stratman70

Bub

sharke

I found that Sonar became infinitely more stable for me after I set up a separate user account dedicated to audio work. This second user account has no startup programs, no automatic file syncing going on and as much crap disabled as possible. I'm pretty confident about Sonar not crashing these days and in fact have narrowed it down to a couple of things I can prepare for, e.g. inserting the Cakewalk tape sim on the master bus will always crash Sonar the first time I do it, so I save right beforehand (the second time I insert it, everything's fine).

Hi Sharke,

What is "Automatic File Syncing"?

Never heard of it.

Thanks,

Bub

Hey Bub
 
I have no issues as I always state, but that does not make me a bad guy./ It's just the truth. I've gone thru a cheap Maudio 2496 and now to a Echo Layla3G (last 2 years or so) I only use the features I need ti use.
I don't use V vocal (i Have Melodyne) and I never even touched auto snap. Other than that I use everything.
 
I will say since I went to an Intel SSD for OS I never see a hiccup. I am big into midi and softsynths-many at one time. I have lots of plugs but all well known and no freebies.
 
Please don't group us all together. I am a retired Micrsoft Tech and I keep my stuff running smoothly.
 
I am sorry that you and others have issues, but that does not make folks like me, John and Cj and others bad guys or Fanboize.
 
Wish it worked great for all of us-but obviously it doesn't, whatever the reasons are.

Hi stratman ... good to see you. I hope all is well.
 
I never mentioned John's name ... but it's good to see you've got him in the correct category. ;)
 
As for the claim that 4 hours a day for 7 years and not a single crash ... I'm calling ****.
 
As for how you use Sonar ... that explains why you don't see any problems. I think if you used it in a broader way, for example mostly audio as aposed to mostly Midi, you would be running in to more of what everyone esle sees.
 
I'm not saying you are bad guys ... what I'm saying is, at some point people see the truth, and that is, you hand ful of guys are the only ones who come on here saying you have absolutely no problems ... while the rest of the forum is discussing bugs, crashes, work-arounds, latency problems etc etc. In the A Patch alone they fixed over 250 bugs. So the fact that you guys haven't run in to a single one of them means you aren't using the software to it's fullest potential and really don't bring anything constructive to the conversation about problems with Sonar. It would be like me saying I never had a single problem with my '74 Pinto while I'm watching the news about their exploding gas tanks, while all the time I fail to mention that I only drive it once a week, for 1 mile.
 
Does it really matter any way? I really don't care any more. What caught my attention in this thread was the 7 year claim. Bull-poop!
 
There's only one Fanboi in this entire forum as far as I'm concerned, and I have him blocked. Not that what I do or don't do, or think, really matters. The world will keep revolving with or without any of us.

Bub

sharke

Bub

sharke

I found that Sonar became infinitely more stable for me after I set up a separate user account dedicated to audio work. This second user account has no startup programs, no automatic file syncing going on and as much crap disabled as possible. I'm pretty confident about Sonar not crashing these days and in fact have narrowed it down to a couple of things I can prepare for, e.g. inserting the Cakewalk tape sim on the master bus will always crash Sonar the first time I do it, so I save right beforehand (the second time I insert it, everything's fine).

Hi Sharke,

What is "Automatic File Syncing"?

Never heard of it.

Thanks,

Bub

 
There are various apps you can use to automatically sync folders to the cloud. For instance, Microsoft's Live Mesh (although they are phasing this out in favor of SkyDrive) and also Google Drive. You just choose which folders on your hard drive that you'd like to keep automatically backed up, and it uploads them to the cloud whenever you make changes to them. You won't notice a hit in performance in everyday computing, but it's not something that you'd want going on in the background when you're running a DAW.

Oh! Thanks. Kind of like that little suitcase sync icon that used to be in XP and prior versions.
 
I just set up a User Account on my DAW and disabled a bunch of stuff. Had to set up Sonar again though. INI and all my other folder location settings etc etc.
 
I discovered two very interesting things ...
 
1. There are 2 Google Services that don't show up when you do a Ctrl-Alt-Del. They are completely hidden. I disabled those.
2. Even though I completely disabled my onboard sound card in BIOS, the drivers were still loading.
 
I also disabled a bunch of Windows services after going online and looking them up to see if it would crash my system.
 
Thanks,
Bub.

I used to disable Windows services too (the Blackviper list) but recently I've been reading that you don't get much of a performance boost from doing so, and that the possible risks outweigh any benefits. I would like to see one of those service disable lists specifically tailored for DAW's though. 

CakeAlexS

Bub you need to spend time tuning your setup. My setup won't be working well if I hadn't done this (took me a day). It would be the same with any DAW.
Plenty of good advice posted here on what to do. I do appreciate "my setup works fine" posts are not useful,like I posted (it is the truth however) hopefully I've since made up with follow up posts. There also some good advice here from other forum members.

Nb I'm just talking about stability issues.  This is nothing to do with how I use Sonar. Software is software.

I've always turned off services and that kind of thing, but it never occurred to me to create a separate user account just for using Sonar. I was shocked to see that there were things loading that do not show up when you open Task Manager. I'm glad Sharke made that post, thanks!. I had one of those "Ahhhh haaaa!" moments.

For me a have a separate boot partition so I always log in as standard admin with certain services disabled. Just for daw that takes it to a whole new level. Useful advice though given about user accounts if you really want to run non draw related programs on your installation.

CJaysMusic

YOU agree?

I just lost 20 minutes work .......GJ!

No, i have not had a crash in X1 or X2 and i use Sonar daily, at least 4 hours a day.
 
If you lost 20 mibnutes of work, then you need to learn hoe to press the "SAVE" button every now and them. dont blame your screw up on Sonar. Its not thier fault you have a flawed workflow. I actually never lost any work in over 7 years of using sonar on a dialy basis..
 
CJ

              Ha ha...this has got to be a contender for post of the year so far....Im with bub on this one, keep your fairy stories for the children
              they`re meant for CJ.

John T


I think X2 is currently a bit cranky. Here's my favourite current one: pressing the expand button to show ProChannel on a bus. About 50% of the time, that's a total white out, restart-the-computer crash for me.

Man , I have this upon saving a track template !
If I want to safe a track template ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,and I used to have DOUBLE as much games ...beta steam ,and all of that running on the machine ,that Before ; had no issue with neither matrix nor Saving of track templates , ..............................so ?????????? PLS ROLAND :.......dont mess up the GOOD HONOR OF CAKEWALK ::::::why they do that ?
 
 

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And there is a God. He's just on holiday...tweaking his DAW installation for stability ;)

Bub

stratman70

Well, you see I see the exact opposite of what you are saying.

The handful are the folks who claim crashes every 20 minutes. I went thru the forum more than once to investigate this. And it was the SAME 10-15% of people talking about totally unusable-completely unstable.

You didn't really just say 10-15% did you? Yeah, you did. LOL! Well, at least you didn't say 20-40%.

I said I use mostly midi. I do record 4 to 5 vocal tracks and 10-15 electric and accoustic guitars live and direct_ and a few basslines using my midi controller. So about 30 audio tracks recorded per project. 30-40 midi tracks per project (mostly drum tracks there.

Ok, I'm calling bull-poop again. A giant steaming pile of it, maybe even one giant pile from multiple members of the same heard that the entire community likes to roll around in. Now you are coming back after saying you only use midi, and adding in, "Oh yeah, well ... my projects are 60 tracks long with half of it audio." What a crock of CRAP man! And you wonder why some of us see right through you and call you out.

Not even going to respond to the rest of your post. It's all crap and you know it.

Like I said, it's good to see you. Hope all is well.

Bub, where did he say he only uses midi?
 
What he actually wrote was -- "I am big into midi and softsynths-many at one time. I have lots of plugs but all well known and no freebies". 
 
"Big into midi" doesn't translate as "exclusively midi"...
 
Man, you didn't even bother to go back and check what he said before practically calling him a liar...
 
And yeah, your "Good to see you to.  Hope all is well" signoff makes it all okay.
 
 
 

CakeAlexS

Really it doesn't matter what people mostly use , MIDI, audio, Sonar, cubase or pro tools, or dubley. Either you work towards getting your system stable piece by piece (which takes time) or assume a magic wand will cover it (or its some piece of software's fault, diagnosed by CPU mind melding, assumption or crystal ball).

Excellent post Alex! You are 100% right.

I think Cakewalk should feel fortunate that people who do have problems are still willing to take the time to work with their software to try and get it running right. I'm pretty sure they'd frown upon users encouraging people to cut their losses and get out.

I could easily walk away like Stratman70 wants ... but that doesn't help anyone. Cakewalk, me, new users ... anyone.

I want it to work ... trust me, music is my only outlet. I don't drink alcohol, do any drugs (Illegal or prescribed), my 'outlet' is music.

I've been laying down some tracks while checking out the forum here since I created that User Account and adjusted the settings. I have to say, everything is much more responsive in Sonar. It really helped a lot. Thanks to you Alex and Sharke.

Bub

Bub

I've been laying down some tracks while checking out the forum here since I created that User Account and adjusted the settings. I have to say, everything is much more responsive in Sonar. It really helped a lot. Thanks to you Alex and Sharke.

21-31% on the plus side now?

Hey JonD-
 
He Just doesn't get it-I'll make it a bit plainer. I sequence (MIDI) all my keyboards, drums and bass using softsynths and my midi controller.
 
I play USA Strats-have 3 or for USA Deluxes. I have an old Takamine Accoustic that I love. I also lay vocal track over my own lead vocals-yup many., many AUDIO TRACKS. I use an AXEFXII to play thru for all my guitar work and a Studio Projects C1 for my many vocal tracks.
 
 
It's a shame that some of us are grown ups and actually take a man at his word and some aren't. Like high school here with the very same classmates-scarey

"I've had nothing but good things to say about X2. I've repeatedly said it works great on my system."
 
A quote from Bub on the Sixth Of January, 2013.
 
What happened, Bub?

I remember when the first incarnation of X1 came out and how the forum became divided into two alienated camps...one had things work 100% and the other alienated camp that had nothing work. And both were duking it out with each other...

Meanwhile...some of us were sitting around saying things like....

"In the war of words between the bashers and the fanbois can there be a little space for others who like what we see here and just want some improvements?"

Seems like it is time for this again.

Brando

jb101


"I've had nothing but good things to say about X2. I've repeatedly said it works great on my system."

A quote from Bub on the Sixth Of January, 2013.
 
What happened, Bub?

Years ago I said Bub was a "Glass is half empty" kind of guy. It doesn't matter who is having great performance with X2, Bub imagines a conspiracy where people have nothing better to do than to fabricate stories about how great it is. Bub you're delusional. Sonar works great here and for many others.  (ya i know it's bull crap). I thought you had finally had enough and moved on to Reaper. Let me guess that's not working for you either.
As Stratman suggested if any DAW were giving me the trouble you have been having with Sonar I would have moved on long ago. That's why I am calling "bull crap". I think you just enjoy creating a stir.
 
I have tried to talk to Bub several times, and he has either replied with abuse, or insinuated that I was at fault.
 
[link=http://forum.cakewalk.com/tm.aspx?&m=2751470&mpage=2]http://forum.cakewalk.com...;m=2751470&mpage=2[/link]
 
Have a look for yourselves,
 
The whole paranoid/conspiracy thing is very telling.
 
I know Sonar is not working for everyone.  With some advice from here most people can sort it out.
 
A few people - McQ, Bub etc seem to hold a grudge and post long after they should have moved on.
 
I've had problems with Sonar, but they have usually turned out to be user error, or hardware error.
 
Constant fights with the likes of Bub and McQ have made me feel less like posting on here.  I usually only post now to help people who genuinely are asking for help.  I think it is probably time to leave, although I have learnt a lot from here.
 
Today I buried my fifteen year old Niece, and it put a lot of this $**t in to perspective.
 
Bub, don't accuse other people of BS just because your experience is different.
 
I know that my DAW runs okay.  I am not a liar.
 
I know you, and your ilk.