steve austin 
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Sonar7 just not good enough, sorry guys bye bye
Sorry to say, but i am a hardware musician looking to move to a DAW and all i see in this forum is nothing but problems problems problems with Sonar7 not to mention Vista. how dare cakewalk advertise S7 as the ducks nuts and 64bit and all that crap when it is far from being stable and efficient. Over on the Mac side of things, LogicPro8 has just been released and it is 99% stable and bug free "ON RELEASE" and the new Leopard OS will be released this friday and it will give no such problems as Vista does, plus it will actually give a 35% increase in performance because Leopard has been totally optimised for intel multicore processors and it runs 32bit and 64bit applications simultaneously without any need for a so called bit bridge that cakewalk uses. I would have loved to jump on board with Sonar7 because it looked like a very good DAW with all its new plugs etc but Logic Pro8 has just lowered its price from $999 to $499 which makes it irresistable esspecially when i know the Mac platform and OS is so elegant and stable and i don't have to make adjustments to the OS to get it working efficiently because it automatically optimises itself when you open Logic Pro, and also i don't have to worry about other issues like drivers, bios, and certain obscure settings, but rather just load up and go.by the time LogicPro has its first update it will be100% bug free or as close as you could expect from any DAW. There is just too many problems and inconsistencies going on with the PC and vista and Sonar for me to even consider hoping on board. This is mainly cakewalks fault as they have the programmers and resourses to deal with this but alas what a mess they leave us in and they are so slow to do anything about it or come forth and admit things and openly discuss it. the only plugs that i would like to have in Logic when i buy it, is the V-vocal and the full version of the Rapture synth,well V-vocal is Sonar only so i miss out there but rapture is available as an audio unit for Mac so i will definitely get that, otherwise Logic Pro has more than i need to get the job done, as well as it's included mastering plugs which are truly world class and have been redesigned for the Pro8 version. The PC side of things from what i can see is nothing but hassles and i would rather be making music than trying to sort out UNECCESSARY problems all day long. nothing against you guys as i just want you to know that i wanted to join the SONAR crew(as in you lot) but cakewalk can't seem to get their **** sorted out and thats simply not good enough...  
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2007/10/24 01:42:35
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Bye....
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2007/10/24 02:28:56
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ORIGINAL: steve austin
Sorry to say, but i am a hardware musician looking to move to a DAW and all i see in this forum is nothing but problems problems problems with Sonar7 not to mention Vista.
how dare cakewalk advertise S7 as the ducks nuts and 64bit and all that crap when it is far from being stable and efficient.
Over on the Mac side of things, LogicPro8 has just been released and it is 99% stable and bug free "ON RELEASE" and the new Leopard OS will be released this friday and it will give no such problems as Vista does, plus it will actually give a 35% increase in performance because Leopard has been totally optimised for intel multicore processors and it runs 32bit and 64bit applications simultaneously without any need for a so called bit bridge that cakewalk uses.
I would have loved to jump on board with Sonar7 because it looked like a very good DAW with all its new plugs etc but Logic Pro8 has just lowered its price from $999 to $499 which makes it irresistable esspecially when i know the Mac platform and OS is so elegant and stable and i don't have to make adjustments to the OS to get it working efficiently because it automatically optimises itself when you open Logic Pro, and also i don't have to worry about other issues like drivers, bios, and certain obscure settings, but rather just load up and go.by the time LogicPro has its first update it will be100% bug free or as close as you could expect from any DAW.
There is just too many problems and inconsistencies going on with the PC and vista and Sonar for me to even consider hoping on board.
This is mainly cakewalks fault as they have the programmers and resourses to deal with this but alas what a mess they leave us in and they are so slow to do anything about it or come forth and admit things and openly discuss it.
the only plugs that i would like to have in Logic when i buy it, is the V-vocal and the full version of the Rapture synth,well V-vocal is Sonar only so i miss out there but rapture is available as an audio unit for Mac so i will definitely get that, otherwise Logic Pro has more than i need to get the job done, as well as it's included mastering plugs which are truly world class and have been redesigned for the Pro8 version.
The PC side of things from what i can see is nothing but hassles and i would rather be making music than trying to sort out UNECCESSARY problems all day long.
nothing against you guys as i just want you to know that i wanted to join the SONAR crew(as in you lot) but cakewalk can't seem to get their **** sorted out and thats simply not good enough...
You must be trolling for laughs yes? You read the forum and decide how good Sonar is by inspection? Sounds like you don't know squat about PCs either. Then you claim Logic is 99% stable? You measured this with what? And you tell us how stable an unreleased OS will be, that you are sure its so much better before you have tried it? Don't quit your dayjob, detective. You and your assumptions definitely belong on a mac. Not to mention no one could give a crap what you decide, but you waste forum space to tell us your lame conclusions. I figure we are lucky you aren't staying, as yours was the most annoying, least intelligent post I read in weeks. EDIT: For spelling. D.
post edited by cornieleous - 2007/10/24 02:49:33
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RE: Sonar7 just not good enough, sorry guys bye bye
2007/10/24 02:34:31
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ORIGINAL: steve austin
Sorry to say, but i am a hardware musician looking to move to a DAW and all i see in this forum is nothing but problems problems problems with Sonar7 not to mention Vista.
how dare cakewalk advertise S7 as the ducks nuts and 64bit and all that crap when it is far from being stable and efficient.
Over on the Mac side of things, LogicPro8 has just been released and it is 99% stable and bug free "ON RELEASE" and the new Leopard OS will be released this friday and it will give no such problems as Vista does, plus it will actually give a 35% increase in performance because Leopard has been totally optimised for intel multicore processors and it runs 32bit and 64bit applications simultaneously without any need for a so called bit bridge that cakewalk uses.
I would have loved to jump on board with Sonar7 because it looked like a very good DAW with all its new plugs etc but Logic Pro8 has just lowered its price from $999 to $499 which makes it irresistable esspecially when i know the Mac platform and OS is so elegant and stable and i don't have to make adjustments to the OS to get it working efficiently because it automatically optimises itself when you open Logic Pro, and also i don't have to worry about other issues like drivers, bios, and certain obscure settings, but rather just load up and go.by the time LogicPro has its first update it will be100% bug free or as close as you could expect from any DAW.
There is just too many problems and inconsistencies going on with the PC and vista and Sonar for me to even consider hoping on board.
This is mainly cakewalks fault as they have the programmers and resourses to deal with this but alas what a mess they leave us in and they are so slow to do anything about it or come forth and admit things and openly discuss it.
the only plugs that i would like to have in Logic when i buy it, is the V-vocal and the full version of the Rapture synth,well V-vocal is Sonar only so i miss out there but rapture is available as an audio unit for Mac so i will definitely get that, otherwise Logic Pro has more than i need to get the job done, as well as it's included mastering plugs which are truly world class and have been redesigned for the Pro8 version.
The PC side of things from what i can see is nothing but hassles and i would rather be making music than trying to sort out UNECCESSARY problems all day long.
nothing against you guys as i just want you to know that i wanted to join the SONAR crew(as in you lot) but cakewalk can't seem to get their **** sorted out and thats simply not good enough...
sorry, i just wet my pants  multiple times. Have FUN on logic. I was a logic devotee for years. Enjoy your core audio overloads on mac and corrupted projects that will have you pulling your hair out, and a simple quicktime update that will break half your plugins. Whatever.
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RE: Sonar7 just not good enough, sorry guys bye bye
2007/10/24 02:36:15
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Bummer dude! How about a test drive, kick the tires a little, maybe try the demo out? Nothing? Just like that? If the other side of the fence were that good we would all be there.
Good Luck!
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2007/10/24 02:41:51
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+1 Bye.... itls like mama said : on mouth less... more food for us!.
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2007/10/24 02:47:07
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This must have been a Six Million Dollar Decision.
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RE: Sonar7 just not good enough, sorry guys bye bye
2007/10/24 02:51:39
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ORIGINAL: steve austin
i know the Mac platform and OS is so elegant and stable and i don't have to make adjustments to the OS to get it working efficiently because it automatically optimises itself when you open Logic Pro Yes, it's magical. Magically delicious. It's like a frosty breakfast cereal. With a toy surprise inside. There is just too many problems and inconsistencies going on with the PC and vista and Sonar for me to even consider hoping on board. and... they leave us in and they are so slow to do anything about it or come forth and admit things and openly discuss it. Who's this "us" business? I thought you wouldn't "even consider hoping on board" SONAR7 on Windows, yet you have some sort of special precognitive insight into the instability of PC-based DAWs and somehow know for a fact that Cakewalk is "slow to do anything about" imaginary problems that you haven't experienced yet? So have you "hoped on board" yet, or not? Geez... gimme some of whatever it is you're smoking. I wanna live in your reality... just to see what it's like. BTW, I counted no fewer than 7 references to Logic Pro8 in your post. Looks like your mind is made up. See you in 4 years when Apple decides to do something radical like focus on iGadgets and totally neglect apps like Logic for years on end, or maybe just switch to some entirely different hardware platform causing them to rewrite everything from scratch...
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Mark D.
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RE: Sonar7 just not good enough, sorry guys bye bye
2007/10/24 02:59:15
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This is why I still have XP Pro...and won't upgrade to Vista until Service Pack 1 or 2. And the same for version 7 of Sonar. Not until 7.1 or 7.2. I'm so stable with the 2 year old Sonar I use in XP now. Plus, I've used PC's most of my life and though I don't dislike Macs and know their advantages, his rant is selective to the good aspects. It falls short on many things that PCs do better than Macs as well. We wish software after beta would be perfect, that's a pipe dream. But if this person is a Mac person by nature, I can't imagine he'd like Sonar anyway being that it's just so darned "PC".
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RE: Sonar7 just not good enough, sorry guys bye bye
2007/10/24 03:05:19
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Well, there's the Apple marketing machine at work, and still doing a fine job I might add. It's simply AMAZING to me that there are people who actually believe that the Apple computer platform is so much more stable, easier to use, and trouble-free compared to the PC platform. I guess if you tell somebody something often enough, whether it's true or not, they'll eventually believe it. This is not a Mac vs PC issue or Sonar vs Logic issue, all are fine products -- it's a Truth vs Reality issue.
I've had the good fortune and pleasure to work with numerous professional musicians, producers, composers, and recording engineers who MAKE THEIR LIVING every day using computers and digital audio applications (I've even switched a few Mac users to the PC, but that's another story). Here's the bottom line and the absolute truth as I've come to know it:
Apple users have just as many problems as PC users.
Modern computers and operating systems are extremely complex (as users demand more and more features), with nearly countless hardware and software options that constitute a practically infinite number of combinations -- there's going to be problems. But the better hardware and software manufacturers (such as Cakewalk) will listen and work through those issues in a timely and professional manner, ultimately providing all of us with fantastic tools for creating music.
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Lanceindastudio
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RE: Sonar7 just not good enough, sorry guys bye bye
2007/10/24 03:06:14
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Ha! Logic just wrote their entire program over because they NEEDED to. Cakewalk doesnt need to write the program over because they have built it carefully since day one. Cakewalk fixes things quickly instead of NOT fixing anything and ACTING like everything is perfect. I used to work with somebody on a mac with cubase. It crashed ALL the time. My daw is way more stable. Still, anybody that wants a chance at a good recording studio computer setup has to learn their tool, mac or pc. They are both fine tools. Its NOT the tool, its the USER. All programs have things that need to be improved. Cakewalk Made SONAR for musicians by musicians. Good luck with Logic, but after a complete rewrite, Im sure you will have more bugs with it. Thats why they lowered the price so much silly.
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2007/10/24 03:07:30
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ORIGINAL: Mark D.
his rant is selective to the good aspects. It's a thinly velied platform trolling. To sum up: Macs are stable and Logic is 100% bug free, while PCs are unstable and SONAR is buggy. And yet, he's a admitted "hardware musician" with no DAW experience... so where do these conclusions come from? I can only imagine a.) he's being paid to throw troll bait on the forum, b.) he's been reading too much "marketing literature", if you know what I mean, or c.) he's just talking out his @ss 'cuz it's the day before the World Series and he's bored. Take your pick.
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2007/10/24 03:34:26
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Guys! He says he wants to leave, why contend with him?
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2007/10/24 04:02:39
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How come this character has managed to attain bronze status in a Sonar forum when, in his first line, he admits to not owning a DAW?
I wonder what sort of havoc he creates over on the Logic forums.
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2007/10/24 04:13:08
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All I can say is wow I want some of his psychotropic meds because he has had plenty of them for one day :-)
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2007/10/24 04:16:41
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Apple users have just as many problems as PC users. This is absolutely 100% true... I've setup/supported both Macs and PCs. Neither is more prone to problems than the other. The key is the person who's setting up the machine/s. * Vista's problems/limitations are in no way Cakewalk's (or any other audio software company) fault or responsibility. * WinXP runs great in the here/now * Remember hearing that the G5 was the, "fastest computer ever"? (if you used one... you know this isn't true - rather maketing bo-jive) The 35% increase (across the board) is likely inflated market-speak as well... * Folks come to this forum for support. Of course you're going to see problems/issues discussed here. I've used every DAW app that exists... and the one thing they all have in common is that they're all imperfect. Logic is no exception * A fair bit of the problems reported here are the result of inexperience or pilot error. ie: Running a Firewire audio interface with a non-TI chipset Firewire controller. Once the end-user has the knowledge/solution... the problem is gone. My Sonar v7 experience is nothing like the situation the OP describes.
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RE: Sonar7 just not good enough, sorry guys bye bye
2007/10/24 04:25:48
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Hello Steve,
I don't know you so I took the trouble to read through your last 50 or so posts and here are my conclusions:
Seems like your whole history on this forum is one of creating dissension. From reading many of your posts it looks like you've never actually used any Cakewalk software, Only used the forum members as punching bags for your drivel. and preaching the Mac superiority ever since. So why have oyu wasted the last 3 1/2 years on us poor PC losers?
Glad to see you going. Oh hang on you were never really here.
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2007/10/24 04:37:29
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LogicPro8 has just been released and it is 99% stable and bug free "ON RELEASE"
WHAT?!?  Such an idiot!
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2007/10/24 05:02:51
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Steve is your real name AXE?
I think it may be
I read a great quote this morning, it was something along the lines of
"For a computer to work without any problems its functionality can only satisfy idiots"
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2007/10/24 05:53:21
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ORIGINAL: keith
ORIGINAL: steve austin
i know the Mac platform and OS is so elegant and stable and i don't have to make adjustments to the OS to get it working efficiently because it automatically optimises itself when you open Logic Pro
Yes, it's magical. Magically delicious. It's like a frosty breakfast cereal. With a toy surprise inside. One cleaning bill winging it's way to you sir. Coffee and saliva all over the keyboard.
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2007/10/24 06:17:12
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ORIGINAL: Houndawg
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Modern computers and operating systems are extremely complex (as users demand more and more features), with nearly countless hardware and software options that constitute a practically infinite number of combinations -- there's going to be problems. But the better hardware and software manufacturers (such as Cakewalk) will listen and work through those issues in a timely and professional manner, ultimately providing all of us with fantastic tools for creating music.
Hello there! It´s really disappointing to find such disskusions here too. I expirience the same things in a german FL-Studio forum right now. I agree with Houndawg, that it not really depends on which type of computer you are using. With a good setup you can make good music with both PC an Mac, because the idea of making music starts in your head! Every DAW ist just a tool and everybody has to find the tool that fits perfect to his or her special needs. I´m not angry about people working with DAW´s I personally don´t like, why should I? Should I blame people for liking other things? I think not, because we are free to choose and in the end we might have a good song on CD and nobodies asking, with which software it was made. Greetings from Germany
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RE: Sonar7 just not good enough, sorry guys bye bye
2007/10/24 07:40:26
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ORIGINAL: steve austin
Sorry to say, but i am a hardware musician looking to move to a DAW and all i see in this forum is nothing but problems problems problems with Sonar7 not to mention Vista.
how dare cakewalk advertise S7 as the ducks nuts and 64bit and all that crap when it is far from being stable and efficient.
Over on the Mac side of things, LogicPro8 has just been released and it is 99% stable and bug free "ON RELEASE" and the new Leopard OS will be released this friday and it will give no such problems as Vista does, plus it will actually give a 35% increase in performance because Leopard has been totally optimised for intel multicore processors and it runs 32bit and 64bit applications simultaneously without any need for a so called bit bridge that cakewalk uses.
I would have loved to jump on board with Sonar7 because it looked like a very good DAW with all its new plugs etc but Logic Pro8 has just lowered its price from $999 to $499 which makes it irresistable esspecially when i know the Mac platform and OS is so elegant and stable and i don't have to make adjustments to the OS to get it working efficiently because it automatically optimises itself when you open Logic Pro, and also i don't have to worry about other issues like drivers, bios, and certain obscure settings, but rather just load up and go.by the time LogicPro has its first update it will be100% bug free or as close as you could expect from any DAW.
There is just too many problems and inconsistencies going on with the PC and vista and Sonar for me to even consider hoping on board.
This is mainly cakewalks fault as they have the programmers and resourses to deal with this but alas what a mess they leave us in and they are so slow to do anything about it or come forth and admit things and openly discuss it.
the only plugs that i would like to have in Logic when i buy it, is the V-vocal and the full version of the Rapture synth,well V-vocal is Sonar only so i miss out there but rapture is available as an audio unit for Mac so i will definitely get that, otherwise Logic Pro has more than i need to get the job done, as well as it's included mastering plugs which are truly world class and have been redesigned for the Pro8 version.
The PC side of things from what i can see is nothing but hassles and i would rather be making music than trying to sort out UNECCESSARY problems all day long.
nothing against you guys as i just want you to know that i wanted to join the SONAR crew(as in you lot) but cakewalk can't seem to get their **** sorted out and thats simply not good enough...
Have you even tried using S7 yet? How can you comment on reliablility. You will find that most people will agree that S7 is very stable. Yes, i agree that vista is a problem for some, but XP is still supported and runs perfectly - it does for me anyway. DONT BLAME CAKE FOR SOMETHING THAT IS ENTIRLEY NOT THEIR FAULT. Plus S7 runs better on vista then any other DAW available. Just to let you know, logic still doesnt support more then 2 processing cores so you can hardly claim that logic is more efficient then sonar (which will make maximum use of whatever you throw at it). THerfore buying a macpro with 8 cores is a total waste of money!
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2007/10/24 07:54:25
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I got Logic running on my IPhone yesterday... I'm never looking back.
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2007/10/24 07:55:03
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Bye Bye OP seems to have missed the several thousand users who just do not have the time to browse forums because their having so such fun making music with Sonar X.X.X. Any way new release only weeks old and the bashing has begun same old same old.
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2007/10/24 07:58:41
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I know you're all just acting tough to hide the pain. Let's be honest, every time someone decides not to buy a copy of some software that I quite like, I die a little inside, and I know you all do too.
I'm fighting back the tears, I really am. Somebody hold me.
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CJaysMusic
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RE: Sonar7 just not good enough, sorry guys bye bye
2007/10/24 07:58:53
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What-ever. Whats your motive for telling us this??? My Sonar 7 and Vista have been running without any problems.
Your stupid for making a judgement on reading a forum that is meant for helping other users. what did you expect too see. Ofcourse all your going to see is problems. Duh .
Cj
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John T
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RE: Sonar7 just not good enough, sorry guys bye bye
2007/10/24 08:04:26
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You'd have thought that would be obvious, wouldn't you? I mean, who's going to post a thread saying "Did some recording tonight. Went smoothly."
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CJaysMusic
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RE: Sonar7 just not good enough, sorry guys bye bye
2007/10/24 08:05:12
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Maybe we should keep are session logs here..LOL
Cj
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