hey rbowser yea were on the same planet, its just i dont think ghandi acutaly won independence for india by non violent means (sorry know this off topic) india was no more use to the empire.  Hence the way they divided it up.  Lennon you could say through non violent means managed to stay in the us.  I'm just trying to stand up for what i believe in im disapointed with the world and i dont think non violent protests work.  sorry guys somtimes a) im **** stirring b) im having a bad day or c) i dont agree with what you are saying and i am coming after you.  I just think that we need sombody who is aggressive to stand up to agression i know that possibly this is a bit of an oxy morron but im a bit unconventional.

Now on topic this is a great experiment and i agree with the posts about getting realistic orch sounds and the best way to go about that is if you have some knowledge of the instrument in the first place.
At the moment to get the cellos right in strawberry fields i am doing all the tricks that have been suggested, that is different patches combining the expressive and legato(sorry using dim pro).  changing the pitch slighty at the end of a long note.  I am going to start experimenting with envolope generator and changing it as needed for each note.  In the original post about getting the cello's to sound real i was having an argument with sombody else and i dont think he understood what i was talking about.  This new paradigm this digital paradigm takes a whole new set of skills.  Once you learn how to use the dim pro properly and you have a basic understanding of the instrument you are trying emulate i believe you will acheive what we are talking about on this forum at the moment.  did anyone check this link out.  http://www.paulhenrysmith.com/why-i-use-a-digital-orchestra/ Opinions on this would be good and it may give people an idea of what is possible.  I played this to my brother the other day sombody who does not work in our industry and he was amazed and could tell the difference.

Sorry if i upset anyone just stiring the pot i do love you all and think we can all do amazing things if we all pull together as a team.

In case people want to know, there's a wrong note in one of the arpeggios on one of the strings and also in the Horn part. I still haven't worked on the rest, cause I'm doing it section by section first. But I wouldn't be surprised to find other wrong notes elsewhere.

You do realize that there is no prize at the end of this, right?

Might have something to do with the bright lights reported over Kenmore...

Jose7822


OK, cool.  Cause that was definitely bugging me.

In case people want to know, there's a wrong note in one of the arpeggios on one of the strings and also in the Horn part.  I still haven't worked on the rest, cause I'm doing it section by section first.  But I wouldn't be surprised to find other wrong notes elsewhere.

Later!

OK, Jose, but we're not going to change the MIDI file.  We have a bunch of MP3s already, so what we started with is what we'll go with.  Go ahead and fix the notes you don't like if ou have to, but the main thing is to produce the MP3. We need to recognize that it's essentially the same file as everyone has.  There's one section which has some notes that bug me, but I'm probably going to leave them as-is.

And actually there Is a $10,000 prize, so get crackin'! 

Randy B.

rbowser



And actually there Is a $10,000 prize, so get crackin'! 

Randy B.

Yay! :-)

Awesome idea, congrats to all those involved.

I'm not good at all in doing orchestral stuff, so I think I am not going to bore you with my weak attempts :), but be sure I will follow with big interest.

I think it might be a good idea and an enhancement to the educational aspect if people could get hands on the edited MIDI. So we could have a look at what the participants have done MIDI-wise to make their library sound the way it sounds.
If those that upload their mp3 can be bothered to also export their edits as a MIDI file, I think many would appreciate and benefit even more. Even if they don't have that particular library they could see and learn what it takes to make them sound great. And if they happen to have it (I do have GPO), the better. Would be almost a tutorial .

Thanks for a great forum effort.

step aside.. make way... lol.. this is a great idea, hold that train, I am running thru the station to hop on.


Well shoot.. I think the train left me at the station, just loaded up the file, using sonar 8.5.3 and the orchestra software I have, got up the 9th track I think, and even though the track is playing, no matter what midi channel I assign to it, I get no sound. I may have a limit on midi tracks with it. I tried inserting another instance of it, and same results... Any ideas... I can't tell you the name of the software, as we are supposed to keep it secret.. but if it helps I will.

Ok, it is Motu Symphonic Instruments. Had trouble assinging around the percussion strip, for some reason on the 8th channel, it did not recognize in the software, but the 9th channel worked. Then when I got up to tremolo strings... nada... tried all the rest of the midi channels... nothing, tried a new instance of the software, and still nothing on that.

appreciate it, I did find on the internet that channel 10 is a gm drum midi most likely they say... will work with it.

frankandfree

I think it might be a good idea and an enhancement to the educational aspect if people could get hands on the edited MIDI. So we could have a look at what the participants have done MIDI-wise to make their library sound the way it sounds.
If those that upload their mp3 can be bothered to also export their edits as a MIDI file, I think many would appreciate and benefit even more. Even if they don't have that particular library they could see and learn what it takes to make them sound great. And if they happen to have it (I do have GPO), the better. Would be almost a tutorial .

Thanks for a great forum effort.

Hi, Frankandfree - That could theoretically be a good aid to see what people have done with the MIDI tracks in their recordings.  It would likely only be half of the equation though, because I'm sure people are working in their mixers with track automation, plug-ins, EQ, buses etc.  Much of what you'll be hearing is not only from MIDI work, but audio mixing work.  People could provide bundle file, and whatever soft synths and plug-ins you don't have would just not show up.

Big limitations to what you'd be able to learn, though, because in the MIDI tracks, you would see whatever they've done - but you probably wouldn't have the library their using - so you wouldn't be able to equate what you see with what you hear - Well, you could import their MP3 and that would help some.

Hmmm - Well, now after writing this I'm less sure about how helpful it would be -- .

Randy B.

When can we hear what's been shared so far?

Guitarman1
I don't know if this is the same issue but when I downloaded the file and loaded into Sonar, after I soloed a couple of tracks, I found I couldn't "unsolo" them.
Then I saw on the bottom toolbar, near the CPU meter that there was a green "S" showing. I clicked and everything worked fine then.
Don't know why it happened or if it will happen again. I don't have it up and running at the moment so above is the best description I can give.
Hope this helps.

Could my system maybe not be able to handle so many midi tracks?

Nah, if you were overloading your system you'd just get stutters. It wouldn't be silent on one audio track.

It's got to be a routing issue, or you've got the MIDI volume turned down. Also make sure the soft synth's input MIDI channel matches the MIDI track's output channel.

Another tip: there are prominent drum rolls that on many soft synths come out sounding like machine guns. If you poke around, it's very likely your synth has an actual snare roll sample that will sound much better. Just be sure to duplicate the volume dynamics with a volume envelope.

bitflipper


Another tip: there are prominent drum rolls that on many soft synths come out sounding like machine guns. If you poke around, it's very likely your synth has an actual snare roll sample that will sound much better.

Excellent tip, Bit.  The percussion track is the one most likely to need editing -For one thing the notes will probably only play the correct instruments if someone is using an Orchestral Percussion patch which is strictly laid out in GM format.  More likely they'll need to adjust notes so the right instruments are played.   For instance, on the contribution I'm working on, what was supposed to be a cymbal was playing a snare drum.

Playing the original MIDI file with TTS-1 or other GM synth will give people a guide as to what was supposed to be going on, if they're not sure.

And it's most likely that people will want to completely replace some machine-gun sections with something that substitutes for what the original MIDI file intended.  Replacing repeating snare notes with a rolled snare is something some people will be able to do, as you pointed out, Bit, or those notes could be moved to several notes if that's what sounds better in a given soft synth.  Same result - a snare roll, but utilized in a way that doesn't hamper what the synth is capable of.   All of this is true of other percussion instruments in the track.

Randy B.