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Re: Sonar X4 release date
2014/06/20 03:12:15
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Hi Gents, I found out that CW is to fast for me in delivering a new Sonar version every year.
Imo X3 e is fantastic, no matter for a quick shot.....
If the bakers can manage a x4 version in the x3 quality, go............
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Re: Sonar X4 release date
2014/06/20 09:54:47
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Mosvalve, one thing i can do is vouch for Studio One, it is actually easy peezy after the 'smallest' of learning curves.
LA2A, Working in Studio One isn't so bad. I am starting to get used to it. I suppose one can get used to any DAW but I found Sonar to be very easy to use right off the bat. Everything seems to be laid out in a way that's not confusing to me. I haven't used Cubase since version one so I cannot comment on it. I don't think I even want to put the time in to learn ProTools. There's no benefit as Sonar has me covered.
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Re: Sonar X4 release date
2014/06/20 11:27:29
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Yeah i dig ya, Mosvalve, well said! Sonar is kicking butt, no doubt about it. I've never tried Pro Tools and probably never will, but if it was the only DAW on earth, then i'm sure i could probably make peace with it somehow. I wait with anticipation for Sonar X4. I think maybe we're actually spoilt these days, at least 3 top-tier DAWs doing things the right way (contrary to what some might believe, IMO there is a right and a wrong way to do everything, 90% of the time); anyway, i reckon it's good to have so many DAW options these days, better than struggling to find options, like in the past. As far as i can remember, ten years ago up till about two years ago music artists were moving back and forward like a drunken sailor between DAWs, looking for the ideal feature/plugin/interface combination, but i reckon we have a good state of affairs now, at least three DAWs have nailed it, the zenith is approaching steadily. Lock me away in a room for ten years with the 'perfect' DAW plus 'accurate' loud monitors, and i'm happy; trouble is i still can't find the perfect DAW, i am yet to find perfection anywhere on planet earth, so i'll still be needing those StarBucks coffees down the road and fresh air for a while yet LOL.
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Re: Sonar X4 release date
2014/06/20 12:14:49
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Re: Sonar X4 release date
2014/06/20 12:53:04
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Most people, including off world furry aliens from far far far away, seem pleased with X3's stability and Cakewalk's dedication to making it more so. There's always a balance that needs to be struck between not ignoring the past while preparing for the future; I think Cakewalk is doing a very good job of walking that fine line, but wouldn't expect everyone to agree.
I understand the reasons it is just sometimes the plastic can feel a little stretched.  PS Interesting article in SoS this month "Using take lanes as layers"  PPS Thanks Alex, I have noticed that often these sorts of problems are down to implementation of the "Rules" shall we say and I believe that the Bakers probably implement them to the letter otherwise there would be more problems. I actually think it has to do with the E-licencing than anything else. But then I have been proved wrong before and am not afraid to say so.
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Re: Sonar X4 release date
2014/06/20 13:48:35
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PS Interesting article in SoS this month "Using take lanes as layers" As long as this forum exists, I'll never have to worry about coming up with article topics involving Sonar!
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Re: Sonar X4 release date
2014/06/20 18:12:00
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backwoods
When it does happen I hope they have a more download friendly method in place. None of this download 8 gigs nonsense. Maybe set it up so that we can download the core program, the vsts, the vstis, the sound libraries in separate tranches. May not be possible on steam but the current method is not good enough for a lot of people.
I know some other companies do this as well, but I'd be interested in hearing more how you think it should work. Personally I really like how Native Instruments and XLN Audio install and manage their products. It's not always perfect, but it does make getting updates easy. Geographically we've heard reports of bad download performance in Australia in the past, this situation has improved drastically in the last two years as our CDN provider added locations in Singapore and Australia. If you had a slow download or generally a slower connection - what file size do you feel is more reasonable if the installer was broken into multiple parts?
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Re: Sonar X4 release date
2014/06/20 18:29:14
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I agree with you Willy. I like how XLN does it. If XLN offered the ability to download an offline installer as well for each product (like NI) that would be optimal.
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backwoods
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Re: Sonar X4 release date
2014/06/20 19:13:56
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backwoods
When it does happen I hope they have a more download friendly method in place. None of this download 8 gigs nonsense. Maybe set it up so that we can download the core program, the vsts, the vstis, the sound libraries in separate tranches. May not be possible on steam but the current method is not good enough for a lot of people.
I know some other companies do this as well, but I'd be interested in hearing more how you think it should work. Personally I really like how Native Instruments and XLN Audio install and manage their products. It's not always perfect, but it does make getting updates easy.
Geographically we've heard reports of bad download performance in Australia in the past, this situation has improved drastically in the last two years as our CDN provider added locations in Singapore and Australia. If you had a slow download or generally a slower connection - what file size do you feel is more reasonable if the installer was broken into multiple parts?
Actually willy, my files downloaded fine last time ( both from here and from steam). But I don't really use any of the sonar vsts, vstis, apart from pro channel. I don't use any of the demos or loops. I probably use a half a gig of the 8 gigs I download. As for companies that I feel do it right. Well, I don't wish to name competitors but Studio One has the sort of method I would like to see here. Native Instruments is very good too.
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Re: Sonar X4 release date
2014/06/20 20:08:23
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Does Sonar work on other planets? Just trying to plan.
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Re: Sonar X4 release date
2014/06/20 20:36:23
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Does Sonar work on other planets? Just trying to plan.
It works on Mars...not sure about the other planets. However, download before leaving earth...the internet goes out just about every time there's a dust storm.
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Re: Sonar X4 release date
2014/06/21 00:07:06
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I want a CW, all products, download manager that connects to my store account, included with every CW product.
Listing what, installed on a computer, has been purchased, when, price, downloaded, serial numbers, and status (eg: registered).
The original downloaded files to be saved in a folder on the root OS "disk." NOT IN A BURIED HIDDEN FOLDER!!!!
I agree about the use of smaller, categorically grouped, files.
Core program, direct x, vst, vsti, samples, tutorials, sample projects, other, extras.
Maybe some as smaller groups: Sonitus, Channel Strips, 3rd party instruments, 3rd party effects,... individual effects, pro-channel modules,... Included with version, purchased separately.
I have 2 codes for Dimension pro, Rapture, Zeta. Would be nice to quickly know which is installed on a particular computer.
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Re: Sonar X4 release date
2014/06/21 00:14:34
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I think they are going to add the ability to use Sonar to help you find fish and if your luck enough to own one, you should be able to steer your sub through some very murky water.
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Re: Sonar X4 release date
2014/06/21 16:20:17
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deswind
Does Sonar work on other planets? Just trying to plan.
Have you tried visiting www.cakewalk.com via Eve Online's in-game browser ?
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Re: Sonar X4 release date
2014/06/21 16:25:06
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jm24
I want a CW, all products, download manager that connects to my store account, included with every CW product.
Listing what, installed on a computer, has been purchased, when, price, downloaded, serial numbers, and status (eg: registered).
The original downloaded files to be saved in a folder on the root OS "disk." NOT IN A BURIED HIDDEN FOLDER!!!!
I agree about the use of smaller, categorically grouped, files.
Core program, direct x, vst, vsti, samples, tutorials, sample projects, other, extras.
Maybe some as smaller groups: Sonitus, Channel Strips, 3rd party instruments, 3rd party effects,... individual effects, pro-channel modules,... Included with version, purchased separately.
I have 2 codes for Dimension pro, Rapture, Zeta. Would be nice to quickly know which is installed on a particular computer.
This is great feedback - thanks a ton. One question RE: downloaded files - is it important that you're able to specify where to download the files? (I would think so but just confirming). Also do you envision an option to delete the download files after installation automatically or should that be left up to you/the user to decide when and if to delete the downloaded files? I could see the benefits of not deleting so if you needed to re-install but it should also be easy to reclaim hd space.
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Re: Sonar X4 release date
2014/06/21 16:31:11
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Oh goodness... please don't emulate NI or XLN for their DL/Authorization models. They are good companies but that crap is annoying. I like the current Sonar download method. If anything just make it so the core program is one download package then have the other goodies in their own bundles. No weird clients or specialized download programs. I had a heck of a time getting Addictive Drums installed because a) I do not use IE and b) I keep all my Windows security settings maxed out wherever possible.
I had to contact XLN and disable a ton of stuff to get it to work. NI was a little less problematic but still extremely annoying.
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Re: Sonar X4 release date
2014/06/21 16:31:12
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I would hope the ability to keep a local copy of the installers will always an option.
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Re: Sonar X4 release date
2014/06/21 16:44:28
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Oh goodness... please don't emulate NI or XLN for their DL/Authorization models. They are good companies but that crap is annoying.
Totally agree. NI has always been a PITA for me and XLN's policy of online authorisation only in future has only served to ensure that I won't be buying anything new from them.
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Re: Sonar X4 release date
2014/06/21 16:52:51
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scook
I would hope the ability to keep a local copy of the installers will always an option.
Yes. Definitely. I am currently online, have been for quite a few years now and hope to continue to be but I spent a large part of my life without an internet connection due to finances and really having better things to do. If I end up in a situation where I am not able to connect but need to install my bought and paid for software for whatever reason I will not be amused. That would be like having to pay a monthly bill just in case I need to change the strings on my guitar. It ain't right.
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Re: Sonar X4 release date
2014/06/21 18:28:34
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Thanks for the responses it's interesting to hear everybody's perspectives/thoughts/feelings. To be clear I'm not talking about authorization, just downloading and delivery.
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Re: Sonar X4 release date
2014/06/21 20:22:11
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Place me in with the others. I like it just as it is.
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backwoods
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Re: Sonar X4 release date
2014/06/21 20:28:10
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John, you're like a drunk guy walking around with his head in a sack if you think the current method is as good as it gets.
I have been doing the DAW thing for a decade now and have a full set of high class plugins. I don't need addictive drums or dim pro or any cake plugs apart from pro channel and channel tools. I don't need demos and manifold superfluous loops and one-hits.
Make the core program available ( like reaper, as a tiny download), and make all the extras available as optional downloads.
Please....
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Re: Sonar X4 release date
2014/06/21 20:33:33
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Central authorisation works. Just one user account and password. File path can always be customised one hopes. ISO (like NI) has a massive disadvantage because it gets blocked by virus scanners when attempting to mount. An offline install package is worthwhile but when installing online, automating it so they all run off the same parameter without having to enter the same info again and again like XLN does (NI often fails here) is worthwhile. Plus of course integtated store apps are cool and is a great business model.... And integrated updates rule. If people want business as usual they can just install the downloaded packages offline away from a central management interface just like NI offers. But they will soon realise the advantages....Cheers
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Re: Sonar X4 release date
2014/06/21 21:21:28
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backwoods
John, you're like a drunk guy walking around with his head in a sack if you think the current method is as good as it gets.
I have been doing the DAW thing for a decade now and have a full set of high class plugins. I don't need addictive drums or dim pro or any cake plugs apart from pro channel and channel tools. I don't need demos and manifold superfluous loops and one-hits.
Make the core program available ( like reaper, as a tiny download), and make all the extras available as optional downloads.
Please....
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Re: Sonar X4 release date
2014/06/21 21:24:24
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Yup please lay off my mate John :)
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jm24
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Re: Sonar X4 release date
2014/06/21 21:40:31
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I am not suggesting an authorization manager.
I want a download manager that indicates
what I have purchased, and install numbers as required
what has been downloaded, and if the files are in the local designated download folder
what has been installed, version
list of any updates available for the downloaded/installed programs, plugs, extras
And I want smaller files, grouped by category.
I already have the majority of stuff that comes with Sonar. For me, if it is not an update I do not need again.
And therefore I want, a greatly improved installation process that provides for identifying ALL folder paths for ALL settings, presets, samples, programs,......
Nothing a user can modify should ever be saved to a location that is not part of any backup software's default settings. When I save a preset it should be saved, by Sonar defaults, in an appropriate folder in the documents folder so my backup software will automatically include it.
(This folder should be selectable. But it should by default be in the Docs folder.)
The user should never be allowed to save anything to any folder in the "program files" folders, nor in the user\appdata folder. These folders are NOT quickly and easily accessible. Some are hidden.
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Re: Sonar X4 release date
2014/06/22 01:11:29
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I would be willing to bet Cakewalk finds the specificity of your post very helpful.
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Re: Sonar X4 release date
2014/06/22 02:19:10
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My only issue is I'm using the g4 cell network because I'm rural and have no other option other than very pricey satellite internet. So I pay $10 per Gig. I'm sure there's a few others out there as well. Not everyone in the world has access to unlimited bandwidth.
Sure I could wait a few months and pick up Sonar when I go to the big city,,, but wait, last time I was in Vancouver nobody had X3 in stock yet. I could order the box on line too, but I pay about $14 shipping for that size a parcel.
So think of all your customers who really do need to download to stay up to date and be kind to them as far as bandwith goes. And please do something about the way the updates are presented.
I waited until I had access to unlimited bandwith to download X3 which went smoothly. But I get home and find out there was an update!??
I was pizzed thinking that the original version I downloaded SHOULD have been the latest version. Why is this like this?
Why was the update over 4 Gigs?? It cost me $40.
Fine for those who have 120 Gigs a month bandwidth..
Anyhow, just my feedback on my experience.
Otherwise I'm happy and will carry on with what I have. I for one am not interested in X4, 5 or 6. But I'll buy X7 as X3 won't run on Windows 12.3. 128 bit.
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LA2A
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Re: Sonar X4 release date
2014/06/22 04:29:02
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Here's a snapshot of the available separate downloads as listed in the section of the Studio One accounts at Presonus: Acoustic Drum Kits and Loops Electronic Audioloops Electronic Kits and Musicloops Nine Volt Audio Guitars Studio One Electric Pianos and Organs Studio One Expansion Studio One FX Studio One Impulse Responses Studio One Instruments Volume 1 Studio One Instruments Volume 2 Studio One Musicloops Studio One Piano Synth Session Soundset Ueberschall Impact Drums Vengeance-Sound Vintage Keys Voodoo One Synth Soundset Third Party Product Keys Third Party Product Keys
Komplete Elements
Melodyne Essential
I reckon this is a good way to do things, but obviously continue to make any download automatically install to the same place they would if we were installing from the disks from the retail box.
Having the extra option to download and install any part we wish separately is good sense in my books. But having the original installation disks from the retail box is still essential too IMO.
On other matters I hate the way NI and IK Multimedia enforce that stupid authorization manager, i don't buy any NI or IK Multimedia plugins purely because of this, i find authorization managers absolutely 'sickening', i can't stand them.
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Re: Sonar X4 release date
2014/06/22 04:29:10
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oops! Double post! Two things in this Cakewalk forum compared to other forums. It is not immediately obvious how to delete an accidental double-post, secondly the quote functions seem a bit elusive to me, although i haven't tried very hard, i still can't figure it out!!!!!
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