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Re:They have to make an update to make SONAR stable ...like SOOOOOoo ASAP !
2013/02/04 15:54:52
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Bub
I hope I'm not coming off as argumentative, that is not my intention Alex. Seriously.
Geez that's funny. LOL - You Bub? Nah.... no way!
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Re:They have to make an update to make SONAR stable ...like SOOOOOoo ASAP !
2013/02/04 15:59:11
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a) WRONG - Dell does NOT supply drivers for your sound card using for DAW purposes unless it is made by Dell. I'm not sure any of Dell's sound cards are up to the Spec Sonar requires anyway.
b) WRONG - Cakewalk does NOT test every HP PC. Even the PC's they made THEY tweak for performance and stability like you should. They even wrote they did that. So they certify it. I will certify you if you like. Don't certify me I'm already certified ;)
c) Yes Bub issues get fixed by magic and that's why manufacturers release firmware/driver updates, so people shouldn't install them. Those things fix nothing they are purely for show.
d) Yes Bub that's right, Microsoft publish registry hacks all over their knowledge base articles so YOU shouldn't do it.
e) Yes Bub that's right, Microsoft never ever releases patches that improve stability or performance.
f) Yes that's why Cake's forums is full of stability and optimization tips, even in this very thread. People write them so people shouldn't read them.
Time you stopped listening to the people who seem to tell you these things...
Bub advice has already been given in this post. Over to you....
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Re:They have to make an update to make SONAR stable ...like SOOOOOoo ASAP !
2013/02/04 16:07:41
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I'm referring to things such as turning Aero off, turning off your Swap File, File Allocation Sizes, that kind of thing. All these things have no relevance in today's PC. You simply don't have to touch this stuff. Tweaking Sonar as in, adjusting buffer settings internally, that's another story. But we're not talking about Sonar, we're (or at least I) am talking about the traditional tweaks that have been put out there and compiled in to 'Tweak Guides' by vendors. They just aren't valid any more. Or, maybe they are and you are right, I listen to the wrong people on the forum and I should go in to my DAW and do all the traditional tweaks that I used to do.
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Re:They have to make an update to make SONAR stable ...like SOOOOOoo ASAP !
2013/02/04 16:10:55
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I have no problem admitting I'm wrong on this. If you're telling me all the conversations here about tweaks not being necessary are wrong, well then maybe we should start a new thread about system tweaks so the conversation doesn't get lost in this crazy thread, and set the record straight ...
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Re:They have to make an update to make SONAR stable ...like SOOOOOoo ASAP !
2013/02/04 16:13:31
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Bub the second you started playing with DAW's you ceased to become the average user. If you still wish to be an average user just play some video games and install Microsoft office. Don't bother using DAW's and do something else.
Otherwise put all your effort reading about how to get your system stable rather than posting in these forums. There's a big wide internet out there that will help train you. These forums are a good start. Look are your specific hardware, software, drivers and firmware bit and bit and get it ALL updated for starters... Or just sit back and expect it all to work (it probably won't 100% of the time if you do that).... the choice is yours not our or Cakes.
I sincerely wish you best of luck... thankyou for being polite throughout.
Cheers
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Re:They have to make an update to make SONAR stable ...like SOOOOOoo ASAP !
2013/02/04 16:36:17
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Bub the second you started playing with DAW's you ceased to become the average user. If you still wish to be an average user just play some video games and install Microsoft office. Don't bother using DAW's and do something else.
Otherwise put all your effort reading about how to get your system stable rather than posting in these forums. There's a big wide internet out there that will help train you. These forums are a good start. Look are your specific hardware, software, drivers and firmware bit and bit and get it ALL updated for starters... Or just sit back and expect it all to work (it probably won't 100% of the time if you do that).... the choice is yours not our or Cakes.
I sincerely wish you best of luck... thankyou for being polite throughout.
Cheers
Alex
What 'Tweaks' are you referring to Alex. That's all I'm asking. Enlighten me, please.
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Re:They have to make an update to make SONAR stable ...like SOOOOOoo ASAP !
2013/02/04 16:44:44
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Check post #22. No point in dishing out anything further until you've covered that base. Cheers...
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Re:They have to make an update to make SONAR stable ...like SOOOOOoo ASAP !
2013/02/04 16:47:17
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Viper Tweaks? Focusrite Tweaks? Sweetwater's Windows 7 Optimization Guide? I can go on and on. Is the average user really expected to do this? If so, I think Cakewalk's DAW Lab 'Certification' is quite misleading. Anyway, I was hoping to get a straight forward answer as to whether I'm wrong or not. Like I said, if I am, I have no problem with that. In the meantime, anyone wanting to tweak till their heart is content ... follow the links above. I hope it does help some folks. Don't expect it to fix bugs mind you, but hopefully it will help your system. Thanks, Bub
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Re:They have to make an update to make SONAR stable ...like SOOOOOoo ASAP !
2013/02/04 16:48:58
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CakeAlexS
Check post #22. No point in dishing out anything further until you've covered that base. Cheers...
I've done all that. That's computer setup 101. That's not DAW tweaking. Maybe we should just forget it. Let people figure it out for themselves. I posted some in depth links. Let's just leave it at that. Thanks, Bub.
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Re:They have to make an update to make SONAR stable ...like SOOOOOoo ASAP !
2013/02/04 16:55:50
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> Is the average user really expected to do this?
See post #126
> I think Cakewalk's DAW Lab 'Certification' is quite misleading See post #118 > I've done all that. That's computer setup 101. That's not DAW tweaking. That is configuration. I though you said you weren't going to update your BIOS's and drivers as it's rocket science or something, and Windows update should never be run (good luck with that then)... ah well. Also try disabling CPU power management in BIOS i.e. Intel speedstep. There's one tweak for you. Plenty of others in the forums, I'm not going to spell all of them out again when google can do that for you.
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Re:They have to make an update to make SONAR stable ...like SOOOOOoo ASAP !
2013/02/04 16:55:51
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I work with software where as part of the installation program, the first step is to check system prerequisites, such as UNIX kernel parameters, etc. to ensure optimal performance.
Perhaps Cakewalk could employ more of this kind of thing as part of the Sonar installation process.
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Re:They have to make an update to make SONAR stable ...like SOOOOOoo ASAP !
2013/02/04 17:41:13
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I work with software where as part of the installation program, the first step is to check system prerequisites, such as UNIX kernel parameters, etc. to ensure optimal performance.
Perhaps Cakewalk could employ more of this kind of thing as part of the Sonar installation process.
it does a number of checks,for bit configurations,.Dot net framework,Visual studio,exc. but it would be almost impossible to basically troubleshoot someones sytem or run compatibility sweeps on each individual custom daw. if we were dealing with unmodofied computers all shelf supplied models than maybe but were not that far into the future yet. :)
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Re:They have to make an update to make SONAR stable ...like SOOOOOoo ASAP !
2013/02/04 17:42:24
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"Stability" means various things to different people. I think it means more than just not crashing. The program should function properly without hiccups or dropouts.
I had recorded eight complete projects in X1, all of which ran flawlessly and were ready to allow many more tracks to be recorded. I opened each one of those projects in X2 and X2a, and saw significant performance issues in X2a. No more tracks could be recorded in X2a--immediate dropouts. (This was not the case for X2, which was buggy in other ways, mostly dealing with take lanes.)
I do keep some unused tracks archived--just for kicks. I'd say I average about 20 tracks archived. My theory is that X2a cannot ignore archived tracks the way X1 (and X2a) could. Just a theory, but the fact is I can't use X2a to continue working on older projects. I'll see about new projects.
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Re:They have to make an update to make SONAR stable ...like SOOOOOoo ASAP !
2013/02/04 18:18:55
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> "Stability" means various things to different people. I think it means more than just not crashing.
Actually in software development it specifically means not crashing however much we'd like it to mean something else.
There are also performance bugs, workflow bugs, documentation errors, design flaws... etc etc.
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Re:They have to make an update to make SONAR stable ...like SOOOOOoo ASAP !
2013/02/04 18:35:27
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Sure, but it's not really the end user's job to stick to agreed QA and engineering terms. How could they even know what standards are being applied. End users are always going to talk in more generalised terms. Doesn't get us anywhere to get pedantic about it.
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Re:They have to make an update to make SONAR stable ...like SOOOOOoo ASAP !
2013/02/04 18:38:10
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Not accusing you of being pedantic, just making a general point.
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Re:They have to make an update to make SONAR stable ...like SOOOOOoo ASAP !
2013/02/04 18:46:04
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Fair enough John...
But when I wrote stability I meant the true definition. I've got no issues with people wanting to call an apple a pear as long as they understand that the other person understands the apple is a pear... but that's er... that's when things get quite confusing esp in threads like these where multiple people are involved... that's why it's important to be as specific as possible and use the right terminology. Easier to call an apple an apple. It's not because everything has to be correct, it's about getting specific things communicated across that's all.
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Re:They have to make an update to make SONAR stable ...like SOOOOOoo ASAP !
2013/02/04 18:50:26
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I might be wrong, but I think the working definition of "unstable" round these parts covers crashes and drop outs.
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Re:They have to make an update to make SONAR stable ...like SOOOOOoo ASAP !
2013/02/04 18:52:11
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> "Stability" means various things to different people. I think it means more than just not crashing.
Actually in software development it specifically means not crashing however much we'd like it to mean something else.
There are also performance bugs, workflow bugs, documentation errors, design flaws... etc etc.
Fair enough. I will stick to saying X2a has performance bugs/issues that did not occur with X1d on some systems.
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Re:They have to make an update to make SONAR stable ...like SOOOOOoo ASAP !
2013/02/04 18:53:24
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Yeah and sorry I didn't mean it to look as though I was having a dig Saxon.
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Re:They have to make an update to make SONAR stable ...like SOOOOOoo ASAP !
2013/02/04 19:04:05
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Bugs are bugs. No amount of 'Tweaking' is going to fix those.
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Re:They have to make an update to make SONAR stable ...like SOOOOOoo ASAP !
2013/02/04 19:05:05
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Re:They have to make an update to make SONAR stable ...like SOOOOOoo ASAP !
2013/02/04 19:06:25
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Sure Bub... sure...
Thanks for the confirmation.
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Re:They have to make an update to make SONAR stable ...like SOOOOOoo ASAP !
2013/02/04 19:11:21
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Re:They have to make an update to make SONAR stable ...like SOOOOOoo ASAP !
2013/02/04 19:11:46
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Still waiting to hear about these 'stability' ensuring, 'crash' stopping, 'bug' eliminating tweaks there Alex ol' pal.
I've done everything you've suggested in this thread ... months ago.
Are we down to component level replacement level?
Exactly what do we need in our systems to run Sonar and avoid it's bugs if we can't even rely on the systems they recommend?
Do I need to employ the skills of a hacker to decompile Sonar and reassamble it in a working fashion?
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Re:They have to make an update to make SONAR stable ...like SOOOOOoo ASAP !
2013/02/04 19:12:49
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Bub.... when did you shave? You look really different now.
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Re:They have to make an update to make SONAR stable ...like SOOOOOoo ASAP !
2013/02/04 19:17:09
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Sorry Bub - I've just blocked you, I can't take it no more.. You win... everything I spent the time writing here was a lie. I hope this fulfils your expectations and allows you to carry on regardless.
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Re:They have to make an update to make SONAR stable ...like SOOOOOoo ASAP !
2013/02/04 19:19:45
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stevec
Bub.... when did you shave? You look really different now.
I haven't ... that's a picture of my Great Great Great Great grandmother. She was a full blooded Iroquois Indian.
"I pulled the head off Elvis, filled Fred up to his pelvis, yaba daba do, the King is gone, and so are you."
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Bub
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Re:They have to make an update to make SONAR stable ...like SOOOOOoo ASAP !
2013/02/04 19:20:47
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CakeAlexS
Sorry Bub - I've just blocked you, I can't take it no more.. You win... everything I spent the time writing here was a lie. I hope this fulfils your expectations and allows you to carry on regardless.
Well thank God we got that settled. LOL!
"I pulled the head off Elvis, filled Fred up to his pelvis, yaba daba do, the King is gone, and so are you."
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