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Re:Will Sonar ever be coded for Mac???
2010/07/20 11:24:42
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Why should I buy a johnny-come-lately to the graphical UI world? No thanks.
Now that's funny. Windows has had a graphical UI almost as long as Mac. Both companies got the idea from Xerox PARC. I'm laughing at Apple's woes with the new iPhone's antenna. I guess they aren't perfect anymore. 
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Re:Will Sonar ever be coded for Mac???
2010/07/20 11:31:17
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daveny5
Windows has had a graphical UI almost as long as Mac. Both companies got the idea from Xerox PARC.
I always thought Apple pinched the concept from the AtariST..... ....I'm probably mistaken as usual lol
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Re:Will Sonar ever be coded for Mac???
2010/07/20 11:50:05
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daveny5
Why should I buy a johnny-come-lately to the graphical UI world? No thanks.
Now that's funny. Windows has had a graphical UI almost as long as Mac. Both companies got the idea from Xerox PARC.
I'm laughing at Apple's woes with the new iPhone's antenna. I guess they aren't perfect anymore.
The thing I was getting at was Microsnot was second in the graphical UI biz for the masses to Apple who did indeed cop it from Xeroz PARC which is where Jobs worked before he and Woz started Apple. XEROX was strictly business oriented.
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Re:Will Sonar ever be coded for Mac???
2010/07/20 11:56:02
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gothic.angel
If you define Win7 "crap OS", it simply means you are biased...
Um, and you're not??
Judging by your posts I think you may be!
3 questions for you:
Have you actually used a Mac?
Have you actually used Logic?
Have you actually been to a pro studio?
Gothic.angel is as biased against the Mac OS as he is for any Windoze OS. He has the typical knee-jerk reflex action of many on here whenever even the slightest mention of Macintosh appears. He's like a lot of others around here who never even tried to get into Macs. They LOVE their Winboxes and can see that there's anything wrong with them. They refuse to see the emperors (MS and Bill Gates) have no clothes.
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Re:Will Sonar ever be coded for Mac???
2010/07/20 12:08:22
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Gothic.angel is as biased against the Mac OS as he is for any Windoze OS. He has the typical knee-jerk reflex action of many on here whenever even the slightest mention of Macintosh appears. He's like a lot of others around here who never even tried to get into Macs. They LOVE their Winboxes and can see that there's anything wrong with them. They refuse to see the emperors (MS and Bill Gates) have no clothes.
Sounds like you're talkin' of tipical Mac Users...  They're the only ones in LOVE, and love, everybody knows, makes people blind..................... 
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Re:Will Sonar ever be coded for Mac???
2010/07/20 15:26:43
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Freddie H
You must mean the new apple products iTalk & iThink. The new products that makes Apple do all the thinking & talking for apple users.
You hook it up to your head and from your own mouth comes automatic phrases like:
I'm a Mac... and its the best thing in the world.
I love Steve Jobs.
Hungry..need food...need apple.
Regards
Freddie
Hi, Freddie...mate...!!!
That's a perfect summary of my thoughts about "Apple's World"....!!! That's the main point..!!! Sounds like a joke, but it's reality...!!!
We want you for President...!!!
My best regards to you, Fred..!
Thanks & you are welcome my friend! ;) Best Regards to you as well! Freddie
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Re:Will Sonar ever be coded for Mac???
2010/07/20 23:31:48
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I absolutely agree with you though, having knowledge of Logic may well teach
me new things about Sonar, and that can only be a good thing! This is totally true. After Learning Sonar, I learned Nuendo, then Ableton Live, then Pro-Tools. It is easier everytime to learn a new DAW. Learn them all! you won't regret it. My next on will be DP. Chilldanny, since you work in the industry, what is the most popular DAW in the studios? My personnal experience says Pro-Tools. I found only one person working with Sonar. I would also love to see Sonar for MAC
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Re:Will Sonar ever be coded for Mac???
2010/07/20 23:49:38
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The thing I was getting at was Microsnot was second in the graphical UI biz for the masses to Apple who did indeed cop it from Xeroz PARC which is where Jobs worked before he and Woz started Apple. XEROX was strictly business oriented. You have to stop re-writing history. Jobs never worked for Xerox. Jobs and a team of engineers visited Xerox PARC where they saw a demo of a mouse and a graphical user interface.
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Re:Will Sonar ever be coded for Mac???
2010/07/21 02:28:31
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lapieuvre
I absolutely agree with you though, having knowledge of Logic may well teach
me new things about Sonar, and that can only be a good thing!
This is totally true. After Learning Sonar, I learned Nuendo, then Ableton Live, then Pro-Tools. It is easier everytime to learn a new DAW. Learn them all! you won't regret it. My next on will be DP.
Chilldanny, since you work in the industry, what is the most popular DAW in the studios?
My personnal experience says Pro-Tools.
I found only one person working with Sonar.
I would also love to see Sonar for MAC
Okay, strange?   I would say 40 to 60 % LOGIC then Nuendo / Cubase. After that Samplitude and DP... last Pro Tools & SONAR. I'm glad that no one else have found out all the glory and benefits with SONAR vs other DAW:s on the market. That means that I have the upper edge as a Producer producing tracks in my STUDIO. I hope they continue user their DAW:s so my productions and products shine even further... If you have long experience and get technical stuff, want the best audio quality in the world, need x64bit etc...----> you use SONAR. If you don't know anything, and you are so technically incompetent so you can't barley start your computer of your own ----->you use Pro Tools HD and a MAC computer. Mac = a computer for technically incompetent users like your grandma or your mum. PC= a computer for technically competent people working. That is why Mac has been so popular in the STUDIOs in the past until now. Studio musicians didn't know how to operate a system or build a computer before. Have you seen anyone use CAD on a MAC? Film industry working huge budget films, FX:s, Scientists, Hospital, servers, banks, finance systems ... MAC? No, why do you think it is so? You will only found the use of MAC-computers with people working with---->photo editing , music and Newspaper editors, Reporters (still use --->MS word on MAC) on newspapers. Why, take a wild guess!
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Re:Will Sonar ever be coded for Mac???
2010/07/21 03:27:07
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If the project could be completed quickly then Cakewalk would not want to miss out on the gravy train. No company could afford to miss this money making opportunity. It is just the expense of rewriting the code and with Roland behind them now they have this money. Apple computers whither we like it or not are getting very popular with young people. Thats what they want now after the success of the Iphone and ipad. The same with protools its the one in all the big studios in Europe and if you don't have it you don't get the work its as simple as that. Apple has reported much better than expected results for its third financial quarter, helped by strong sales of Mac computers. The company reported a net profit of $3.25 billion for the three months to June 26. This was up from $1.82 billion a year earlier. Earnings per share, at $3.51, were well ahead of the $3.11 expected by analysts. Revenue rose to $15.7 billion, also well ahead of forecasts. Although the iPhone and iPad generated most of the headlines, it was the Mac computer that helped make the quarter for the company. Apple sold a record 3.47 million Macs in the quarter, up 33% from a year earlier and better than the 3.2 million Wall Street had expected. It also sold 8.4 million iPhones in the quarter, up 61% over a year ago, and 9.41 million iPods, down 8%. Apple said it sold 3.27 million iPads during the quarter, having started selling the tablet computer only in April.
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Re:Will Sonar ever be coded for Mac???
2010/07/21 04:45:30
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lapieuvre
Chilldanny, since you work in the industry, what is the most popular DAW in the studios?
Without question Logic. Quite a few use Cubase and Live too. I've only been to one studio still using Pro-Tools (full HD setup). Of course, I live in the UK so I can only guess it's different in other countries.
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Re:Will Sonar ever be coded for Mac???
2010/07/21 05:25:08
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chilldanny
daveny5
Windows has had a graphical UI almost as long as Mac. Both companies got the idea from Xerox PARC.
I always thought Apple pinched the concept from the AtariST.....
....I'm probably mistaken as usual lol
No, it was from Xerox PARC - although to be fair they didn't steal it, PARC considered much of its research to be about advancing ideas so they weren't proprietary about it. They only tried to litigate against Apple after Apple tried to take on Microsoft over the issue. I suspect their attitude was we don't mind Apple (or Microsoft) using the idea but they objected to Apple trying to claim exclusive ownership. Apple was using the GUI concept before Atari (and well before the Mac or Windows was released). It started out on their ill-fated Lisa computer. The first time I saw it on a PC (in 1985) was not from Microsoft but from a company called Gem (if my ageing memory serves me well). The first really GUI version of Windows (V3) was released in 1990 and the Lisa came out in early 1983.
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Re:Will Sonar ever be coded for Mac???
2010/07/21 06:23:09
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Freddie H
Mac = a computer for technically incompetent users like your grandma or your mum.
PC= a computer for technically competent people working.
That is why Mac has been so popular in the STUDIOs in the past until now. Studio musicians didn't know how to operate a system or build a computer before. Have you seen anyone use CAD on a MAC? Film industry working huge budget films, FX:s, Scientists, Hospital, servers, banks, finance systems ... MAC? No, why do you think it is so?
You will only found the use of MAC-computers with people working with---->photo editing , music and Newspaper editors, Reporters (still use --->MS word on MAC) on newspapers. Why, take a wild guess!
...again... Freddie does hit the main points... explaining (some) REAL reasons why Macs were the first choice: NOTHING to do with supposed superior quality... but yet old habits and "traditions are hard to beat, so people (and yes, the industry itself...) still bill them as "industry standard"....
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Re:Will Sonar ever be coded for Mac???
2010/07/21 07:07:01
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fitzj
If the project could be completed quickly then Cakewalk would not want to miss out on the gravy train. No company could afford to miss this money making opportunity. It is just the expense of rewriting the code and with Roland behind them now they have this money.
Apple computers whither we like it or not are getting very popular with young people. Thats what they want now after the success of the Iphone and ipad. The same with protools its the one in all the big studios in Europe and if you don't have it you don't get the work its as simple as that.
Apple has reported much better than expected results for its third financial quarter, helped by strong sales of Mac computers.
The company reported a net profit of $3.25 billion for the three months to June 26. This was up from $1.82 billion a year earlier. Earnings per share, at $3.51, were well ahead of the $3.11 expected by analysts. Revenue rose to $15.7 billion, also well ahead of forecasts.
Although the iPhone and iPad generated most of the headlines, it was the Mac computer that helped make the quarter for the company.
Apple sold a record 3.47 million Macs in the quarter, up 33% from a year earlier and better than the 3.2 million Wall Street had expected. It also sold 8.4 million iPhones in the quarter, up 61% over a year ago, and 9.41 million iPods, down 8%. Apple said it sold 3.27 million iPads during the quarter, having started selling the tablet computer only in April.
No that's not true today...I have iPhone and I just hate it example no flashplayer ...just many restrictions by apple...and THAT is not what younger people wants. The younger generation are even more fast to adapted to new technology. Today they buy and use often other smart phones, mp3 players then iPhone & iPod that loose in sell every day around the world. iPhone4 antenna that doesn't work doesn't make Iphone 4 exactly better. Also it was just recently---> the last update of iPhone OS that you could start multitasking with your iPhone...example have MSN or SKYPE on while you made a phone call....Before everything was just disconnected if you got a incoming phone-call if you talk on SKYPE or used other media. How dumb wasn't that? All phones on the market had of course multitasking month before iPhone! Today all phone have flashplayer... Iphone and iPAD still don't!  That makes IPad the most expensive electronic photo frame of all times! That is the only thing you can do with it! You can't use it to surf the INTERNET other then Apple website. Perhaps that's the next whole idea with apple. APPLE decide also what site you surf on the INTERNET too? What phone would you shop for? An open phone or closed one from Apple that doesn't allow you to use flashplayer or install anything you want to use? To me the choice is easy!  Best Regards Freddie Today the younger generation below 18 to adult 25-35 use laptops with Windows 7 and other phones then iPhone. 1-2 years back you were HOT if you used a iPhone. To day you are FLOP using it. I'm 34 and I will never buy iPhone or any APPLE stuff again on a very long time..
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Re:Will Sonar ever be coded for Mac???
2010/07/21 11:02:29
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Freddie, I love you like the sister I never had, but using large fonts to try to make your point makes you look like an idiot.
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Re:Will Sonar ever be coded for Mac???
2010/07/22 10:26:29
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Freddie
You really are damaging your own arguments with your rhetoric.
If you want to criticise Apple, Apple products and Apple fan boys - go ahead, there are certainly many faults to discuss with all of these topics. However, what you and several other people on this thread don't seem to understand is that when you say:
everything about XXXX is bad,
you are exactly the same as the mindless fan boys who say:
everything about XXXX is perfect.
You destroy your own credibility by demonstrating an unwillingness to treat each issue/product on its merits and short comings.
Statements like,
"That makes iPad the most expensive electronic photo frame of all times! That is the only thing you can do with it!"
are so obviously wrong that any rational, intelligent person is going to dismiss your posts and not notice any valid arguments you might be making. Yes, the iPad doesn't have Flash and that is, arguably, a short coming. On that point, I agree with you. So argue that point rather than saying something that immediately makes anyone with any iPad knowledge realise that you don't know what you're talking about.
I have an iPad and, for general media consumption (email, web access, games etc.), it gets as much, if not more, use as/than my laptop and desktop - and I have never used it as a photo frame!
Hyperbole is a useful tool but when you go too far it can have the opposite effect from that intended.
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Re:Will Sonar ever be coded for Mac???
2010/07/22 10:32:44
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"That makes iPad the most expensive electronic photo frame of all times! That is the only thing you can do with it!"
are so obviously wrong that any rational, intelligent person is going to dismiss your posts and not notice any valid arguments you might be making. It was meant to be funny you know! but I understand what you mean of course you can use it to other things too...but...no flashplayer no surfing the INTERNET. Try to surf into Native Instruments with iPad or this site or other sites that use flashplayer etc... iPad whole idea was to surf the internet with a touch screen, right. Look at Steve Jobs presentation...its all about surfing the Internet in your sofa. Regards Freddie
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Re:Will Sonar ever be coded for Mac???
2010/07/22 10:41:47
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There are some great audio apps for the iPad,
most notably Amplitube, ProRemote and TouchOsc.
Incredibly cheap to buy too =)
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Re:Will Sonar ever be coded for Mac???
2010/07/22 15:05:11
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I would say 40 to 60 % LOGIC then Nuendo / Cubase. After that Samplitude and DP... last Pro Tools & SONAR.
I'm glad that no one else have found out all the glory and benefits with SONAR vs other DAW:s
+1 totaly agree..
one thing thats good about this thread is we all well most all agree .. Sonar is the shiizit..
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Re:Will Sonar ever be coded for Mac???
2010/07/23 09:28:58
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Will SONAR be coded to Linux? LOL
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Re:Will Sonar ever be coded for Mac???
2010/07/28 10:37:47
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Success!!
I'm now a happy BootCamper =)
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Re:Will Sonar ever be coded for Mac???
2010/07/28 11:56:20
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What makes Mac OS X a powerful operating system is the technology behind it: a fully certified UNIX foundation. With a rock-solid UNIX infrastructure, it’s one of the most secure and stable operating systems on any platform. Developers will appreciate Mac OS X even more because it’s fully UNIX compliant. That means it compiles and runs all your existing UNIX code, so you can deploy it in environments that demand full conformance. The result: Software performs exactly as it’s meant to. And because the powerful tools built into Mac OS X improve application performance on multicore processors, the new Mac Pro is the ideal workstation.
This says it all.. stop hating !!! and come to light!!
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Re:Will Sonar ever be coded for Mac???
2010/07/28 12:11:52
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happy BootCamper
When you typed that phrase, drill sergeants the world over flinched without knowing why.
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Re:Will Sonar ever be coded for Mac???
2010/07/28 12:49:43
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What makes Mac OS X a powerful operating system is the technology behind it...
...The result: Software performs exactly as it’s meant to. And because the powerful tools built into Mac OS X improve application performance on multicore processors, the new Mac Pro is the ideal workstation.
This says it all.. stop hating !!! and come to light!!
..NOT at all... indeed... Mac OS X is something which can only be honestly defined as "weak", especially in terms of performance and resources handling... A proof of this revealed to be Logic v8, which had its level meters continuosly interrupt their actions, toghether with stuttering sounds and CPU jumping crazy, not to mention the fact that exporting a project as audio took MORE time than playing it in real time...!!! I (and friends...) were slamming fists on our Macs "Pro"... Logic, which should have performed as "it was meant to", ran like "crap"...!!! It's not a question of love & hate (those machines sure don't deserve neither...) Stop legends..!!! When the going gets tough, the Macs get weak......
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Re:Will Sonar ever be coded for Mac???
2010/07/28 14:19:08
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Meffy
chilldanny
happy BootCamper
When you typed that phrase, drill sergeants the world over flinched without knowing why.
haha
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Re:Will Sonar ever be coded for Mac???
2010/07/28 14:21:14
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I have now officially killed this thread,
It is dead, bleeding all over my desk.....
Move along, nothing to see here.
lol
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Re:Will Sonar ever be coded for Mac???
2010/07/28 18:14:18
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chilldanny
I have now officially killed this thread,
It is dead, bleeding all over my desk.....
Move along, nothing to see here.
lol
...yep... NO Sonar on Macs... NEVER.... The End of it... ...Amen...
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Brett
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Re:Will Sonar ever be coded for Mac???
2010/07/28 23:09:57
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What makes Mac OS X a powerful operating system is the technology behind it: a fully certified UNIX foundation. With a rock-solid UNIX infrastructure, it’s one of the most secure and stable operating systems on any platform. Developers will appreciate Mac OS X even more because it’s fully UNIX compliant. That means it compiles and runs all your existing UNIX code, so you can deploy it in environments that demand full conformance. The result: Software performs exactly as it’s meant to. And because the powerful tools built into Mac OS X improve application performance on multicore processors, the new Mac Pro is the ideal workstation.
That's just marketing hype and while true in a sense it's irrelevant. It's only command line applications that are Posix compliant. Apple layered several bits of software on top of the kernel including things like the user interface. Any real software has to be written using all of the stuff Apple added on which is the hard part. The Microsoft kernel is just as robust and mature as OSX kernel, both have largely the same design.
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Jon Con
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Re:Will Sonar ever be coded for Mac???
2010/07/29 06:20:14
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have to say win7 on bootcamp runs pretty well on mac pro. have got logic and sonar here now and possibly looking to get pro tools in the near future, it takes about 30 seconds to switch between os's.
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dappa1
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Re:Will Sonar ever be coded for Mac???
2010/07/29 06:37:14
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Define your cheese and stick with it creatte on the plate you bought and be happy with what you got. Ufortunately, technology is eye candy and we always want the best, but when we get it. Here comes along ten better. The Consumer circus makes suckers of all of us! Satisfaction never came in a box and my dear friends...it never will! I dont mind if Sonar was programmed for MAC I know that alot of people coo over Dimension Pro and Rapture these are highly sought after and I am sure most people know who they are made by.
post edited by Dappa1 - 2010/07/29 06:40:08
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