On my laptop, I can record 10 tracks at 88.2 until I run out of disk space if my power doesn't get interrupted. I get hangs and crashes when I overdrive the processors or drives. But short of that, it works smoothly.

Bub

jb101

"I've had nothing but good things to say about X2. I've repeatedly said it works great on my system."

A quote from Bub on the Sixth Of January, 2013.
 
What happened, Bub?

The troubles started when I started using it to record new projects. I was just using it to remix old projects at the time. I stated that I was just using it to remix at the time ... but maybe not on that thread, I don't remember.

So then your problems are related to recording and not mixing?


Just trying to be clear.

bapu

Bub

jb101

"I've had nothing but good things to say about X2. I've repeatedly said it works great on my system."

A quote from Bub on the Sixth Of January, 2013.
 
What happened, Bub?

The troubles started when I started using it to record new projects. I was just using it to remix old projects at the time. I stated that I was just using it to remix at the time ... but maybe not on that thread, I don't remember.

So then your problems are related to recording and not mixing?

Just trying to be clear.

No, it's not isolated to recording, but the problems did start when I started recording new projects in X2. It had been working fine ... I mentioned it several times, but I also made it clear I was only mixing at the time.

Like I said, it doesn't matter.

I really don't give a **** anymore about it and I'm almost to the point of giving you all what you want ...

My view is if you get stability issues in X2A you are probably going to get it in X2B. X2A is stable... Something else is going on.

With X1 I had exactly the same stability issues you had and it was fixed in exactly the manner you describe service pack by service pack. X1C made things stable mostly. So my experience was the same as you, so were most  people. In this case however people are getting different experiences and not in general agreement. It could be that Intel systems are more stable than AMD systems right now for instance but that's about it really. This leads me to think its prob device drivers, firmware and tweaking etc are at play here. Of course I will probably be proven wrong but that's what I'm thinking. Nb what a lot of people don't regard for instance is that just because a device driver or firmware works in X1 it may not work in X2. Most people would jump to the conclusion that X2 would be at fault in this case. This may not be the case however as X2 could be accessing driver functionality in a way that X1 doesn't, and could expose a bug with the driver that X1 never did.

Mick Moreau

Like Stratman, I too have been using Sonar for a long time (Since cakewalk 2004).

Me too. I've been using Cakewalk software since Pro Audio 9.0. Can't remember how long ago that was, I'm thinking 98'ish?

Now, I will preface my statement with the fact that I DO save often just to keep from losing important stuff as I would do in ANY software program I use.

Me too. I have Sonar set to save every 60 seconds.

All of my cakewalk experience until X1, was in the Home Stduio versions.

All of mine were with Producer Editions.

I dropped the whole dime on the full X1 when it first came out.  I didnt work well with my new system and had a lot of small problems that got repaired over time with updates. I actually went backwards and bought Sonar 8 full, and Cakewalk was nice enough to provide me with the 8.5 upgrade links so that I could have all the tools.  Once upgraded, 8.5.3 worked flawlessly on my system.

IIRC 8.0 was a crash fest. 8.5.3 is still my favorite DAW of all time.

I waited thru X-1 and when it went to X2 I upgraded immediately.  With a couple of insignificant glitches (still no lost work due to saving), X2 has performed to expectations.

Now before you jump all over me, Bub I will admit to NOT being a high end Recording studio user, but I do a lot of work with Midi combined with audio using an 6 year old audiophile 2496.  I record live sometimes, but mostly in house audio and midi equalling close to 80 tracks depending upon my needs.  Also, I use a lot of effects and until I get into multiple softsynths I dont have any real problems.  Even still they are mostly user controlled error on my part.  With a some research, and using the forum, I get what I need in plenty of time.

From everything I've read those 2496 cards are rock solid. I would never jump you. Your one of the many members here that can have a rational conversation about these kind of things. There's only a handful of us that get in to these virtual slug fests from time to time. ;)

Sorry to hear that youve been having a lot of problems with it, but if moving on to something better will help you get the job done then you probably should.  The way it reads in the last 3 pages there isnt any amount of convincing you that Sonar is a good platform, but from where I sit... its the best yet (for me)

Hope you find a form of a solution that suits you.

Keep in mind ... the A patch alone fixed 250 bugs ... Seems to me you would be hard pressed not to run in to one, that's why when people come in and claim they've never lost work work in 7 seven years and see no problems it seems so unbelievable. Heck, even using Auto-Save I've lost work because of crashes in Sonar caused by VST's.

All the other DAW's I've tried work. I've been using Reaper a lot, and I've been using a lot of the VST's that come with Sonar in it. I had one crash, it was a Cakewalk VST, and Reaper reset the VST and I kept on working. When it happened in Sonar, I would get a hard crash and have to reboot. It shouldn't be that way.

Anyway, I've been tracking all day and so far so good since I created that separate user account. That looks very promising.

It's good to see you Mick. It's been a while. Hope all is well.

Bub

Bub

bapu

Bub

jb101

"I've had nothing but good things to say about X2. I've repeatedly said it works great on my system."

A quote from Bub on the Sixth Of January, 2013.
 
What happened, Bub?

The troubles started when I started using it to record new projects. I was just using it to remix old projects at the time. I stated that I was just using it to remix at the time ... but maybe not on that thread, I don't remember.

So then your problems are related to recording and not mixing?

Just trying to be clear.

No, it's not isolated to recording, but the problems did start when I started recording new projects in X2. It had been working fine ... I mentioned it several times, but I also made it clear I was only mixing at the time.

Like I said, it doesn't matter.

I really don't give a **** anymore about it and I'm almost to the point of giving you all what you want ...

I don't want anything from you Bub. I was just trying to clarify which was giving you the most or more problems. It just seems to me that you are the one that reiterated that on re-mixes you experienced "good results".

this thread has a little bit of everything in it,thats not a good thing.

This thread could have come from any version of Sonar. I remember when Sonar 7 came out - ooh that was a turkey!
Go to Logic or Cubase forums - same sort of arguments. No DAW software is perfect. Sonar is more imperfect than most though. Glad I stuck to 8.5.3...

Bub this may be the very last time I post on this forum responding to you.

I’ve known for a while now that you have some real problems with how you deal with other members here. I think its due to something going on with your own life. It sure is not due to what people say to you.

What has caused me to respond to you here is how you seem to view veterans. What was being said was that veterans as a group tend to hold certain things as sacred. One being honor. When service people have nothing else to motivate them when asked to go into harms way that is the only thing that allows them to do so. They do it because of honor. When the vet is put into a situation of having to kill another or be killed it is honor that has to drive them. Civilians never know what vets have had to do in their name. Nor do they understand the deprivations they suffer in order to do the bidding of the people they are defending.

You say you know vets. But judging by the dismissive remarks about them I think you only know about them. You do not know them at all. You do not know about their honor. You know nothing about what they did and what it meant to them to do it. What it cost them. What it still costs them. It never leaves them.

I can’t tell you how much your rhetoric is so offensive to vets. Nor can I tell you how vets view the sort of attitude you have. It seems those that do the least for their country have the worst attitude toward veterans. I need not say what vets think of you. That would be a violation of the TOS.

You need to rethink how you act around vets and how you interact with them. Those of us that made it back home don’t need to have our anger awakened by people that seem unworthy of the sacrifice we gave. Let us try to have faith that at least some people respect what we did and are grateful for our having done it.

Many people on this forum have gone out of their way to be thoughtful to the vets and have shown gratitude for our service. Others make no comment which is perfectly acceptable. It is those few that are unable to see the honor and the sacrifice that a vet has that is very upsetting to vets in general.

You don’t have to think good thoughts about us. You don’t have to post nice things about us. You don’t have to go out of your way to thank us. What you do have to do is be silent if you can’t do any of the above.

That is all we ask.

OK...I guess we are back to the infamous...in the war between the 'fanboi' vs the 'basher' can there be a little bit of space for those of us who like what we have but can see a need for some improvement? 


@Bub....if 8.5 works for you then use it...I guess....

CakeAlexS


Yup I love my Saffire Pro 40. Stability wise. Run windows update. Update your PC chip set drivers. Update your sound, graphics drivers, music controllers, network card, every driver you can. Update your firmware everywhere and PC BIOS. Update and review your plugins. Run scan disk then defrag. If that doesn't work you need to do some tweaking. Leaving at that for now....

I've never had a problem with mine:

bapu

It just seems to me that you are the one that reiterated that on re-mixes you experienced "good results".

Yes, that's 100% right. It was working really good. I've said so several times ... not trying to hide anything ... it's all there in black and white. But ... when I started tracking, and dealing with all the Take Lane, Envelopes bugs, and more ... it introduced a whole new slew of bugs.

I don't want anything from you Bub. I was just trying to clarify which was giving you the most or more problems.

And I don't want anything from you either. Thanks for trying to clarify.

I will continue to use the product (X2) that I paid for off and on and check for updates and participate in this forum.

If you or anyone else does not like what I say ... block me ... or ignore me ... or report me.

Can you guys help me understand something here.

I've read through this thread (and many other similar ones) and a lot of you are making a big thing of how long SONAR runs for you without a crash, or more accurately, before a crash. This, I'm guessing, is a way of illustarting how stable SONAR is running for you?
 
Which leads me to a couple of thoughts...
 
Firstly, wouldn't a more accurate portrayal of reliability be garnered if, instead of stating simply how long SONAR has been running, you were to state what you were actually doing with SONAR during that time, and how often you were doing it. I mean for example, if you were tracking audio or writing some MIDI in the PRV for 2 or 3 hours, I wouldn't be surprised if SONAR was going for long periods without a crash. But if you'd been inserting VSTs on the fly and adjusting loop points repeatedly (by way of example) with no problems, that would mean a lot more to me.
 
Secondly, is it fair or reasonable to estimate SONAR's stability with some sort of "crashes per hour" formula? Aside from taking into account my previous point, this also raises the question of 'why' a crash happens. Surely, if a certain (unknown) procedure is always crashing SONAR, it's completely irrelevant to how long SONAR remains stable whether you perform this procedure 5 minutes into a session or 5 hours into a session.
 
Obviously I say 'unknown' procedure, as once you've identified it, you can address the problem to prevent further crashes. I would imagine the biggest pain is when a certain technique or procedure only occasionally causes a problem - especially if it's in the same project.
 

 

I happen to be a keyboard player that also sings and plays a bit of guitar.

Most of the time, I am tracking MIDI, either recording live or using Step Sequencer, depending on whether it's drum or keyboard parts.

I often add vocal tracks and guitar tracks after most of the keys are done - bass is usually also midi.

I have used the above approach since forever ago, through multiple releases of Sonar, and generally do not run into trouble.  I use X2a now, and I have not had any crashes whatsoever with it so far.  Again, I only really do things as I explained above.

As I get into more advanced mixing and mastering, I will likely venture into areas where I may trip on some of the things people are experiencing, but in the meantime, on my system, with my approach to recording, Sonar X2a seems quite stable.

Bob Bone