Doktor Avalanche 
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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7?
2015/08/19 09:59:39
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John
We shouldn't be looking for trouble where there is none. It works well on just about any gear you throw at it. No hoops to go through. No angst to bother you. Its a fine OS that will work on your system with your gear.
With respect disagree esp with > It works well on just about any gear you throw at it. MS have done beta programmes for ages now, this one however is more open and has been marketed to the masses. May have been tested on more machines but there are only so many developers to fix issues. It may help to get their priorities better lined up however. What I'm seeing here after release is really no different to what happened after Windows 2000, XP,Vista, Windows 7, Windows 8 etc. It's business as usual other than a lot more people are migrating all at once. A few apps won't work, many drivers won't work. For most it will work however, hence many people are under the impression it will always work perfectly for somebody else, when the answer is not necessarily at all. There is a large amount of traffic complaining about driver incompatibility on the internet. The muddle generally sorts itself out after six months. Right now for me it's impossible to run Win10 on DAW installations because of driver issues but that will hopefully get fixed soonish. Not complaining, I will wait. However if people don't upgrade within the free period they are throwing away future support of Windows, Sonar, plugins and drivers. If they are happy with that I hope they don't come here and complain when it happens now or in future. Cheers...
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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7?
2015/08/19 10:23:28
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GregGraves
Like the Koch brothers behind the scenes on Fox, it seems Cakewalk is much too eager to jump on the Win10 bandwagon. Sonar should support operating systems just as long as MS does, as in support Win7 until 2020, or until I build a new machine and am forced to upgrade. Remember, it is all about me.
I smell the Illuminati at play here. 
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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7?
2015/08/19 10:35:13
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Microsoft is not your friend. How can I buy a complete laptop for $180 when the OS costs me $100? Answer: To punish people who build their own systems (me), and force them into a Dell or whatever. That is why their nickname is Microshaft. I don't see anyone here discussing the totally amazing things they can already do with Sonar on whatever OS you are using. Its like a totally beautiful woman, she's a 10 or 11. Yeah, she could do with a few tweaks, wee longer legs, bit of a lift here or there, but damn man, she's fantastic like she is. Same with Sonar. I could absolutely care less about "free" or $200 down the line. It just doesn't matter. Better threading? C'mon! Even with my currently way-less-than-ideal system, I have never run out oomph to get things done. I love Sonar. I love Cakewalk. I don't trust Microsoft.
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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7?
2015/08/19 10:40:44
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My desktop was built by me and I have no trouble installing Windows 10 on it, Mister Paranoid.
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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7?
2015/08/19 10:41:30
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☄ Helpfulby dcumpian 2015/08/20 08:17:47
Support for 7 ends in 2020. Most everyone will be getting new hardware between now and 2020. So if your Windows 7 system does everything you want it to DAW-wise, and it is not struggling at all, you are probably better standing pat because there COULD be compatibility with your hardware/audio interface or. Low chance of that happening, but still.
I have 10 on my media box and it works well so far. But I have my DAW setup just the way I like it with Windows 7. and I'm not near max-ing out the resources. So until I need hardware that can keep up, I'm standing pat on Windows 7 because I just don't need to spend the time re-doing everything (because Daddy likes the Nuke and Pave).
YMMV!
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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7?
2015/08/19 10:41:35
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and REAPER, it is still supporting XP,
Most drivers aren't though.
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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7?
2015/08/19 10:43:45
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hockeyjx
Support for 7 ends in 2020. Most everyone will be getting new hardware between now and 2020. MS libraries however may withdraw support meaning new software and updates will cease. That could mean Sonar stops development on this platform much earlier than you will expect. Security upgrades will continue however and you will be able to stick with what you have.
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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7?
2015/08/19 10:49:39
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True. If I need to change, I will. But I don't think that will happen for at least year or two. So there is no rush.
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Doktor Avalanche
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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7?
2015/08/19 10:51:32
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hockeyjx
True. If I need to change, I will. But I don't think that will happen for at least year or two. So there is no rush.
Well you will be paying for Win10 in approx 11 months... I agree don't rush into it but there is a time span. Cheers.
post edited by Doktor Avalanche - 2015/08/19 11:00:00
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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7?
2015/08/19 11:00:34
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Mr. Paranoid says:
True: you can upgrade an existing home-built machine to W10 for free
False: you will have to buy W10 on your replacement machine.
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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7?
2015/08/19 11:13:38
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Just one more happy Win10 user. The upgrade was brainlessly easy. When it was done doing its thing, everything was where it belonged, all programs and devices worked and the computer itself is snappy and responsive. I was coming from 7 which I loved, and I have no regrets with 10.
sven ... it's good to see some positive experience reports for '10'. Question: Are you experiencing anything significantly better now that you're on '10'? "No regrets" is way different than "Oh, Man! You gotta' do this!"
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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7?
2015/08/19 11:40:42
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Maybe time to share the most famous Superbowl commercial that only aired ONCE (Big Brother got me, couldn't resist)?
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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7?
2015/08/19 12:09:24
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Its Apple that resembles big brother not Microsoft. Only their approved software is allowed to run on their approved hardware. However, they are the ones that scream big brother about IBM and Microsoft. Its the big lie that for some reason people believe.
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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7?
2015/08/19 12:25:55
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John
Its funny you keep referring to Reaper when as far as looks go it is the butt ugliest DAW on the market. Yet Windows 10 is a very beautiful OS.
Need it be said? Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7?
2015/08/19 12:27:34
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kevinwal
Then again, I felt the same way with 8 and millions of people felt otherwise.
I'm with ya on this one too. We were a small group weren't we?!!
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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7?
2015/08/19 12:31:11
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The thing about the privacy concerns with Windows 10 is that if you think they aren't already tracking everything on previous versions, then you are being naive. They've just been more honest in the Windows 10 agreement.
Very true, and the reason I am methodically severing all ties to Microsoft. I had One Drive, but have moved everything to Box. Still have an Outlook account, but as soon as my slot comes up on Proton Mail, I will close my MS account. You want security? Proton Mail's servers are in a granite mountain in Switzerland. The developers are guys who used to work for Cern.
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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7?
2015/08/19 12:57:43
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MS has a track record of "disreputable" business practices. Many "free" things were offered to put competitors out of business for which they then charged for (Word vs. Word Perfect, buying Visio, then not allowing users to install purchased copies from the previous owner, et. al.). Only Intuit (Quicken) survived this barrage (MS Money flopped big time), and if it were not for Apple, anti-trust litigation could have been brought against them long ago (although they did lose the fight of "embedding" a browser into an O/S for those who remember).
I am hard-pressed not to see this "free" aspect being subsidized (by agencies), which want easy access to information (very efficient, effective, and "free"). Google has been "absorbing" data (for free) and putting companies out of business for years. If it is posted online, it is public domain; Google does it, and now MS can too.
[Insert hard drive manufacturer here]'s primary customer has been Google for years now. MS has more "control" than Google has, so they want their piece of the action (and have access to more information).
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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7?
2015/08/19 12:57:45
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michael diemer
There's a reason they're giving it away "free." After the disaster of Windows 8, it's what they have to do, to get people to leave their perfectly functioning Windows Seven. But it's not free. Forced updating (no it can't be disabled, only delayed if you have W10 Pro); Cortana (aka Big Sister), games that come with ads which can only be removed for a fee; but the worst is their new "Privacy Policy," which basically means that anything you put on One Drive is their property. This is a power grab of major proportions. Thank God for Linux. When Reaper gets their notation editor, Microsoft's last hold on me will be gone. Reaper runs in Linux.
Where did you find this info (that I put in bold in your response)? I searched the privacy policy for onedrive and I couldn't find this anywhere... At least not in the privacy policy here in Europe (Belgium). Maybe it is different for other countries?
I tried finding the article I got this from but couldn't (there's so much out there about privacy and windows 10 right now that it would take hours to go through it - itself a red flag). but look, here's the deal: At any time, Microsoft can send anything you put on One Drive to whatever gov't agency they think needs to see it. Your stuff, and they can do whatever they want with it. This means that for all intents and purposes, they own your stuff. If you say, well I have nothing to hide...you are giving away your freedom inch by inch. I don't have anything to hide either. That's not the point. The point is that America is supposed to be a free country, built on the idea of individual liberty and freedom from gov't oppression. But we're letting them take it, bit by bit.
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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7?
2015/08/19 13:12:17
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John
Its Apple that resembles big brother not Microsoft. Only their approved software is allowed to run on their approved hardware. However, they are the ones that scream big brother about IBM and Microsoft. Its the big lie that for some reason people believe.
So true but MS seems to do a better job as pissing people off. Rumor has it before W8 came out MS execs ignored that it wouldn't go over well.
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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7?
2015/08/19 13:13:57
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Mr. Paranoid says:
True: you can upgrade an existing home-built machine to W10 for free
False: you will have to buy W10 on your replacement machine.
Depends on the license. OEM - you will have to buy a new license.
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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7?
2015/08/19 13:30:09
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The new OEM license will come with your new PC.
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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7?
2015/08/19 13:42:57
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☄ Helpfulby terrybritton 2015/08/21 23:34:50
kitekrazy1
John
Its Apple that resembles big brother not Microsoft. Only their approved software is allowed to run on their approved hardware. However, they are the ones that scream big brother about IBM and Microsoft. Its the big lie that for some reason people believe.
So true but MS seems to do a better job as pissing people off. Rumor has it before W8 came out MS execs ignored that it wouldn't go over well.
I kinda agree with you. Much is due to perception not reality. Large corporations are never the best at public relations. MS did nothing to counter the smear campaign waged by Apple some years back. According to Apple and the popular press Apple invented MP3s, streaming music the portable MP3 player, Cell Phones. Tablets and the computer. At present they are the largest corporation on Earth. Yet they are never attacked by anyone. Everyone wants an Apple product. MS gives away an OS that cost them millions to developed and all we hear is how bad MS is. We know there has to be a catch here somewhere. Don't we?
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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7?
2015/08/19 14:01:27
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The start menu in Windows 10 is growing on me. I like it. I have things organized to my liking and it just works well. I did like the start menu in 8.1 but it wasn't as quick to get to things as 10's is.
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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7?
2015/08/19 16:12:37
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Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk]
I assume the OP hasn't seen our article covering the advantages of Windows 10
I had not seen it, but having just now read it, many of my wonderments have been addressed. Thank you for the link! Lots of other very helpful posts in here as well. Thanks to all!
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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7?
2015/08/19 16:25:26
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John
... Everyone wants an Apple product.
Not me. I've never owned an Apple anything, i- or otherwise.
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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7?
2015/08/19 16:46:23
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Me either. Hell, I don't even have a cell phone.
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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7?
2015/08/19 17:00:18
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☄ Helpfulby kennywtelejazz 2015/08/19 18:35:05
All people want is something that works good. Doesn't matter if it's Apple, Microsoft, Google or whatever. Apple proves they are willing to pay for it. I don't think Apple ever claimed they invented anything. They try to sell their version. I'd be happy with Microsoft if it wasn't so fussy. Since getting a MBP a year and a half ago and using it as a desktop I haven't thought about configuring things once to make it work. I haven't thought once about drivers. Or virus protection. Don't need a word processing app etc. I like Microsoft. And root for them. But it's been easier in a "closed big brother" system, which to me hadn't felt closed and I haven't worried about my data with them.
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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7?
2015/08/19 18:04:39
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I upgraded my laptop from 7 to 10 yesterday. Text characters are now blurry. A search on the net shows this to be a major problem experienced by many. No solutions seem to be available and MSoft aren't fessing up. There's no way I'm going to risk upgrading my desktop DAW until this is fixed; it would be a disaster for the small detail in Sonar and audio apps etc. 
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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7?
2015/08/19 18:42:27
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☄ Helpfulby Doktor Avalanche 2015/08/19 19:55:28
I always love when people get highly offended because no one accepts that a new OS is worth updating to. There are two rules that should always be followed when updating to a new OS. - Make sure that your drivers exist
- And make sure you've waited long enough for all the serious bugs have been worked out before you update a system that is attached to your daily workflow. (a home system that you play around on is fine, but if you have projects that are on deadline you had better be sure that the system is going to meet with no serious hangups or you will lose clients and work) Ive seen it happen to people) Its not a pretty site.
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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7?
2015/08/19 19:15:20
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I upgraded from a perfectly functioning Windows 7 to 10 because it was free, reports were that Sonar might perform better and I was bored. After the installation I did discover that Sonar was a bit snappier however my computer would lock up if left inactive for anywhere from 30 seconds to 5 minutes. I tried on and off for 2 days to correct the problem to no avail. I reverted back to 7 and all is well.
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