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Re:The SONAR Orchestral Library Shootout
2010/07/18 18:21:07
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DaveElson Guitarman1 I don't know if this is the same issue but when I downloaded the file and loaded into Sonar, after I soloed a couple of tracks, I found I couldn't "unsolo" them. Then I saw on the bottom toolbar, near the CPU meter that there was a green "S" showing. I clicked and everything worked fine then. Don't know why it happened or if it will happen again. I don't have it up and running at the moment so above is the best description I can give. Hope this helps. That scenario suggest a BUS was solo'd. That's why when you click on the "S" on the status bar it unsolo'd.
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Re:The SONAR Orchestral Library Shootout
2010/07/18 18:22:51
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Guitarman - Your system specs are great, beyond what I have. You have twice as much RAM as I have on this laptop I work on. So your problems aren't because of a lack of horse power. He said he's on Vista 32bit, so the 8GIG RAM is not used. 32bit OS can only address up to 4G RAM.
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Re:The SONAR Orchestral Library Shootout
2010/07/18 18:37:06
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ba_midi Guitarman - Your system specs are great, beyond what I have. You have twice as much RAM as I have on this laptop I work on. So your problems aren't because of a lack of horse power. He said he's on Vista 32bit, so the 8GIG RAM is not used. 32bit OS can only address up to 4G RAM. Ah, you're right, Billy. I was thinking he was on a 64 bit OS. So he has use of 4gigs of RAM, same as I do. I have no problem running virtually as many MIDI tracks as I want really - so the main point still holds true, that it's not a shortcoming of his system. It's a routing issue, which I'm glad to hear he's working on. Randy B.
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Re:The SONAR Orchestral Library Shootout
2010/07/18 19:47:23
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Maybe this has already been covered, I didn't go through all the threads. I'm still on Sonar-4, any chance to just get a midi-1 file for this?
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Re:The SONAR Orchestral Library Shootout
2010/07/18 19:52:38
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T.S. Maybe this has already been covered, I didn't go through all the threads. I'm still on Sonar-4, any chance to just get a midi-1 file for this? Hi, T.S. - Thanks for your interest. The file posted here at the start of the thread is a standard MIDI type 1 file. You're good to go. EDIT: Oops--See the next post. We were going to hand out the MIDI file, decided to make it a .cwp file to help people get started. That's basically the same as a MIDI 1 file, but with the TTS-1 inserted for demo purposes. Randy B.
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Re:The SONAR Orchestral Library Shootout
2010/07/18 19:59:33
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rbowser T.S. Maybe this has already been covered, I didn't go through all the threads. I'm still on Sonar-4, any chance to just get a midi-1 file for this? Hi, T.S. - Thanks for your interest. The file posted here at the start of the thread is a standard MIDI type 1 file. You're good to go. Randy B. Thanks RAndy but what I got was an mp3 and a cwp file. That's not midi file is it? I tried downloading the folder but although it apeared to get saved I don't have a clue where it went...? Sorry, I'm sure it's something simple.
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Re:The SONAR Orchestral Library Shootout
2010/07/18 20:04:11
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T.S. rbowser T.S. Maybe this has already been covered, I didn't go through all the threads. I'm still on Sonar-4, any chance to just get a midi-1 file for this? Hi, T.S. - Thanks for your interest. The file posted here at the start of the thread is a standard MIDI type 1 file. You're good to go. Randy B. Thanks RAndy but what I got was an mp3 and a cwp file. That's not midi file is it? I tried downloading the folder but although it apeared to get saved I don't have a clue where it went...? Sorry, I'm sure it's something simple. Ah--My bad. Originally we were going to post just the original MIDI file, then realized it would be easier to make a .cwp file with the TTS-1 inserted, since most people on Sonar have that. Sorry - That Is basically the same as the MIDI 1 file, but I labeled the tracks, and that synth is inserted. You don't have a clue where your downloaded folder went--? It must have gone to your default Downloads folder - unless you've changed that default. When in doubt, it can be easiest to temporarily download something to your desktop, then move it where you want - which in this case would be in a Cakewalk project folder set up for this. Randy B.
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Re:The SONAR Orchestral Library Shootout
2010/07/18 20:22:51
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Ah--My bad. Originally we were going to post just the original MIDI file, then realized it would be easier to make a .cwp file with the TTS-1 inserted, since most people on Sonar have that. Sorry - That Is basically the same as the MIDI 1 file, but I labeled the tracks, and that synth is inserted. Humm, so if I try to load it into S4 it will load? Heh heh, sorry I'm a little confused. You don't have a clue where your downloaded folder went--? It must have gone to your default Downloads folder - unless you've changed that default. When in doubt, it can be easiest to temporarily download something to your desktop, then move it where you want - which in this case would be in a Cakewalk project folder set up for this. No, the folder appeared to download but it didn't give me a chance to direct it. The other two files worked fine. Is it just the same two files in the folder, if so I can find it? Thanks again Randy, sorry to be a pain. T.S.
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Re:The SONAR Orchestral Library Shootout
2010/07/18 20:53:52
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T.S. - There were only two files in that folder--you said "the other two files worked fine"--? But I've gone back to the folder where the Trek stuff is and added the straight MIDI 1 file. We should have gone ahead and done that as originally planned, for people who either have an older version of Sonar, or who would prefer to start from scratch with the really raw MIDI file. Here's the folder again, now with the MIDI file in it: SONAR TREK Randy B.
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Re:The SONAR Orchestral Library Shootout
2010/07/18 21:50:03
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rbowser T.S. - There were only two files in that folder--you said "the other two files worked fine"--? But I've gone back to the folder where the Trek stuff is and added the straight MIDI 1 file. We should have gone ahead and done that as originally planned, for people who either have an older version of Sonar, or who would prefer to start from scratch with the really raw MIDI file. Here's the folder again, now with the MIDI file in it: SONAR TREK Randy B. Thanks Randy, got it.
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Re:The SONAR Orchestral Library Shootout
2010/07/18 21:58:38
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T.S. Thanks Randy, got it. Cool beans. Now have fun with it! RB
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Re:The SONAR Orchestral Library Shootout
2010/07/18 22:21:19
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Re:The SONAR Orchestral Library Shootout
2010/07/18 23:05:10
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Thanks, Michael. If anybody cares to load that MIDI file into a proper Reaper project to make it easier for folks, that would be cool. We'd gladly add that to the page.
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Re:The SONAR Orchestral Library Shootout
2010/07/18 23:07:29
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Smooth move, Wicked - The more the merrier, I say. RB
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Re:The SONAR Orchestral Library Shootout
2010/07/19 13:23:03
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Hey guys, bitflipper / Randy, I loaded the midi file into sonar 4 and it looks good except I don't have any instrument names in the tracks so I don't have a clue what they should be. Any way to get the proper list? Sorry and thanks, T.S. PS> Oh, and is the BPM 112 all the way through? Heh heh, also you wouldn't have a score sitting around would you?
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Re:The SONAR Orchestral Library Shootout
2010/07/19 14:01:10
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T.S. Hey guys, bitflipper / Randy, I loaded the midi file into sonar 4 and it looks good except I don't have any instrument names in the tracks so I don't have a clue what they should be. Any way to get the proper list? Sorry and thanks, T.S. PS> Oh, and is the BPM 112 all the way through? Heh heh, also you wouldn't have a score sitting around would you? Hi, T. S. - It's a General MIDI file, so when you insert the GM synth which comes with Sonar 4, or Any GM synth, and direct all the MIDI tracks outs to that synth - then when you play the file, all the instruments which the arranger used will automatically load. Here's the list, MIDI channels 1 through 16: Piccolo Oboe Clarinet Bassoon Horn Trumpet Trom Bass Trom Glock (Vibraphone) Percussion (Tympani, Snare, Cymbals, Bass Drum) Piano 1st strings 2nd strings Violas Cellos Basses That MIDI file is exactly what we're all using, the same as is in the .cwp file - So the tempo is as you see there.--Kidding about wanting a score, right? - If you need to see the notes for some reason, open up the Staff View. But we aren't editing the note values - Use the notes which are played. There are some clinkers, and if you come across those and can't stand it, change those. - All the rest of the instructions are on this thread. Randy B.
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Re:The SONAR Orchestral Library Shootout
2010/07/19 14:01:25
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T.S., Did you try opening the Cakewalk project file? You'll have a much better time with it since you'll know what everything is and what it is supposed to sound like. Also, this arrangement is different from the original, so I doubt there's a score for it unless you print it from Sonar (good luck with that though). Take care!
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Re:The SONAR Orchestral Library Shootout
2010/07/19 14:03:50
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Jose7822 T.S., Did you try opening the Cakewalk project file? You'll have a much better time with it since you'll know what everything is and what it is supposed to sound like. Also, this arrangement is different from the original, so I doubt there's a score for it unless you print it from Sonar (good luck with that though). Take care! Hi, Jose - T. S. couldn't use the .cwp file because he's using Sonar 4, when Sonar still used .wrk files. There's no need for a score to do this. You just need the MIDI/.cwp file, an orchestral library, and your Sonar MIDI and Audio editing tools. Randy B.
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Re:The SONAR Orchestral Library Shootout
2010/07/19 14:19:23
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Thanks Randy, that should help. Heh heh, yes I was kidding about the score, sorry about that. As far as the cwb vrs wrk file goes I'm not sure. I'm quite sure it's not the old wrk file but could be wrong. I'll try loading the project file and see what happens but I don't think it will work. I'll let you know.
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Re:The SONAR Orchestral Library Shootout
2010/07/19 15:01:50
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rbowser We should have gone ahead and done that as originally planned, for people who either have an older version of Sonar... The project file opens in versions 6 and 7 plays back ok. I also tried opening it in Home Studio 6 and this was ok too.
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Re:The SONAR Orchestral Library Shootout
2010/07/19 15:06:14
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OK, tried the cwp file and it wouldn't load, Sonar indicated it was a later version and incompatible. What I did notice is that your project file is way bigger than mine so I'm wondering if there was an audio file included with that? I did play the mp3 that was included with the download but it was very very short, too short for me to figure out some of the parts. (Incidently if that was all done with the tt1, what little was there sounded pretty good.) For instance the percussion track, "Percussion (Tympani, Snare, Cymbals, Bass Drum)". I'm not sure what parts line up with the different midi notes? Hi, T. S. - It's a General MIDI file, so when you insert the GM synth which comes with Sonar 4, or Any GM synth, and direct all the MIDI tracks outs to that synth - then when you play the file, all the instruments which the arranger used will automatically load. Unfortunately I've never worked with or used GM instruments before. After working with midi for over 25 years I'm almost ashamed to say that. Actually I've always had my own samplers and synths. I'll see if I can load a GM synth and see what happens. So is there an audio file to go with this, and if so is there any way to get it? Thanks guys, this could be fun if I can sort it out. T.S.
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Re:The SONAR Orchestral Library Shootout
2010/07/19 15:06:37
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Kev999 rbowser We should have gone ahead and done that as originally planned, for people who either have an older version of Sonar... The project file opens in versions 6 and 7 plays back ok. I also tried opening it in Home Studio 6 and this was ok too. On the other hand I can't tell if anything is missing. Were there any buses in the original project? There are none here, not even a master bus. All tracks are routed directly to the output.
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Re:The SONAR Orchestral Library Shootout
2010/07/19 15:43:09
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well, there are more problems coming up than anticipated. I thought people who have orchestral programs and know how to use them would be putting these together - well they are. But if the basics of how this can work aren't already understood, there's a limit to how much tutorializing I can do on this thread. Let me field some questions - maybe it'll be enough to get everyone up to speed: "What I did notice is that your project file is way bigger than mine so I'm wondering if there was an audio file included with that?" It's bigger because it's a .cwp file with the TTS-1 soft synth inserted in it. The only audio file was the separate MP3, which is what was made with that .cwp file. "So is there an audio file to go with this, and if so is there any way to get it?" See the above - the MP3. "Unfortunately I've never worked with or used GM instruments before." I think there's a GM module in Sonar 4. If so, insert it, select all MIDI tracks, then in the main menu Tracks>Outputs - and select that synth. All of the MIDI tracks will be assigned to that synth in one fell swoop. The MIDI file has program changes in it which conform to the GM standard, so all instruments will be automatically set. That is just for starting out - it will show how the original Trek file was assembled. "On the other hand I can't tell if anything is missing. Were there any buses in the original project? There are none here, not even a master bus. All tracks are routed directly to the output." Nothing is missing. The .cwp file is simply the original MIDI file with the TTS-1 inserted. Bare bones project with no buses. Everything is indeed routed directly to the sound card. This is just to help you get started. You're expected to set up whatever buses you want, FX, instruments, etc. I think I've covered all the questions. Hope you guys can get it to work. Randy B.
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Re:The SONAR Orchestral Library Shootout
2010/07/19 18:14:30
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Anyone having trouble loading the 8.5 8.3 project into an older version of SONAR can just download the original MIDI file, which is also on the site. I just checked to see if ...wicked's Reaper post had gotten any response. Curiously, it's just crickets over there.
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Re:The SONAR Orchestral Library Shootout
2010/07/19 18:19:17
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OK Randy, finally got it sorted. I'm sorry, I just had never used the TTS-1 before and wasn't aware that you had the midi file all set up for it. Heh heh, on a hunch I loaded it and started assigning it to the tracks and I could see right away what you'ld done. Thanks for sticking with me and sorry for the confusion. T.S.
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Re:The SONAR Orchestral Library Shootout
2010/07/19 18:24:49
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Yaaaaah! Thanks for letting us know you're doing OK now, T. S. It was good that you inspired me to get the plain MIDI file in the folder last night along with the rest of the files. As Bit just said, that's what will work for people on older versions of Sonar. Now, have fun. Randy B.
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Re:The SONAR Orchestral Library Shootout
2010/07/20 13:22:31
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I tried using my old SF2 GM Bank I had and it was horrible. :) I'm going to try another GM Bank I have. Hope I'm not too late to participate. This is actually a little more time consuming than I originally thought it was going to be but still a lot of fun. Shane
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Re:The SONAR Orchestral Library Shootout
2010/07/20 13:51:47
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Shane_B. I tried using my old SF2 GM Bank I had and it was horrible. :) I'm going to try another GM Bank I have. Hope I'm not too late to participate. This is actually a little more time consuming than I originally thought it was going to be but still a lot of fun. Shane Hiya, Shane - Keep in mind that this doesn't have to be done with a GM sound bank. The original MIDI file is GM, but to make the file work with various soft synths, the tracks and MIDI channels can be re-assigned. No matter how one works a file like this, it Does take some time, indeed. NO WAY are you too late. The earliest the MP3s will start to be posted is this coming weekend, and the list can keep growing after that. So, you're doing fine. Best of luck with it. Randy B.
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Re:The SONAR Orchestral Library Shootout
2010/07/20 14:07:42
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It's pretty trivial to export a Type 1 MIDI of the project file. I did it for the Reaper cross-post and can upload it somewhere else if needed.
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Re:The SONAR Orchestral Library Shootout
2010/07/20 14:15:38
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...wicked It's pretty trivial to export a Type 1 MIDI of the project file. I did it for the Reaper cross-post and can upload it somewhere else if needed. Hi, Wicked - THANKS for posting this on the Reaper site. The Type 1 MIDI file is already covered - it was added to the folder at Box with the .cwp file and MP3 demo. Link again to the whole shebang is below: ORCHESTRAL SHOOTOUT MATERIALS Randy B.
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