Nah - I still prefer to think of you as an utter twat so no apology !

ORIGINAL: vomit2

But I don't know if she's telling me the truth or not, she doesn't have a lot of exsprance!

ORIGINAL: steve austin

LogicPro8 can expect to be practically "bug free" within one or two updates because currently intel users are nothing but praising Logic8 for its stability and new streamlined interface as well as being optimised for quad core processors etc.

the amount of problems PC users have to deal with when starting out with a new PC are not what i want to run into, because some users in here have taken months and even years to get things running properly and then they lock their setup out of any more updates to avoid the inevitable problems an update brings.

ORIGINAL: steve austin
the current Emagic(ohh dirty word in here i know!)Logicpro6 and soon to be replaced pro7 with ALL emagics plugins bundled as standard is just going to be to good to resist,esspecially with the recent price slash,and the price of macs plummiting and the hassle free,highly refined,ease of use, streamlined OSX.

ORIGINAL: steve austin
Akshara says;
Dreamstation is no slouch. Neither is the Edirol. And then Project 5 can be had for a song these days, which integrates well with Sonar.

-the dreamstation may be adequate(which is hardly good enough these days!) in A FEW ways,but i assure you it does not match the logic ES2,or ES1 for that matter(you want analog!?check this one out) and project5 costs $795 in australia which would be on top of sonars $1195 making that combo the same price as logicpro6 $1995:
Akshsra says;
Um... yeah it does. There's Cyclone, which is a very capable Groovesampler clone; and Vsampler is as serious as any hardware sampler I've ever come across. And there's a manual now, btw.

-the upcoming ultrabeat(which will be bundled with the next update of logic)is a high end DEDICATED drum/percussion/synth/ sampler allowing twenty five different sound TYPES with dedicated sound shaping SPECIFIC PARAMETERS FOR EACH TYPE,utilising synthesis,component modelling and samples or any combination in between,as well as project5 type grid sequencing being intergrated,i would say that makes ultrabeat godzilla,leaving cyclone as a simplistic apprentice,plus Logics about to implement acid style looping AND the NEW apple loops format into it's app,gosh this just keeps getting better,as well as the new Sculpture(is it's name) component modelling synth(lethal specialised pads and the like, or bowed string emulations,whatever takes your fancy) and a ducks nuts high end amp modeler... WHOOOA all included! and the V sampler is not as streamlined as or as quick to use as EXS24II: now if well just move on to the next cheap comeback the sooner i can get outta here...

Akshara says;
Sure I could... depending on their skill, one can do all the mastering that they need with the included Sonitus Multiband and EQ.

-oh really now! well to quote paul white(chief and editor of sound-on-sound magazine) "although the virtual mastering proccessor iv'e described use's only logics own plug ins, i've found it is capable of delivering EXTREMELY GOOD RESULTS! strong words coming from a man whose heard it all and whose position can't afford him to exagerate too often OR over generalise just because other apps might sound capable or in the ballpark, and where the hell is your specialised Adaptive limiter,pro performing exciter, subass sculpturing and world class(as stated by the best masterers in the business) POW dithering??? go with that sonitus couple obi wan and hope like heck you don't have to SPEND more money!?

Akshara says;
hehe... haven't spent much time actually working over in OSX DAW land recently, have you?

-yes and it's friggen unbelievable how streamlined,HASSLE FREE and a joy to use this apple OS is(it's called PANTHER10.3.3 by the way) esspecially with so much classy software included as standard.1ms latency with built in audio card. such are the privilages of a hardware company owning the software provided.the proccesor efficiency of Logic is so good that a reasonably cheap(what with the recent price drops and all)mac will kick along nicely, OSX was designed for PRO music applications in mind,not just for office applications or extranuous paraphanallia:
Akshsra says;
And the Fantom would blow the Emacs doors off as a creative tool. Paired with a Roland VS-2480, the Emac would cower in terror. You've never actually owned an Emac, have you?

-i think you just like to try and make people cower in terror but the real grim reaper would have a few things to say about that. In australia a fantomX6 and VS2480 retail for a combined price of $15000, in contrast to an appropriate speed Emac and Logicpro6 which would cost a measly $3299(which i'm on my way down after this to place my dollars on the counter after an extensive demo from the dude at the local muso store) and after playing around quite exstensively with the roland fantomx (having been a hardware head for years!) i soon realised it's just another workstation with no equivalent for a ES2, ES1,or ultrabeat percussion synth, and that it's samples plus synthesis engine sounds no better nor is it more capable than the mighty EXS24II,thats before mentioning the tonne of other fully usable high end synths that come bundled with Logic pro6,bit of a price difference, opps i mean great divide there, especially for the old archaic way of the roland combination, extra AD/DA issues,wordclock issues,level matching issues,balanced/unbalanced issues, truncation and rounding error issues(all technically speaking of course)because the Fantom only has four outputs so things have to be recorded and rerecorded,and portability issues and a host of other things which all add up:

QUALITY-PERFORMANCE PLUS-STABILITY-RELIABILTY-EXCELLENT thats EXCELLENT PRICE
Akshara says;
All of this is a currently possible reality, regardless of whether you choose PC, Mac, or a dedicated hardware solution... for between $5k to $10K.

-yeah but it's messier and more exspensive on a PC (i'd dare to say twice as expensive and twice as messy actually,quite a bit more to deal with huh!seeing as computers are not the most ideal way to make music in the first place despite it's huge advantages.when faced with a PC scenario and the aforementioned issues about cakewalks current state of user informing and bug/functionality,and lack of high end inclusions. Yes, points to the sonitus pack but that doesn't make up for it in my mind: no offence cakewalk,hey but this is just how it is.(the last eight words of this sentence have been left for akshars quote response!) hehehe as some would put it!

ORIGINAL: steve austin
Over on the Mac side of things, LogicPro8 has just been released and it is 99% stable and bug free "ON RELEASE" and the new Leopard OS will be released this friday and it will give no such problems as Vista does, plus it will actually give a 35% increase in performance because Leopard has been totally optimised for intel multicore processors and it runs 32bit and 64bit applications simultaneously without any need for a so called bit bridge that cakewalk uses.
I would have loved to jump on board with Sonar7 because it looked like a very good DAW with all its new plugs etc but Logic Pro8 has just lowered its price from $999 to $499 which makes it irresistable esspecially when i know the Mac platform and OS is so elegant and stable and i don't have to make adjustments to the OS to get it working efficiently because it automatically optimises itself when you open Logic Pro, and also i don't have to worry about other issues like drivers, bios, and certain obscure settings, but rather just load up and go.by the time LogicPro has its first update it will be100% bug free or as close as you could expect from any DAW.
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ORIGINAL: Rev. Jem

steve austin = David_C = RockinRoll

Too easy.

Mac haters ? No. Dork haters ? I think so.

ORIGINAL: David_C
I didn't mean to insinuate that every here was wrong for their comments, I just thought we're above petty "don't let the door hit your a$$ on the way out" responses. It seems obvious form his posts that he's a Mac fan although my only question is why not hang around the Logic forum and find more about that or the Steinbergh forum and investigate that DAW as opposed to a Cakewalk forum where you know there's no direct Mac support (aside from Parallels/Boot Camp running Windows XP).

Anyhow, if you see me as a dork, I guess I cannot do anything about that.

their head up their backside