Jon Con


have to say win7 on bootcamp runs pretty well on mac pro. have got logic and sonar here now and possibly looking to get pro tools in the near future, it takes about 30 seconds to switch between os's.

+1


Exactly the same rig. Just added Parallels to the equation - so i can nip in and out of Sonar whilst in OSX. Great for transferring OMF2 files between Logic and Sonar. + It is funny seeing Windows progs just happily popping up in OSX. 

skeewiff

Jon Con


have to say win7 on bootcamp runs pretty well on mac pro. have got logic and sonar here now and possibly looking to get pro tools in the near future, it takes about 30 seconds to switch between os's.

+1


Exactly the same rig. Just added Parallels to the equation - so i can nip in and out of Sonar whilst in OSX. Great for transferring OMF2 files between Logic and Sonar. + It is funny seeing Windows progs just happily popping up in OSX. 

Yeah, but you're still running in a layered environment which will degrade performance. Why not do away with Windoze altogether and have Sonar native in OSX?

jackn2mpu

skeewiff

Jon Con


have to say win7 on bootcamp runs pretty well on mac pro. have got logic and sonar here now and possibly looking to get pro tools in the near future, it takes about 30 seconds to switch between os's.

+1


Exactly the same rig. Just added Parallels to the equation - so i can nip in and out of Sonar whilst in OSX. Great for transferring OMF2 files between Logic and Sonar. + It is funny seeing Windows progs just happily popping up in OSX. 

Yeah, but you're still running in a layered environment which will degrade performance. Why not do away with Windoze altogether and have Sonar native in OSX?

Indeed - Sonar in parallels doesnt run at all well - only good for bounces/OMF exports. Absolutely lovely in bootcamp mind (macpro 8 core is the fastest PC I've ever owned!). 


$.02 - Even though we're probably a very silly minority - I'd buy Sonar 9 OSX. Would give me the convenience of the best 2 DAWs (IMO, IMO) sharing one picnic blanket.

Mmmm sharey.

jackn2mpu

skeewiff


Indeed - Sonar in parallels doesnt run at all well - only good for bounces/OMF exports. Absolutely lovely in bootcamp mind (macpro 8 core is the fastest PC I've ever owned!). 


$.02 - Even though we're probably a very silly minority - I'd buy Sonar 9 OSX. Would give me the convenience of the best 2 DAWs (IMO, IMO) sharing one picnic blanket.

Mmmm sharey.

I'd be all over Sonar 9 OSX in a heartbeat. Then again being the minority we are - and I don't consider it a silly one - I doubt that will ever happen.

Yeah... "silly" probably the wrong word. "Extravagant minority" better. Yes, I like that.


I shall not hold my breath however, as that, would indeed be silly. 

jackn2mpu

Yeah, but you're still running in a layered environment which will degrade performance. Why not do away with Windoze altogether and have Sonar native in OSX?

Very, very SIMPLE answer... Because SONAR works (already) great in Windows...!!!
 
Thus, the real question being:
 
"Why not (finally) do away with crappy Apple's i-Games (and that very tiny bunch of poor software...) and get using what you ALREADY have working GREAT in WINDOWS...?!!!"   
 
You shouldn't break what already works (better, very much better).....
 
Stop weeping... , you can make your choice... get it or leave it...
 
 
 
P.S:
It's a funny paradox... (many, not all) Mac users claim (to convince themselves) they have the best thing, and then find out they would love to have the best from the Win world...!
How they wish they had it...!!!

jackn2mpu

gothic.angel

jackn2mpu

Yeah, but you're still running in a layered environment which will degrade performance. Why not do away with Windoze altogether and have Sonar native in OSX?

Very, very SIMPLE answer... Because SONAR works (already) great in Windows...!!!

Thus, the real question being:

"Why not (finally) do away with crappy Apple's i-Games (and that very tiny bunch of poor software...) and get using what you ALREADY have working GREAT in WINDOWS...?!!!"   
 
You shouldn't break what already works (better, very much better).....

Stop weeping... , you can make your choice... get it or leave it...



P.S:
It's a funny paradox... (many, not all) Mac users claim (to convince themselves) they have the best thing, and then find out they would love to have the best from the Win world...!
How they wish they had it...!!!

For starters, I don't use any iStuff. When are you Windoze freaks going to get it rhough your thick heads that not everything Apple makes is iSomething or that Mac users don't all use iSomething? Then again you've drunk the Microsnot Kool-Aid long enough you can't see the problems in that OS - I have, and like I've said before, at my stage of life (I'm 58 and used more computers running more different operating systems than you'll ever use) I can't see putting up with that crud any longer. That's why I'm going OSX on everything (or at least trying to). It's just a shame I'll be leaving Sonar behind now that my Winbox is slowly giving up the ghost, but Digital Performer is doing everything I need it to (and more). Yes, that's right - there's another daw software out other than Logic or ProTools.

Yeah, Sonar is a great program but it runs on a sucky OS (Windoze). And why put up with a sucky OS to run a great program?

 
1 - Yes, by using Apple computers, you DO use i-Stuff, ANYWAY, as They ARE i-Stuff themselves....
2 - Just to let you rest assured, and stop speaking as you are the only one to have the knowledge... I Work as a computer technician in a BIG public company, and i deal with both Win & Mac... so I speak for direct experience...
3 - Digital Performer (good program) is almost forgotten/dead, thanks to those idiots at Apple...
4 - Logic (8 & 9) runs like crap, but advertisment make it still strong for blind people in love...
     In fact, because of that strenght it keeps on the market, I 've used it till last year, when I finally decided to get rid of my Mac Book Pro, and 
     fully dedicate to SONAR and Samplitude... for real productivity... How a good choice it was...!!!
     Logic now feels like just another i-Toy to me....
5 - You are the only man on earth speaking of Win7 as a bad OS, thus, you MUST be biased... 
 
Now, it sounds as it touches you too much... RELAX...!
Mac users have had such a bed news when powerful Windows 7 64 bit kicked away any snobbish Apple's ass, that their favorite (home-made) tune they like so much to sing, "Apples are better", is sounding ridicolous even to themselves....!
 
Finally, facts are that history gave SONAR's birth to Windows, since then, They have BOTH grown IMMENSELY...
 
...Apple, on the other hand, have REGRESSED sice THE i-Pod era... Their main target now are boys and girls..
There are also, of course, a lot of Mac users out there who honestly admitt it...
THEY ASK FOR SOFTWARE THAT RUNS GREAT ON WINDOWS, KNOW what it means..? IT RUNS WELL ON WINDOWS, SO THE GOOD THING MUST BE WINDOWS TOO... IT'S AN OBVIOUS TWO-WAY RELATION... EASY, AIN'T IT..?
You may accept it or not, but it's JUST your decision...
 
True regards.

DonaldDuck

AT


Besides, who wants to work on hardware from a company which designs their wireless phone to be held so you can't get reception.   When Apple said you weren't supposed to hold the iphone4 that way, there was a pic of Jobs holding it improperly.  Form over function. 

;-)

AMEN!
 
I do not know a more over-hyped company than Apple.  It's kinda scary at times.  Their users tend to have this cult-like mentality. 

I couldn't agree more.  The problem is that people like gothic.angel are exactly the same.  They have a cult hatred of all things Apple and make irrational statements that are not based on any evidence, just their immutable dogma.


People also need to appreciate the difference between absolute, objective facts and subjective opinions.  It's easy to create a plausible argument for why OSX is better than Windows or for why Windows is better than OSX, you just have to define what you mean by better and that is always going to introduce an enormous amount of subjectivity.  Dismissing OSX as a toy compared to Windows is just as ludicrous as saying Windows is a toy compared to OSX.


Getting back to the point behind this thread.  It's just a group of people who think OSX is the better operating system and SONAR is the best DAW simply saying, wouldn't it be nice if we could have the best of both worlds.  Understandably, people who already believe they have the best of both worlds are concerned that porting SONAR to OSX would impact on them (and it probably would). 


However, it is all a mute point.  Noel has already said on this forum that it isn't going to happen - at least not until, for some reason, they decide it's time to completely rewrite SONAR (or whatever else they would then call it) from the ground up.

DonaldDuck

AT


Besides, who wants to work on hardware from a company which designs their wireless phone to be held so you can't get reception.   When Apple said you weren't supposed to hold the iphone4 that way, there was a pic of Jobs holding it improperly.  Form over function. 

;-)

AMEN!
 
I do not know a more over-hyped company than Apple.  It's kinda scary at times.  Their users tend to have this cult-like mentality. 

 
 
.....DEFINITELY....!!!
 
They often seem to behave like "religious fundamentalists", as their "faith" get them to consider their "world" the "right one", so that anything "different" MUST be "wrong"...
Thus... they cannot/won't accept that good things exist somewhere else...
 
Of course it's JUST an analogy.... thankfully, we're talking of ephemere things here (...) ....

gothic.angel

DonaldDuck

AT


Besides, who wants to work on hardware from a company which designs their wireless phone to be held so you can't get reception.   When Apple said you weren't supposed to hold the iphone4 that way, there was a pic of Jobs holding it improperly.  Form over function. 

;-)

AMEN!
 
I do not know a more over-hyped company than Apple.  It's kinda scary at times.  Their users tend to have this cult-like mentality. 

 
 
.....DEFINITELY....!!!
 
They often seem to behave like "religious fundamentalists", as their "faith" get them to consider their "world" the "right one", so that anything "different" MUST be "wrong"...
Thus... they cannot/won't accept that good things exist somewhere else...
 
Of course it's JUST an analogy.... thankfully, we're talking of ephemere things here (...) ....

And you're NOT a religious fundamentalist for Microsoft?

jackn2mpu

 ...he probably is a stock boy for Best Buy or Staples...

 
...cant't you really see the point...?
 
If someone doesn't join your faith, than he must be wrong....
..If you knew my job... you and some "professors" would be silent for hours... but it is not MY point

I speak about OSes and Machines, and approach that generally people have towards them, sure, in my personal opinion...
...WHILE You make silly UNFAIR personal INSINUATIONS about the person (me).... which, I'm really sorry to notice, as you CAN'T know me...
...are the real IGNORANCE... that often makes people sort of "fundamentalists"...
 
As I dislike ANY sort of fundamentalism (ya see... I'm a gothic angel...),
 
...I wish you have a good day, man... I don't think you may deserve any further reply from me...
 
 
Regards, from Steve.

Sorry... you're opinions sound too biased to me...

...You don't even admit that we can't know each other... (!!!)

I won't reply any longer to that...

gothic.angel


To pjl:

You may allow me to let you notice that my point was to clarify that it should be taken for granted that we ALL speak for personal experience/preference, as too many times we hear the "song" "you don't like Macs cause you don't use 'em, otherwise you'd love 'em"...
As it is (of course....) quite subjective, IT'S NOT TRUE:
There are people outh there who use/have used Macs and just DON'T LIKE them...!!!

Is it that hard to be accepted...?
I personaly would never insinuate there's "ignorance" in persons I don't really know.... as that would be the biggest ignorance of all... my dear "professor"...

Steve.

I only know you from your posts and, if they are representative of who you are, then I have no trouble concluding that your are ignorant.  I have spent most of my professional life assessing peoples' knowledge and analytical abilities and I'm quite good at it.

pjl

... then I'll know I'm right about your ignorance.


If I really knew your job!?!  OK, impress me.  You are the one who declared yourself to be a computer technician.  That alone is no indication of any capacity for serious intellectual endeavour - and none of your posts so far have lead me to believe otherwise.

No, You DO NOT know, because you simply CAN'T... thus that's YOUR ignorance (in its literal meaning...)
 
by the way, I have NEITHER need NOR will to impress anybody... dear "professor"... it's you not "getting the point" here....
 
It was just an answer to the PRECONCEPTION that SOME Apple users show WHEN referring to somebody giving for granted they don't appreciate the "Mac World" because they don't know it....
 
Your (presumptuous) search for "indication of any capacity for serious intellectual endeavour" in all this question, is ridiculous and out of context...
 
You should have a bath of humility, professor...
 

I actually buy a Mac for the more refined less-clunky computer than the OS and that's why SONAR is on it on a Bootcamp partition.

you can install Windows on the hard Drive and decide what you want to use (Apple OS or Windows OS) on boot up

Both? Together? Just pretend the files don't exist when you install? I need more info on that man. :)

I had a Dell laptop for working on SONAR when traveling. Heavy, clunky, noisy, etc. I got a MBP. Sleek, clean, quiet, light, etc.. If one PC maker decided to actually build a good solid light computer, I'd buy it for SONAR.

Here is one I found:

http://derekhat.com/insta...book-without-bootcamp/