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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7?
2015/08/18 08:24:09
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Bristol_Jonesey
There is one thing which will eventually force even the most reluctant of us to upgrade to Win 10, and that is that Noel hinted recently that Sonar support for Win 7 will cease at some point in the not too distant future.
Yeah, that would do it for me.
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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7?
2015/08/18 09:23:52
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Not wanting to appear condescending, but, I have had very little problem adapting to 10 and I am by no means a computer tech guy whatsoever. I don't understand the logic behind knowing that in a very short time your OS is going to bite the dust. Why go to the trouble of upping to 10 and then immediately rolling back to 7, 8, Vista, etc....., when we all know that all windows versions beefore 10, according to microsoft, are dead in the water whether it's 6 months or 2 years from now?
if your computer meets the spec requirements and you know you have all your drivers ready, making the jump is probably going to be pretty painless. I learned on this forum how to disable the auto-downloads and other tweaks and I truthfully tell you that my computers have never run better! Even my poor old worn Acer dual core is running better than the day I bought it!
I don't advocate the features mentioned about privacy issues but I believe in due time the improvements in 10 will warrant a mandatory jump to whatever they decide to call the next jump to a NEW, IMPROVED OS.
At some point, you will HAVE to make a change. Whether it's jumping to 10 or Linux or a squeaky clean new Apple.
I would rather stay with an OS that is rooted to what I have used since 1996 than jump to Apple and have to learn a whole new workflow!
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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7?
2015/08/18 10:37:50
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☄ Helpfulby terrybritton 2015/08/21 22:42:58
You don't have to create an MS Account in Windows 10.
You can still use a local account.
That will disable OneDrive sync and some of the privacy issues mentioned.
In Windows 10 Pro it's easy to disable the things related to privacy issues and control updates.
Windows 10 has a better multi-threaded kernel than Windows 7 or 8.
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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7?
2015/08/18 10:49:26
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bitSync
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There is one thing which will eventually force even the most reluctant of us to upgrade to Win 10, and that is that Noel hinted recently that Sonar support for Win 7 will cease at some point in the not too distant future.
Yeah, that would do it for me.
OK. Upgrade. Thread over and out.
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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7?
2015/08/18 11:18:18
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jih64
I upgraded 2 laptops and a test Desktop from Windows 7 to Windows 10, they are all back on Windows 7. I just don't like it at all. the looks are enough to make me make the switch back, hideous. Someone up top said that it looked or was more like Windows 7, well it ain't like no Windows 7 I have ever known. I didn't let it near my 2 music PC's, but I guess the time will come down the track away, where the choice will have to be made, I am happy to wait until that time when software or hardware requirements make the change necessary, but until then I am very happy with a rock solid, blazing fast Windows 7 (never really noticed any 'noticeable' speed up with Win 10 in any area)
One thing I will say though, is that the installation of Windows 10 went as smooth as, everything seemed to work fine, only the new Windows Edge browser seemed a little flaky, especially with these forums. The roll back to Windows 7 was also as smooth as, with zero issues since on all 3 systems.
My beloved M-Audio Delta 1010 sound cards, of which I have 5 would most likely not work under Windows 10 anyway, there wasn't much luck under Win 8, and no hope for new drivers, and I don't really want to move on from them, certainly not to a USB/fire-wire alternative, and having 5 of them it will take some time for natural attrition to thin the herd, no doubt when that time comes I will kick myself for not moving on much sooner, but . . . they serve me well.
When the time comes to move on from Windows 7, I will be giving the Mac a serious look even if it means ditching Sonar, my other fav DAW, REAPER works fine on Mac, and I really do dislike Windows 10, even more than I do Apple. Hideous.
For my money, if you are happy with Windows 7, and it's working for you, stay put, by all means have a look at Windows 10 on another machine or whatever, then if you like it, that's up to you, but don't dive in head first with your main DAW machine, you may regret that :)
I have had plenty of people say how nice Windows 10 looks. And yes it does boot faster. Its the future and the support it will get is going to be much better than in the past for older OSs. If you have driver problems try Vista drivers or Win 7 drivers. Windows 10 is not as sensitive to drivers as 7 and 8 were. Plus its free now but it wont be free forever.
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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7?
2015/08/18 13:02:23
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The killer features for me were:
- uncontrollable Windows update
Just curious... do you have Windows 7 Home or Windows 7 Pro?
If you have Pro, those updates are not uncontrollable. That's only for the Home users.
Please cite references. All of mine are W7 Pro.
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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7?
2015/08/18 13:24:29
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jih64
I upgraded 2 laptops and a test Desktop from Windows 7 to Windows 10, they are all back on Windows 7. I just don't like it at all. the looks are enough to make me make the switch back, hideous. Someone up top said that it looked or was more like Windows 7, well it ain't like no Windows 7 I have ever known. I didn't let it near my 2 music PC's, but I guess the time will come down the track away, where the choice will have to be made, I am happy to wait until that time when software or hardware requirements make the change necessary, but until then I am very happy with a rock solid, blazing fast Windows 7 (never really noticed any 'noticeable' speed up with Win 10 in any area)
One thing I will say though, is that the installation of Windows 10 went as smooth as, everything seemed to work fine, only the new Windows Edge browser seemed a little flaky, especially with these forums. The roll back to Windows 7 was also as smooth as, with zero issues since on all 3 systems.
My beloved M-Audio Delta 1010 sound cards, of which I have 5 would most likely not work under Windows 10 anyway, there wasn't much luck under Win 8, and no hope for new drivers, and I don't really want to move on from them, certainly not to a USB/fire-wire alternative, and having 5 of them it will take some time for natural attrition to thin the herd, no doubt when that time comes I will kick myself for not moving on much sooner, but . . . they serve me well.
When the time comes to move on from Windows 7, I will be giving the Mac a serious look even if it means ditching Sonar, my other fav DAW, REAPER works fine on Mac, and I really do dislike Windows 10, even more than I do Apple. Hideous.
For my money, if you are happy with Windows 7, and it's working for you, stay put, by all means have a look at Windows 10 on another machine or whatever, then if you like it, that's up to you, but don't dive in head first with your main DAW machine, you may regret that :)
Yes they will. W10 has better legacy hardware support. I was afraid my FW410 would not work but it does. I have a system with a FW410, AP192 using Window 10. I had to roll back a system because of other issues but Windows 10 even supported my Terratec EWX/2496 running on Vista beat drivers.
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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7?
2015/08/18 13:35:01
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Bristol_Jonesey
There is one thing which will eventually force even the most reluctant of us to upgrade to Win 10, and that is that Noel hinted recently that Sonar support for Win 7 will cease at some point in the not too distant future.
Mac, or for me, just dump Sonar, and just continue using Windows 7 and REAPER, it is still supporting XP, there are many choices, and Sonar is just a tool, other tools can do the same thing and buy more time. There are people still using X1, 8.5 etc, so if one so chose, they could possibly carry on for quite a few years yet if they are happy with the status quo, and weren't to concerned about having the latest and greatest. Then again Windows 10 may evolve into something acceptable to me, as it is now, I just can't bare to look at it unfortunately.
Just because a developer stops supporting an OS doesn't mean it will no longer function or be less stable. I still have 32 bit software developed back when W95/98 was around that still functions great. Sony's Acid Pro which last was updated when people were still using XP runs fine. It even passed the Windows compatibility checker. Some software may just need a reinstall.
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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7?
2015/08/18 16:01:38
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I think it is telling that Easeus Todo software now sells a roll-back app that replaces W10 with W7/8. Hmmmm. Why would the make and sell an app nobody needs?
Also I don't know how you can "love" an operating system. I mean you can love your wife, love your dog, love your wife's sister, love your daughter's boyfriend's sister, but an OS? Hmmmmm.
Like the Koch brothers behind the scenes on Fox, it seems Cakewalk is much too eager to jump on the Win10 bandwagon. Sonar should support operating systems just as long as MS does, as in support Win7 until 2020, or until I build a new machine and am forced to upgrade. Remember, it is all about me.
I have a Delta 44 and no Win10 driver is currently available. Maybe never available. More hmmmmm. I know someone is going to reply to my post and tell me how nifty upgrading my hardware might be, but my reply is, "Why?". If it made me a better musician, I'm down, but you become a better artist by practicing your craft, not buying gadgets.
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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7?
2015/08/18 16:29:38
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One reason to not upgrade is that your devices may not work under Windows10. Unless the manufacturer has released an updated device driver, it won't work. I've been burned by that once before. Any M-Audio fans left out there after the Windows 7 fiasco?
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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7?
2015/08/18 17:03:15
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Does anybody know what "free for now..." means? Will the Windows 10 subscription model eventually require a monthly/yearly payment to keep the subscription active? Is getting the "free" version now just a one-year free head start on a regular payment model later? Or if you opt-in to Windows 10 now will your Windows 10 future be permanently "free" also? Or will there be a cost to purchase the Windows 10 license and then all future upgrades will be covered by the one-time cost of the license?
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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7?
2015/08/18 17:23:05
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There's a reason they're giving it away "free." After the disaster of Windows 8, it's what they have to do, to get people to leave their perfectly functioning Windows Seven. But it's not free. Forced updating (no it can't be disabled, only delayed if you have W10 Pro); Cortana (aka Big Sister), games that come with ads which can only be removed for a fee; but the worst is their new "Privacy Policy," which basically means that anything you put on One Drive is their property. This is a power grab of major proportions. Thank God for Linux. When Reaper gets their notation editor, Microsoft's last hold on me will be gone. Reaper runs in Linux.
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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7?
2015/08/18 19:12:02
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bitSync
rontarrant
stickman393
The killer features for me were:
- uncontrollable Windows update
Just curious... do you have Windows 7 Home or Windows 7 Pro?
If you have Pro, those updates are not uncontrollable. That's only for the Home users.
I think @stickman393 may have been referring to the baked-in Windows 10 automatic updating, which apparently requires some user intervention to disable, such as killing a running service process or editing the registry or unplugging the LAN cable... ...not sure which.
What I'm getting at is that Pro allows more control over upgrades, etc. than does Home.
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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7?
2015/08/18 19:14:55
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bitSync
Does anybody know what "free for now..." means? Will the Windows 10 subscription model eventually require a monthly/yearly payment to keep the subscription active? Is getting the "free" version now just a one-year free head start on a regular payment model later? Or if you opt-in to Windows 10 now will your Windows 10 future be permanently "free" also? Or will there be a cost to purchase the Windows 10 license and then all future upgrades will be covered by the one-time cost of the license?
Here's my guess (which is all anyone can make at this point): If things go well and billions get on board, MS will switch to subscriptions. If things don't go well and they lose OS market share, they'll keep throwing more and more free stuff at us until they get their market share back. Then they'll go to a subscription model. But it's just a guess. :)
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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7?
2015/08/18 19:47:06
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☄ Helpfulby bitSync 2015/08/20 13:37:12
I assume the OP hasn't seen our article covering the advantages of Windows 10 Bottom line is that it performs better than Win 8 and the cumulative improvements are generations ahead of Win 7. Whether you upgrade or not is up to you. If you don't need improved performance and can't spare the (small) investment of time to do the upgrade and check and software compatibility etc, then wait it out. I've been running it from day one on all my machines and have had only minimal problems. A trackpad scroll issue which Lenovo since fixed with a driver update. I've even enabled suspend on my desktop and it works ok. All prior OS's had issues with suspend/resume not working well. PS: Its super easy to try if you have some extra disk space. Just install it and see if it works. If it doesn't there is a fast rollback from within Windows 10 itself.
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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7?
2015/08/18 19:47:56
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daveny5
One reason to not upgrade is that your devices may not work under Windows10. Unless the manufacturer has released an updated device driver, it won't work. I've been burned by that once before. Any M-Audio fans left out there after the Windows 7 fiasco?
This caught me out with my Line 6 UX2, and they still haven't updated the drivers to be compatible with Windows 10. Unless you set the device to run at 16/48, some users have been unable to get any audio in or out, and Pod Farm crashes on opening.
post edited by SteveStrummerUK - 2015/08/18 19:56:01
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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7?
2015/08/18 20:11:48
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Can you use Windows 10 with the original Sonar Platinum (I have never installed any of the upgrades since I got it some time ago because it was working great on Windows 7.
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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7?
2015/08/18 20:46:09
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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7?
2015/08/19 02:59:21
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There's a reason they're giving it away "free." After the disaster of Windows 8, it's what they have to do, to get people to leave their perfectly functioning Windows Seven. But it's not free. Forced updating (no it can't be disabled, only delayed if you have W10 Pro); Cortana (aka Big Sister), games that come with ads which can only be removed for a fee; but the worst is their new "Privacy Policy," which basically means that anything you put on One Drive is their property. This is a power grab of major proportions. Thank God for Linux. When Reaper gets their notation editor, Microsoft's last hold on me will be gone. Reaper runs in Linux.
Where did you find this info (that I put in bold in your response)? I searched the privacy policy for onedrive and I couldn't find this anywhere... At least not in the privacy policy here in Europe (Belgium). Maybe it is different for other countries?
post edited by c5_convertible - 2015/08/19 03:07:40
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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7?
2015/08/19 04:03:23
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I did the free update to Windows 10 from the Icon on my desktop that told me my system was Window 10 compatible. After the update I went to watch you tube audio training videos and got either green screens or error messages. It turns out that my AMD APU A6-3620- Radeon HD6530D GPU is not compatible with Windows 10 even though Microsoft said it was.
I rolled back to Windows 7 because AMD has no intention of updating the driver for that GPU. All is back to normal. This is a 5 year old computer.
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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7?
2015/08/19 04:53:26
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John
I have had plenty of people say how nice Windows 10 looks. And yes it does boot faster. Its the future and the support it will get is going to be much better than in the past for older OSs.
If you have driver problems try Vista drivers or Win 7 drivers. Windows 10 is not as sensitive to drivers as 7 and 8 were.
Plus its free now but it wont be free forever.
Unfortunately I am not one of the 'plenty' It looks hideous On the 3 machines I installed on, I noticed no considerable/noticeable difference in boot speed, no I did not time it, but I can't recall thinking, 'wow that boots fast'. Plus I can't recall ever thinking 'gee I wish my PC would boot faster' It's a non issue to me, never had a problem with it, who cares if it did take an extra 10 seconds, it's certainly not a selling point to me, it doesn't even rate. M-Audio Delta 1010 (perhaps others of the Delta family) are reported NOT to work in Windows 10, Windows 8 was also apparently a bust. Zero hope of new drivers. Yes I could get new sound cards, that's not the issue, I like the 1010's. One day I will have to move on, that day is not yet. Free . . . well . . . you get what you pay for . . . cost is not an issue. [Edit] When I went to Windows 7 from XP, there wasn't a moment I thought about going back to XP, as soon as I booted up Windows 7, XP was dead. When I upgraded from Windows 7 to Windows 10, apart from the initial pretty picture/s at the login screen or whatever it was, there wasn't one moment I didn't want to go back to Windows 7, but I persevered for a couple of weeks, thinking that it may grow on me, it didn't. It may well be the best thing since sliced bread under that hideous exterior, I just can't bare to look at it to be honest, hideous is not a strong enough word. I just don't have an issue with what I am using now, and can't see that changing for a few years to come. When cake officially drop Windows 7 support, chances are Sonar will continue to function as expected for some time, plus one can always stay at whatever iteration of Platinum they are at, or just drop it, REAPER will continue to support Windows 7 for years to come, as they are still supporting XP to this day. The sky is not falling, there is no rush, there is no need or apparent reason to change at this time, unless you want to 
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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7?
2015/08/19 05:50:41
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M-Audio Delta 1010 (perhaps others of the Delta family) are reported NOT to work in Windows 10, Not surprising since, sadly, M-Audio is garbage when it comes to drivers. I had a Delta 1010 back in the Windows 98 days. Man did that thing have good sound, but poor software. When Windows 2000 came out, M-Audio said they were never going to support it because "WDM introduces a 30ms delay which is unacceptable for pro audio." Of course that's not the case with WMD/KS mode, which Cakewalk made me aware of. I, and I'm sure many others, contacted them and told them this. Eventually Windows 2000 drivers came out... that supported only 2 of the 10 channels. They said "That's all WDM can do, it is an OS limitation." That didn't sound right so I e-mailed MS, not really expecting anything, but I think they were sufficiently surprised with how dumb the question was that they answered and linked the relevant technet docs about how WDM does mluti-channel audio. I sent those to M-Audio (no response) and eventually months later proper drivers came out. ...well proper except that they didn't support interrupt sharing, which is mandatory as part of the PCI spec and so would have a problem depending on how you set your motherboard up. I finally got tired of it and sold the thing. Very sad, since as I said, just top notch audio section.
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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7?
2015/08/19 06:05:56
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Its funny you keep referring to Reaper when as far as looks go it is the butt ugliest DAW on the market. Yet Windows 10 is a very beautiful OS.
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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7?
2015/08/19 06:07:23
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John
Its funny you keep referring to Reaper when as far as looks go it is the butt ugliest DAW on the market. Yet Windows 10 is a very beautiful OS.
Ahhh . . . but have you looked into the custom themes available ? I think not ? And as they say "beauty is in the eye of the beholder"
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Fabio Rubato
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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7?
2015/08/19 07:47:24
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My concern is for the many VST's I have and how many manufactures state compatibility with 7, 8, 8.1 but no mention of 10. I just bought Xpander!2 the other day and no mention of 10 compatibility.
Has anyone experienced issues with their VST's not being compatible with 10?
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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7?
2015/08/19 08:31:38
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Fabio Rubato
My concern is for the many VST's I have and how many manufactures state compatibility with 7, 8, 8.1 but no mention of 10. I just bought Xpander!2 the other day and no mention of 10 compatibility.
Has anyone experienced issues with their VST's not being compatible with 10?
No. To be a little more forthcoming. Win 10 is not going to require any special coding for programs to run. It is far more insensitive to drivers version and it really doesn't care much about what programs you run. The development of Win 10 was very open and many took part in the preview program. This was not about getting it sooner but rather having some voice in how it progressed. When a problem came up MS was quick to fix it. It was tested on a lot more computers than any past version before the final version was released. There is no reason to expect trouble with it or problems due to it. Right now I have all my gear working well with it even though I do not have specific drivers for some gear for Win 10. Its fine using older drivers if there are no updated ones. We shouldn't be looking for trouble where there is none. It works well on just about any gear you throw at it. No hoops to go through. No angst to bother you. Its a fine OS that will work on your system with your gear.
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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7?
2015/08/19 08:55:38
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M.S. is likely trying the herd us all into one pen so they can then "update" Windows to a play to use model. That's why it is free kiddos. Your C drive and the setup you have going there is your toy for your use whenever you see fit - keep it that way Win 10 is "license to run software" run amok. Imagine if your Tonka toys went rental, you would have thrown a fit! The start menu isn't even that great. I'm sticking with 7 until kingdom come.
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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7?
2015/08/19 09:26:21
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The thing about the privacy concerns with Windows 10 is that if you think they aren't already tracking everything on previous versions, then you are being naive. They've just been more honest in the Windows 10 agreement.
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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7?
2015/08/19 09:40:39
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The advantages to the upgrade are legion and well documented. It's just a superior technology to 8 and 8.1 and much better that 7, particularly with multi-threaded apps. But that UI! I get that the Windows 10 design esthetic is different. There's much less window dressing and the icon styles are flat rather than 3d, as are the window borders. The style is intended to de-clutter the user experience by emphasizing content over distracting eye candy. Some people love it, some people hate it, but most people I would guess are like me; they shrug and get on with things. After all, things are structurally pretty much the same as they ever were. I spent essentially zero time trying to figure things out and got right to work. With experience, the thoughtful user develops a deeper understanding of what the design actually achieves; it puts the OS into the background where it belongs and puts the apps and content the user really needs at the forefront. Spending less time distracted by OS geegaws increases your productivity. That's the theory anyway. The reality is that Windows 10 works pretty much like Windows 7 for all practical purposes. Visually, most of what I see in Windows 10 is the desktop background, and I can make that look like anything I want. Then there's the taskbar and window borders and occasionally the Start screen. Those are somewhat customizable but that's limited. Most of where I spend all my time, Sonar, Office and developement tools all look exactly the same. In the end I saw no reason to avoid all of the advantages to the upgrade because of the lack of 3d borders and flat icons. That's just me. Then again, I felt the same way with 8 and millions of people felt otherwise.
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