Let me guess...

1. Some rambling back and forth about sound quality
2. Someone doing some null tests
3. Differences still heard
4. Long and the short of it:  Pan Laws or Interleaving?

I think I summed it up quite nicely. Saves another 20+ pages of fred.

Can I have my becan now? 

Logic on a Mac through Apogee is incredible sounding...but then so is Sonar through Lynx on a PC...different but pleasant...

Honestly the Logic stuff I have done on an old Powerbook through a duet was amazing...very musical sounding...just did not enjoy the GUI or the menus...the plug-ins were quite good though...

all DAWs do not sound the same!! and if they do, than why not go as far to say that all compression and eq plugins sound the same.

All cars do not drive the same.  All planes do not fly the same.  All vacuum cleaners do not clean the same.  Why is so hard for folk to believe, all daws do not sound the same?

Its not just about, "if you don't use fx."   What mix without fx?  Obviously the way a daw handles these fx is important.  Its not just about having the right audio interface, "its also how the software handles the audio once you've got it in there.

Even the quality of the mixer gui, and how precise your faders and panning can get, has a huge impact on the sound....


Ok..  If you take a sine wave at 440 htz, and record 1000 cycles in Cubase, Sonar, Logic, Pro Tools, Nuendo, Ableton, FLstudio, Reaper, Studio One, etc, etc, etc...   We probably will have a hard time hearing the difference.
To come up with any sort of real study, we would need to conduct a blind testing, of several thousand people.  Musicians, not musicians..  Older people, younger people.  Some would be required to hear the same exact sample as a placebo.  Some would hear different samples...

We would need a study so  large, that something like MIT would have to conduct it.


We are mixing with panning, volume balancing, compression, reverb, and all kinds of stuff.  So why do we keep saying, "all daws sound the same, as long as we go completely out of our way, to make sure not to use any of the features, that will impact the sound, of the sound."

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I wonder if this thread will end up like this gem 

FastBikerBoy


I wonder if this thread will end up like this gem 

erm..  would have been nice of you to link that, before my post above.   thanks then




cheers

Linear Phase


Well I hear a difference!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Ableton = Sounds grey and muddy = bad

Renoise = Sounds dark and dirty = good

Cubase = Sounds clean and happy = acceptable major label

Pro-Tools = Sounds sterile and hospital = acceptable major label, not my fav sound

Logic = Sound pristine = one of the best sounding daws around

Reaper = Sounds good at first, upon further examination is a lot closer to audacity = sounds bad

Sonar = Reminds me of the sound of Logic, and Cubase, does not sound hospitalized like Pro-Tools = Sounds great

Orion, Mulab, Podium, Samplitube = All on the same level = very close to Logic, Cubase, and Sonar.


Studio One...  dunno, never tried it,,,




EDIT = No...  I have no scientific evidence



Edit again =  I just can't help it.  I really do hear a difference.  Maybe it is all psychological....   Too bad Ableton doesn't have support for 64bit yet...  I've been building drum kits for a few hours now, and my ears are used to Renoise and Sonar, cause I rewire...   otherwise, I check out some sounds in Live..  but I can't be bothered...

You are right, they all sound different. Some worse some better.
 
No you don't need to be a scientist to hear this. You only need to use your ears, great AD converters + nice studio monitors.
If you want proof there are is out on the Internet. Do a Search! There are sites that have made scientist analyze of the different DAW audio engines that show the different audio frequency respond spectrum.
 
 

 

 
 

We all have Butt-Holes, so why not fart out of them every now and themCj

Ol' CJs got a way with words don't he?! 

    anyone still thinks Pro Tools are that great?  


Dunno, but I like the colors 

I have used many different daws and what I notice is that I write music differently in all of them. In reason I find myself programming sounds that I want to hear. In fruity loops I find that I am using a lot of their instruments and sounds. When I write in sonar I use everything and really have no problems. However, I do feel with sonar you do have to have the best computer and processor in order to not have major issues. 

aleef


Bitbridge and Jbridge on any given day,may not render consistently in 64bit, with 32bit plugs. and the best plugs are still 32bit.
after nearly 2yrs, im back to 32 for that reason. like i said X1 is the better value, and it is more stable on the windows platform, and everything works...and i can go on and on. X1 is a great DAW. But there is a difference in sound between the two, and its not subtle its obvious. for some reason my programs and plugs respond more agressively in PT. yeah there are a few things PT doesnt do, but the meat and potatos things like tracking, mixing, and editing, it does very well..for someone to say PT sucks and is sterile/hospital sounding is talking out of their ass.

 
Minority of all Professional plugins are still in x32bit, less than 5 %.
 
UAD and Sound Toys are the only last I know of that are still in x32bit versions only. UAD get updated to x64bit this summer so what x32 plugins are you referring too that are so great?

Freddie H
 
UAD get updated to x64bit this summer .......

We hope.

Psychobillybob

...very musical sounding...

Ethan Winer says (in his recent book, The Audio expert) the above statement is impossible to quantify via tried and true audio measurement techniques. Note: that is paraphrased as I cannot be arsed to go to my "library" and verify the exact wording.