!!!!THE 64 BIT CAMPAIGN!!!!

Hey guys!

This thread is all about petitioning for a full 64 bit Sonar 9. I'm not talking about the audio engine and stuff, I'm talking about those synths/plugins that come bundle in Sonar which have yet to make the transition to the 64 bit world. A lot of people are making the transition to a 64 bit system, including myself (my 3rd time actually), and I think it's about time Cakewalk delivered a full fledge 64 bit pacakge. All you have to do is fill out this simple form here:

http://www.cakewalk.com/support/featurerequest.asp


Thanks in advanced for those taking part in this. It's about time we make the transition and what better way than for Cakewalk to once again set the example.


Take care!
.
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Remaining 32 bit plugin/synths in Sonar 8.5:

.
- DropZone
- Dimension LE *
- RXP Player
- Beatscape
- Dreamstation **
- Bit Meter
- Perfect Space
- Vintage Channel (VC-64)
- Old FX Plugin Suite **
- Studioverb 2.0 **

* The full version is 64 bit as shown below under native 64 bit synths. 
** These don't show up in the native 64 bit version of Sonar.


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Here's a list of 3rd party vendors to write to as well:


01- UAD: http://www.uaudio.com/about/contact.html 

02- Celemony: http://www.celemony.com/cms/index.php?id=84

03- XLN: http://www.xlnaudio.com/?page=about

04- IK Multimedia: http://www.ikmultimedia.com/Main.html?ik

05- Waves: http://www.wavesupport.net/content.aspx?id=155

06- Propellerheads (Feature Request Forum): http://www.propellerheads.se/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=7

07- Finale: http://www.finalemusic.com/contacts.aspx

08- Sonnox: http://www.sonnoxplugins.com/pub/plugins/support/sup-home.htm

09- Overloud: http://www.overloud.com/en/support/ --- http://www.overloud.com/en/contacts/

10- PSP Audioware: http://www.pspaudioware.com/indexen.html?url=http://www.pspaudioware.com/support1.html

11- URS: http://www.ursplugins.com/supportmain.html

12- Softube: http://softube.se/index.php?p=support

13- AbbeyRoad Plugins: http://www.abbeyroadplugins.com/support_tech.aspx

14- Brainworx: support@brainworx-music.de --- http://www.brainworx-music.de/




Hint: Write a general request and save it on your computer's desktop so that everytime a new link is added you just copy/paste it.


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List of currently available native 64 bit plugins/synths:
. 

4Front:

- True Pianos

Web: http://www.truepianos.com/

Acousticaudio:
 
- Nebula 3 Pro
- AcquaVox
 
Web: http://www.acustica-audio.com/
 
Applied Acoustics Systems (A|A|S):
 
- Lounge Lizard EP-3
- Lounge Lizard Session
- String Studio VS-1
- Strum Acoustic GS-1
- Strum Acoustic Session
- Tassman
- Ultra Analog Session
- Ultra Analog VA-1
.
Web: http://www.applied-acoustics.com/
 
Audio Damage:
 
- Discord 3
 
Web: http://www.audiodamage.com/
 
Blue Cat Audio:
 
- All Packs (Bundles)
 
Web: http://www.bluecataudio.com/Products/Home/
 
Cakewalk Synths:

- TTS-1
- Cyclone
- Pentagon I
- PSYN II
- Roland GrooveSynth
- Dimension Pro
- Rapture
- Rapture LE
- Z3ta+
- Step Sequencer
- True Pianos Amber
- Guitar Rig LE
- Session Drummer 3.0 (Sonar 8.5)
- SFZ (Sonar 8.5)
- Studio Instruments 
.
Cakewalk Audio Plugins:

- Sonitus Suite
- Lexicon Pantheon
- Amp Sim
- Analyst
- FX2 Tape Sim
- Pitch Shifter
- Tuner
- LP64-EQ
- LP64-Multiband
- TL64-Tube Leveler
- TS64-Transient Shaper
- Channel Tools
- V-Vocal
- Boost 11
- Alias Factor  (Sonar 8.5)
- Classic Phaser (Sonar 8.5)
- Compressor/Gate (Sonar 8.5)
- HF Exciter (Sonar 8.5)
- Modfilter (Sonar 8.5)
- Multivoice Chorus/Flanger (Sonar 8.5)
- Para-Q (Sonar 8.5)
- Tempo Delay (Sonar 8.5)
- PX64 Percussion Strip (Sonar 8.5)
- VX64 Vocal Strip (Sonar 8.5)

Celemony:
 
- Melodyne.
 
Web: http://www.celemony.com/cms/
 
Christian Knufinke:

- SIR2

Web: http://www.knufinke.de/sir/sir2.html
.
Cytomic:
 
- The Glue
 
Web: http://www.cytomic.com/glue
 
EastWest/Quantum Leap:

- ALL PLAY Engine Libraries 

Web: http://www.soundsonline.com/home.php
 
FabFilter:
 
- Pro-Q
- Pro-C
- Pro-L
- Timeless 2
- Twin 2
- Volcano 2
- One
- Simplon
- Micro
 
Web: http://www.fabfilter.com/index.php
 
Garritan:

- ALL Aria Player Libraries

Web: http://www.kvraudio.com/get/2632.html
.
Izotope:

- Ozone
- Trash
- Spectron
- Vinyl
- Alloy
- RX

Web: http://www.izotope.com/ 
 
Lennar Digital:

- Sylenth1 v.2.2

Web: http://www.lennardigital.com/modules/home/ 
 
Liquidsonics:

- Reverberate

Web: http://www.liquidsonics.com/software.htm 
 
LinPlug:
 
- Organ 3
- Cronox X3
- Octapus
- Sax lab
- RMV
- Albino 3
- Element 3
- Alpha 3
 
Web: http://www.linplug.com/
 
Melda Production

- MCompressor
- MEqualizer
- MEqualizerLinearPhase
- MFreeformEqualizer
- MRingModulator
- MAnalyzer
- MPhaser
- MMultibandPhaser 
- MLimiter
- MMultibandLimiter
- MUltraMaximizer
- MWaveShaper
- MAutoPan
- MMultibandAutoPan
- MMultibandDelay
- MVibrato
- MMultibandVibrator
- MTremolo
- MMultibandTremolo
- MStereoExpander
- MStereoProcessor
- MDrummer
- MDynamics
- MMultibandDynamics
- MSpectralDynamics
- MReverb
- MMultibandReverb
- MRingModulator
- MMultibandRingModulator
- MMultibandWaveShaper
.
Web: http://www.meldaproduction.com/freevstplugins/ 
 
Miroslav Vitous:
 
- String Ensembles
 
Web: http://www.timespace.com/product/SECD-1/3/10000004/String%20Ensembles%20-%20Composer's%20Dream.html 
 
Modartt:

- Pianoteq 3.0

Web: http://www.pianoteq.com/try
.
MOTU:

- BPM (Beat Production Machine)

Web: http://www.motu.com/products/software/BPM
 
Native Instruments:

- Guitar Rig 4
- Maschine
- Kontakt 4
- Kontakt Player 3.5
- Absynth 5 
- Battery 3.0.6 
- Massive 1.1.4
- FM8
- Traktor Scratch Pro
- Reaktor 5.5
- Reaktor Prism
- Rammfire
- Reflektor
- Traktor's 12
- Vintage Originals
- Kore Player
.
Web: http://www.native-instruments.com/ 
 
Nomad Factory:
 
- BBE Sonic Sweet
- BBE Stomp Ware
- Blue Tubes Plugins
- All-Tech 9063B EQ
- Analog Mastering Tools
- Pulse-Tech EQs
- Analog Signature Pack
- Retrology Music & Film
- Liquid Bundle
- Essential Studio Suite
 
Web: http://www.nomadfactory.com/index.html 
 
NUSofting:

- daHornet

Web: http://nusofting.liqihsynth.com/freeplugins.html
 
Overloud:
 
- SpringAge
- TH1
- Breverb
- VKFX
- TH1 Triode
 
Web: http://www.overloud.com/index.php
 
PSPaudioware

- PSP sQuad
- PSP Old Timer
- Neon
- Neon HR
- Easy Verb 
- Vintage Warmer 2
- Lexicon PSP84 
.
Web: http://www.pspaudioware.com/indexen.html?url=http://www.pspaudioware.com/plugins/squad.html; 
 
Rob Papen:

- Predator 1.5.5
- Sub Boom Bass
- BLUE
- RP-Verb
- RG
- Morphestra

Web:  http://www.robpapen.com/ 
 
Spectrasonics:

- RMX 1.7
- Trillian (the new Trilogy)
- Omnisphere v1.1

Web: http://www.spectrasonics.net/ 
 
Steinberg:

- HALion
- HALion Symphonic Orchestra
- The Grand

Web: http://www.steinberg.net/en/home.html 
 
Synapse:

- Toxic
- Hydra
- Scorpion
- Plucked String
- Poly-850

Web: http://www.synapse-audio.com/index.php
 
Synthogy:
 
- Ivory Grand Pianos
- Ivory Italian Grand
- Ivory Upright Pianos
 
Web: http://www.synthogy.com/ 
 
TC Electronics:
 
- Powercore (beta drivers)
 
Web: http://www.tcelectronic.com/
 
Toontrack:
 
- Superior Drummer 2.2.2
- EZDrummer 1.2.1
- EZPlayer Pro
- Solo (beta)
- EZMix
 
Web: http://www.toontrack.com/

Vember Audio:

- Surge

Web: http://www.vemberaudio.se/surge.php

Vienna Symphonic Library:

- ALL VSL Libraries
- Vienna Ensemble Pro 
- Vienna Imperial

Web: http://vsl.co.at/en/65/71/84/1050.vsl

Voxengo:

- PHA-979
- Tube Amp (Beta version) free
- Beeper Free
- Crunchessor
- Polysquasher
- Elephant
- Latency Delay Free
- LF Max Punch
- MSED Free
- Overtone GEQ Free
- Sound Delay Free
- Stereo Touch Free
- VariSaturator
- Voxformer 2
- GlissEQ
- TransGainer

Web: http://www.voxengo.com/downloads/?resid=1024&lanid=eng&platform=5 (keep posted for more).
 
Wave Arts:
 
- Tube Saturator
- TrackPlug 5
- Masterverb 5
- Finalplug 5
- Multidynamic 5
- Panorama 5
- MR Noise
- MR Click
- MR Hum
- MR Gate
 
Web: http://wavearts.com/
.
Yellow Tools:
 
- Independence
- Independence Free
- Freedom
- Origami
 
Web: http://www.kvraudio.com/news/13429.html 

 
 
 

I'm with ya, Jose! Count me in for the campaign. I'll submit a feature request as suggested... I've been wanting to transition to full x64 for a long time, as you know, but it always comes up short for me one way or another, each time I try. Anything that Cakewalk can do to continue to push the x64 barriers would be helpful, I believe. I'm hoping your transition goes better than my attempts... and BTW, congrats on your new system.... please keep us posted. I saw your numbers in the benchmark thread, and sadly they didn't look as good as they could be, as I'm sure you know. But they are good enough to crank out a far more complex production than what I recall from your previous system, right? So that's good. I'm sure Sonar 8 would help your system at lower latencies too. I've seen it even in x86 Win XP Pro. So on x64 Vista I'm sure you'll see a 30+% boost at low latencies.... or a lot more.

To: Fog: I agree with you about important things needing attention, but I don't see why Cakewalk can't do both. They're already so far with x64, might as well go all the way. And BTW, working with BitBridge has numerous (and oft-mentioned) drawbacks that we don't need to mention yet again here, but if we can move to 100% pure x64 that would be ideal. I'd like to see Cakewalk pushing harder and harder in the whole industry, which has been dragging its feet more than many of us probably ever imagined.

Anyway, hope things progress forward with Sonar 9 in this arena. By then, surely Cubase (which I also own) will have a fully-supported x64 version when Cubase 5 comes out, not just a preview version. And some of the other DAW and plugin developers are clearly working on all this. So perhaps in the timeframe of Sonar 9 and Windows 7 we might really start to see some action.

I think most manufacturers are waiting for Windows to go 64 bit.

"YES WE CAN"

Sonar is not the problem, it's the 3rd party people who refuse to support 64 bit operation.

Jose talked about this a year ago, all of your third party programs are the culprit. I wanted 64 bit so bad I E-mailed most of the important companies. There replys were we will provide and service all 32 bit systems first. THAT was that and here we are again still stuck in the 32 bit mode. Some things just never change until all moneys are exhausted from the 32 bit era.

Awesome guys!

Thanks for being so supportive. It is a shame that we're still stuck here where we are 3 years after the release of the first 64 bit DAW, Sonar 5. But if we don't do something about it then, who will? Most software companies are very comfortable capitalizing on old technology (or what should have been old by now) so they'll keep doing that until we, the consumers, do something about it. Believe me this is not the first attempt by a forum memeber at promoting a 64 bit transition. A few others have done the same before, but we still need to keep at it until we get it. Cakewalk has long shown interest in this new format so who better than them to keep pioneering on it. All we have to do is fill out a simple form that only takes 5 mins, if that, to fill up. How hard can that be?

Fog: I understand your concerns, but like Eratu said, I don't see why Cakewalk couldn't do both things either. It's not their first time at it, so it shouldn't be that hard (I assume). And Bitbridge is not a solution, only a transition.

Eratu: Thanks so much for your support. I know I can always count on you :-) The new system is doing good but not as good as I expected. It's much better than the old system, that's for sure.

Juca: Again, thanks a lot. Hope we get there sooner than later.

Jlgrimes: Windows 64 bit has been around since 2003 I believe, so that's definitely not it.

HGC: Same here .

Stevvy: Definitely!

Mididreamer: That's what I used to say. But we have no other choice until Windows 7 comes out since XP64 is not officially supported by Cakewalk. Even then, it will take that OS some time to mature, so.

Rumleymusic: I understand that too. But who listens better than Cakewalk? Not many, so at least it's a start (and a good one at that).

Edath: Me either. It sure would be nice to have a 64 bit PS or VC-64.

Stevie B: Yeah, it's sad how they keep ignoring us like that. But we will prevail, that's for sure.

Bapu,

You're looking at it as "the glass is half empty" and I'm looking at it as "the glass is half full". Even if it's nowhere near "half full" we have to be optimistic. Like Mr.Ease rightly said, "...I think it is inevitable that this will be a slow process as so many different developers are involved and will have different agendas. Of course that does not mean that we cannot put on the pressure as end users!". It'll only get longer if we just keep waiting for it.


Take care!

Jose,

Maybe somone should compile a list of the top 100 3rd party vendors' links for feature requests where we all can just click and submit a "rash" of requests.

That someone is not me, BTW. I did my part for SONAR and I may do that eight more times for my list of vendors.

Well, I'm obviously squarely in the full, top-to-bottom, 64bit camp.
And, in fact, I only buy new software that's both:
- Mac/Windows (Sonar and Logic Pro are the exceptions)
- 64bit

That said, I don't buy much software anymore.

Unfortunately, the reality is simple:
As long as people CAN code for 32bit, they will. It's old, it's mature, its familiar... which means... it's cheaper.
That puts it squarely on... the OS providers... Apple and Microsoft. If they don't close the door, no one else will.

Apple has made a concerted effort to transition. They'll close the door within 18 months for all but the edge cases.
MS... well, they're MS. An effort, but tempered by their business need, which is probably 90% 32bit, and will be for a while. If I were them, I might do the same thing, which means keeping 32bit around for the billions of dollars I make off keeping it around.

2010, my friend... 2010... on Mac.
At the earliest.

I'll petition, but...
2010, it is.

2011 or 2012 for Windows.
At the earliest.

- zevo

ORIGINAL: Jose7822

Hey guys!

This thread is all about petitioning for a full 64 bit Sonar 9. I'm not talking about the audio engine and stuff, I'm talking about those synths/plugins that come bundle in Sonar which have yet to make the transition to the 64 bit world. A lot of people are making the transition to a 64 bit system, including myself, and I think it's about time Cakewalk delivered a full fledge 64 bit pacakge. All you have to do is fill out this simple form here:

http://www.cakewalk.com/support/featurerequest.asp


Thanks in advanced for those taking part in this. It's about time we make the transition and what better way than for Cakewalk to once again set the example.


Take care!

Out standing Jose!!!!!! hear hear!!!!!!!!!!!


Best Regards
Freddie

ORIGINAL: eratu


Anyway, hope things progress forward with Sonar 9 in this arena. By then, surely Cubase (which I also own) will have a fully-supported x64 version when Cubase 5 comes out, not just a preview version.

Hi Eratu!
Long time no seen!

I'm using SONAR 8 Producer 64bit version....now instead! I can guarantee you that that will not happen! ;) They don't even have VISTA 64bit drivers to there new hardware.....the morans!
Just hopes...no joy!

The best thing I have ever done (except when i switch to Logic), swithcing to SONAR 8 Producer 64bit version. I haven't looked back for sure....

Best Regards
Freddie

ORIGINAL: rumleymusic

Sonar is not the problem, it's the 3rd party people who refuse to support 64 bit operation.

Exactly!!!!

Who cares if the DAW is 64bit, if the pluggins arent?

Sure you could rewind/FF faster and possibly open screens faster, but if the DAW has to convert 32 bit information to 64 bit information on a consistant basis.....then won't that defeat the purpose as far as CPU power is concerned?

Cakewalk is sure the last one to ask for more of x64. Even its x32 plugins work enormously stable via BitBridge.
So I rather recommend on tickling the 3rd party soft/hardware developers/vendors to produce x64 plugins and stable x64 drivers.
while personally working in Vista x64, I really have no concerns to Cakewalk regarding x64.

Jose7822
here're some more items for your list

- NomadFactory: http://www.nomadfactory.com/contact/index.html
- Sonnox: http://www.sonnoxplugins.com/pub/plugins/support/sup-home.htm
- Overloud: http://www.overloud.com/en/support/
http://www.overloud.com/en/contacts/
- PSP Audioware: http://www.pspaudioware.com/indexen.html?url=http://www.pspaudioware.com/support1.html;
- URS: http://www.ursplugins.com/supportmain.html
- Softube: http://softube.se/index.php?p=support

ORIGINAL: Freddie H

ORIGINAL: eratu


Anyway, hope things progress forward with Sonar 9 in this arena. By then, surely Cubase (which I also own) will have a fully-supported x64 version when Cubase 5 comes out, not just a preview version.

Hi Eratu!
Long time no seen!

I'm using SONAR 8 Producer 64bit version....now instead! I can guarantee you that that will not happen! ;) They don't even have VISTA 64bit drivers to there new hardware.....the morans!
Just hopes...no joy!

The best thing I have ever done (except when i switch to Logic), swithcing to SONAR 8 Producer 64bit version. I haven't looked back for sure....

Best Regards
Freddie

You're probably right. LOL -- What am I saying? ;) Yeah, I think the best hope for real x64 is with Sonar right now and into the immediate future.