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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7?
2015/08/21 21:52:49
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Well it works for me, has done since '98, the first and only time I had the misfortune of a virus (was on a protected machine by the way). The 2 music PC's while technically connected to the net, only update stuff (Not Windows) have no virus, malware, whateverware installed or activated, no issues doing it this way for 17 years, they run trouble free and as fast as from one build to the next, never had a problem that was ever solved, or needed a Windows update to solve, not one that affected me or that I was aware of. Don't really have any PC issues, except for occasional buggy software type. The 3 machines that do frequent the net all have a certain level of protection, I feel quite safe, I don't download stuff from questionable sites, nor do I visit them, only reputable, and I know that is no guarantee, and there has been cases, but the only way to be 100% safe is to stay off the net and never install anything, not exactly conducive to enjoyment
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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7?
2015/08/21 21:59:59
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Yup about time we got another Rap Pro service pack as was promised..
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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7?
2015/08/22 14:31:22
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☄ Helpfulby John 2015/08/22 14:47:51
I wouldn’t consider Win 10’s improvements in native WDM based audio and MIDI drivers “bugs” per se, they just perform better with reduced buffer size and lower latency at “near” Pro Audio ASIO performance. These improvements, no final release as of yet only effect those using native WDM drivers, not ASIO. I have now upgraded 3 computers to Win 10 Pro and am ultimately pleased with the noticeable boost in performance and very surprising stability and built in support for such a new OS. I had also performed very successful OS roll backs to Win 7 Ultimate and 8.1Pro and back again on two of my machines before even considering upgrading my main whip workstation with excellent results. Even so, for an extra measure of security, I had “CLONED” and replaced my workstation’s WD VelociRaptor 10k rpm boot drive with a brand new one before upgrading from Win 7 Ultimate for a very quick and easy swap out just in case. I’m not saying that I would recommend upgrading as of yet for un tech savvy users on their main computer as only one of my upgraded machines went 100% smoothly for full 3rd party driver support, and it did take roughly a week for all machines to update fully, be tested, smooth out, generally notice improvements, and explore and understand new features. I experienced a few scary and annoying driver issues with older hardware that the installer passed, but didn’t function properly or at all, but all where straightened out with a little effort. Number one issue was with nVidea graphics drivers on one of my machines. The best solution for this I would recommend is making sure your drivers are up to date before plunging in to an OS upgrade. Number two and scariest issue was, although my ancient M-Audio 1010 with latest driver version 6.0.8 would run great with SONAR X3 Producer, Vegas Pro 11, and Sound Forge Pro 10, it wouldn’t stream audio from the Internet, and I’d get a report that all .mp3 and .wav files stored on my computer where all unsupported formats on all media players. I solved this problem by opening the M-Audio control panel, click on “Hardware” tab and setting the default sample rate from the installer’s choice of 96k/HZ to 48k/Hz, and setting ASIO/WDM buffer size to 256 samples and “SAVED” it as a user config. For some reason, if it’s not saved in the Delta 1010 control panel, next time SONAR runs (if set to 24/96 default for all new projects)it would default the 1010’s hardware setting back to 96k/Hz. Also I would get an error report if I set the 1010 to 44.1k/Hz. Third and last issue was my old PCR-500 MIDI Keyboard Controller. Once again, I’d like to thank Amitte here in the Cakewalk Forums for the driver solution for bring my Roland/Edirol PCR 500 to life in Win 10. All that being said, I’m now VERY HAPPY with Win 10 all across the board, I believe due to Win 10’s newer and universal API structure to support all devices from desktops to handheld gadgets, supports much more efficient and smaller footprint on system resources than Win 7. Both SONAR X3 Producer and Platinum have noticeably better load balancing across all cores, better memory management, and significantly faster file rendering and storage management that Win 7. HUGE performance boost with Sony Vegas Pro 11! “WOWZER” comes to mind. I can now run more and hard hitting processing intensive video plug ins with much smoother video monitoring set to highest playback setting and still be able to render projects in a seriously snappy fashion. Win 10 has clearly turned my AMD FirePro v5900 into a killa piece. :o) Anyhoo, I really hope sharing my experiences helps. Yeah, all computers are different and nothing here guarantees your experience will be the same, but I feel very confident that this is the best, smoothest, and easiest upgrade since Win 2000, and I for one am a very happy believer. :o)))
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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7?
2015/08/22 15:36:15
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☄ Helpfulby John 2015/08/22 18:46:07
Hi,I'm an old man and in no way a computer expert but why upgrade? Just to stay in the loop and from where I am and until now,everything went smoothly, as it have been said somewhere ,old Layla 3 G drivers where recognised at once and old M Audio prokeys sono works at least as well as with Win7 if it ain't better,even a hardware reverb which is not anymore supported by the brand works smoothly,just had to register XLN addictive drums but even with a connexion where one giga means six hours,it took fifteen minutes. Just to say that from my point of view ,one can have a look to this upgrade.
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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7?
2015/08/22 16:54:31
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So, what's the score at this point? Win7 = 10 Win10=11 ?
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jih64
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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7?
2015/08/22 18:36:04
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Steev Number two and scariest issue was, although my ancient M-Audio 1010 with latest driver version 6.0.8 would run great with SONAR X3 Producer, Vegas Pro 11, and Sound Forge Pro 10, it wouldn’t stream audio from the Internet, and I’d get a report that all .mp3 and .wav files stored on my computer where all unsupported formats on all media players. I solved this problem by opening the M-Audio control panel, click on “Hardware” tab and setting the default sample rate from the installer’s choice of 96k/HZ to 48k/Hz, and setting ASIO/WDM buffer size to 256 samples and “SAVED” it as a user config. For some reason, if it’s not saved in the Delta 1010 control panel, next time SONAR runs (if set to 24/96 default for all new projects)it would default the 1010’s hardware setting back to 96k/Hz. Also I would get an error report if I set the 1010 to 44.1k/Hz.
(Don't know how this will go, the forum is all messed up, like all over the place, like just text without formatting, looks hideous (there's irony for ya) same in both Firefox and IE, anyway here I go) Hi steev, Interesting to read your comments about the delta 1010, I found another person on the REAPER forums yesterday who had success with the 1010 and Windows 10, he reports no issues what so ever using the final 6.0.8 driver, most others I speak to claim it a no go, they also claimed that for Win 8 (which I bypassed altogether) Have you just done the in place upgrade, or have you gone on to do a clean install ? I might clone the system drive on one of my music PC's to a new identical drive, then swap out the original system drive and try an in place upgrade to Windows 10 to see first hand what the go is, that way I still have the original drive untouched by Windows 10 vile hand. Don't think I will make it a permanent thing though, even if all goes well for the 1010 until there is a way to make Windows 10 less nauseous
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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7?
2015/08/23 09:21:39
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Well after reading that the Delta 1010 was a no for a lot of people in Windows 10 and 8 for that matter, then reading that a few people said it worked on Windows 10, and again 8 for that matter, and an official from M-audio saying it might possibly work but he wouldn't risk it, I decided to find out for myself. So I cloned the C drive on one of my Music PC's (identical to the one in my sig) to a new identical hard drive, swapped out the original, all good, hit the Windows 10 upgrade, just like on my other 3 systems I done, it went as smooth as silk. What do you know, my beloved Delta 1010 seems to work like a dream, so far so good, some issues with some plugins needing to be re authorized etc, but the majority are fine, I'll leave the ones that want to be re authorized until I put Windows 10 through a bit more testing. As with the other 3 machines I done everything else seems to work fine. It's just that blinding white everything . . . snowblind . . . I hate it, no distinction between various parts, no colour, sharp edges, bland blinding white nothingness, it's hideous. But I will see if there is any way to make it so I can look at it without having my eye's melt, I looked before but found nothing acceptable, otherwise it will be roll back number 4. At least I know first hand that the Delta 1010 works fine.
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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7?
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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7?
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☄ Helpfulby Doktor Avalanche 2015/08/23 18:11:04
Hey Jeff, All my upgrade/installs were done by upgrading existing setups, OS, apps, and configurations using a downloaded copy of Win 10 installed from an .ISO file on my hard drive second from a DVD, and 3rd from USB 3 flash drive made by using the Windows Media Creation Tool. Yes it does take longer manually downloading the OS and creating media, but I’m one of those “Old Schoolers” who believes it’s vitally important to have a physical copy of all software on hand in case something goes wrong, and easy access for installing new system builds. All upgrades including the preinstall search for current updates (which took less than an hour), roll backs (about 15 minutes), and reinstalls were successful. Win 10 keeps a perfect image file of your original OS in an “Old Windows” folder for 30 days for those who decide to roll back. Reinstallations took less time than the original upgrade as all updates were kept in the Win 10 folder and I was greeted with a “Welcome Back” window taking over updating process where the earlier install left off. I think it’s also very much worth mentioning for those manually downloading Win 10 to make sure you CAREFULLY take note and NOTICE the web address hasn’t been redirected away from MICROSOFT. “DO NOT DOWNLOAD AND INSTALL THE MEDIA CREATION TOOL AND WIN 10 FROM ANY WEBSITE OTHER THAN MICROSOFT!” There has already been “Ransomware” versions released, and once this poison gets in your system, you WILL have to pay the ransom to unlock your OS and wonder if they even get it all out. Ummm, maybe??? That a horrific place to be in..
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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7?
2015/08/23 15:55:37
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I cannot confirm, but I have read here and in the hardware forum that the VS-700 console may not have the full feature set under Win 10. If that turns out to be true, that is an incentive for me to say on 7. I am not panicking yet because I don't have all the facts. One interesting note: A Cakewalk/Gibson employee we all know and love says most strange, hard-to-diagnose issues he sees are interactions with Windows more than Cakewalk bugs. That matches my experience. I have had a lot of isses others don't have and they all seem to trace back to faulty system set-up.
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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7?
2015/08/23 17:45:31
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I wouldn't upgrade either if I couldn't have my gear work with it. I think this is sound common sense. What I understand is Win 10 does a good job of using older drivers as long as they are written in a way that wouldn't prevent them from loading or installing due to polling the OS for its version. I believe this is a problem with some Roland drivers. I recall when I upgraded FXpansion's BFD2 on Vista it would not install on a 64 bit system. I found a work around for it but it was a restriction imposed by FXpansion not Microsoft. I'm not sure why some developers do this or make it hard to move to a new OS for no good reason.
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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7?
2015/08/23 19:06:47
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bapu So, what's the score at this point? Win7 = 10 Win10=11 ?
Win8.1 = 1 I get why it's wise to eventually upgrade. The thing I don't understand is why it is so darn compelling for folks to upgrade right f-in NOW. I WILL eventually upgrade to WinX, but it will be a Pro edition with new hardware when the time for new hardware comes. Drivers and other little niggles should be worked out really well by then. If a single key-stroke changes in a Sonar release, this place goes bonkers and people are STILL willing to risk varying degrees of ACU (Apple Cart Upset) to get on WinX. What is the near-term gain that makes people get in a hurry? Seriously, I'm not judging, I want to know what works sooooooo much better with 10 than 7 or 8 that makes the risk worth taking?
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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7?
2015/08/23 19:18:29
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BobF I get why it's wise to eventually upgrade. The thing I don't understand is why it is so darn compelling for folks to upgrade right f-in NOW. I WILL eventually upgrade to WinX, but it will be a Pro edition with new hardware when the time for new hardware comes. Drivers and other little niggles should be worked out really well by then. If a single key-stroke changes in a Sonar release, this place goes bonkers and people are STILL willing to risk varying degrees of ACU (Apple Cart Upset) to get on WinX. What is the near-term gain that makes people get in a hurry? Seriously, I'm not judging, I want to know what works sooooooo much better with 10 than 7 or 8 that makes the risk worth taking?
Agree. You have 11 months. I guess a lot of people get excited about OS updates. I remember when people queued around the block to get Windows 95 (whilst the rest of us laughed who were using the beta versions). I used to get excited about OS upgrades, but these days there isn't that much to get excited about about once you've cut through the marketing message..
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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7?
2015/08/23 20:19:07
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BobF
bapu So, what's the score at this point? Win7 = 10 Win10=11 ?
Win8.1 = 1 I get why it's wise to eventually upgrade. The thing I don't understand is why it is so darn compelling for folks to upgrade right f-in NOW. I WILL eventually upgrade to WinX, but it will be a Pro edition with new hardware when the time for new hardware comes. Drivers and other little niggles should be worked out really well by then. If a single key-stroke changes in a Sonar release, this place goes bonkers and people are STILL willing to risk varying degrees of ACU (Apple Cart Upset) to get on WinX. What is the near-term gain that makes people get in a hurry? Seriously, I'm not judging, I want to know what works sooooooo much better with 10 than 7 or 8 that makes the risk worth taking?
Bob you are asking some good questions. For me I have always been an early adopter when it was feasible for me to be one. I don't deal much in beta software but I will if I can isolate it and test it. I have watched MS advance greatly in delivering working OSs for some time now. With XP MS seem to get it right as far as an OS that was very stable. This has been true for all of the releases since then. Vista worked out of the box for me with no problems. The same for 8 and 8.1. I tested Windows 10 before it was released and found it downright solid. I like the elimination of the distinction between apps and programs. A major upgrade to me. Windows 10 seems more compact yet provides everything Win 8.1 did only better. Its installed on all of my computers. BTW Noel has a blog about Windows 10 that will explain many of its features for audio and MIDI. Another thing which is part of my personality is I like to learn new things. It stimulates me. Gets the mind working. Not everyone has the same view. Many prefer to wait and see and then test the water. Or upgrade when they have to. I guess the way Sonar 2015 is setup is ideal for someone like me. Something to look forward to. To sink my teeth into and progress a little. With Windows 10 its more of the same sort of thing. I'm not going to hold others to this way of thinking. Everyone has a right to their own comfort zone. For me it is a great time in cyberspace.
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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7?
2015/08/23 20:47:30
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Does anyone know if win 10 is more efficient? Does Sonar/Cakewalk all versions work with win 10 or is that there next scheme to suck more money out of us. Not supporting older versions? I am looking for a new DAW. I used Cakewalk Producer for ever, Every upgrade and now they come out with platinum and an excuse to charge again. Any suggestions for alternative? thanks.
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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7?
2015/08/23 20:56:47
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BobF I get why it's wise to eventually upgrade. The thing I don't understand is why it is so darn compelling for folks to upgrade right f-in NOW. ... If a single key-stroke changes in a Sonar release, this place goes bonkers and people are STILL willing to risk varying degrees of ACU (Apple Cart Upset) to get on WinX.
Oh, I would bet strongly that the people who go bonkers about small changes to Sonar, and the Windows 10 early adopters are entirely separate groups. And that's totally fine, of course. As to your main question, I don't think it's compelling at all. Some people are interested and curious about it, that's all.
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jih64
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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7?
2015/08/23 21:02:22
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Shreddi Does anyone know if win 10 is more efficient? Does Sonar/Cakewalk all versions work with win 10 or is that there next scheme to suck more money out of us. Not supporting older versions? I am looking for a new DAW. I used Cakewalk Producer for ever, Every upgrade and now they come out with platinum and an excuse to charge again. Any suggestions for alternative? thanks.
There are plenty of alternatives, but sometimes that's all they end up as, alternatives, although if you are use to Sonar, that might be a good place to stay. The upgrade to Platinum/Producer or Artist, Platinum for me, is well worth every cent. As for Windows 10, I didn't really notice all that much more efficiency/speed etc on my 2 laptops and test machine, although on 1 of my main DAW machines that I just upgraded to test I can notice an improvement. Windows 10 seems to handle older hardware much better than it's predecessors, not sure about software, but all my stuff seems to work fine. According to all the blurb from those who should know, Windows 10 is an improvement all round, so . . . If I can get past the issue I have with it, purely aesthetic, I'll be jumping onboard.
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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7?
2015/08/23 21:09:48
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Shreddi Does anyone know if win 10 is more efficient? Does Sonar/Cakewalk all versions work with win 10 or is that there next scheme to suck more money out of us. Not supporting older versions? I am looking for a new DAW. I used Cakewalk Producer for ever, Every upgrade and now they come out with platinum and an excuse to charge again. Any suggestions for alternative? thanks. Suggest you read this: http://static.cakewalk.com/cakewalk/products/sonar/release_notes/Welcome_to_the_SONAR_Gloucester_update.pdf Sonar runs on Win 7 and above, I don't expect it to change any time soon. Upgrade to Win10 (for free) and you will get longer support. If you are running earlier versions of windows (before 7) not even MS is supporting them, so it seems entirely reasonable that Cakewalk isn't either. I don't subscribe to the idea that somehow it's an excuse and sucking money out of us. If you don't need it or want it then don't buy it. Nobody is forcing you. Cakewalk isn't a charity either. Cheers..
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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7?
2015/08/23 21:12:13
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Shreddi Does anyone know if win 10 is more efficient? Does Sonar/Cakewalk all versions work with win 10 or is that there next scheme to suck more money out of us. Not supporting older versions? I am looking for a new DAW. I used Cakewalk Producer for ever, Every upgrade and now they come out with platinum and an excuse to charge again. Any suggestions for alternative? thanks.
Wow what a downer of a post. I'm not sure what you mean about them having an excuse to charge more? CW has to make money to stay in business. As far as I know all recent versions of Sonar work in Windows 10. Unless you have evidence to the contrary and the fact you claim to have all versions of Sonar you shouldn't have any problem finding one that will run. If its too big an amount for you you can go for the monthly pay plan if you like. This is not the place to elicit recommendations for other DAWs. Its rather insulting to say the least.
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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7?
2015/08/23 21:48:05
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My guess is that Cakewalk will support Windows 7 at least through 2016. Windows 8 was a bust, and thus, not that many users on it. Many people won't adopt a new platform until their hardware is shot. Many DAW users won't switch if they have to buy new, compatible gear. I am sure Cakewalk has projections on these numbers and has worked that in to their business plan. I don't care if Win 10 is free now, I will stand pat on what I have until there is a practical(for me) reason to upgrade.
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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7?
2015/08/23 21:52:35
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hockeyjx My guess is that Cakewalk will support Windows 7 at least through 2016. Windows 8 was a bust, and thus, not that many users on it.
You can count on it. Win8.x will be longer. It was hardly a bust btw, it was pretty successful in the end. Some bloggers and jounos would have you believe otherwise of course. Same people who are probably complaining about Win 10.
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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7?
2015/08/23 22:15:55
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My Dell business rep has only sold THREE WIN 8 MACHINES in the years Win 8 has been out. THREE! Otherwise it has been Windows 7. If not for it being on new equipment, and users had the choice of actually buying it, Windows 8 would go down as the most epic bust EVER. I run an IT shop, and I can't find too many people who "LOVE" or even "REALLY LIKE" Windows 8 because of the workflow (read: lack of a start menu). Of course 8 and 10 have performance advantages, but the general population hated it because of the workflow that was thrust on them.
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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7?
2015/08/23 22:28:16
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hockeyjx My guess is that Cakewalk will support Windows 7 at least through 2016. Windows 8 was a bust, and thus, not that many users on it.
You can count on it. Win8.x will be longer. It was hardly a bust btw, it was pretty successful in the end. Some bloggers and jounos would have you believe otherwise of course. Same people who are probably complaining about Win 10.
Not sure what planet you've been living on, Dok, but Windows 8 was so poorly received that market watchers were actually talking about the end of the PC, as sales plummeted. The fact that you and a few others like it does not change reality. I don't understand the mentality that says, "Hey, I like this, everyone else should to! and if they don't, they're all part of a blog-conspiracy."
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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7?
2015/08/23 22:40:23
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hockeyjx My Dell business rep has only sold THREE WIN 8 MACHINES in the years Win 8 has been out. THREE! Otherwise it has been Windows 7. If not for it being on new equipment, and users had the choice of actually buying it, Windows 8 would go down as the most epic bust EVER.
Check the pie chart. Don't forget there are two versions of windows 8 to accommodate for here (two slices of pie).. Windows 7 is by far dominant of course, but if you compare Win8.x with all the other OS's hardly a disaster. https://www.netmarketshar...&qpcustomd=0 Maybe Vista was.
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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7?
2015/08/23 23:10:25
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Yeah, in my book Vista and Windows 8/8.1 were flops, but in the end Vista was tolerable and even OK with me. It looks like Windows 10 will be a good OS in general and as a host for a DAW, but Microsoft better fix the Activation issues with some quickness or it will end up being a flop for a while, until they get it right. I must admit I'm a Cakewalk fan and a Windows fan, so I do want Windows 10 to be a hit, especially since Microsoft is showing some attention to the music production community and trying to improve the new OS for DAW work and performance.
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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7?
2015/08/24 00:07:36
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☄ Helpfulby Doktor Avalanche 2015/08/24 04:44:35
hockeyjx My Dell business rep has only sold THREE WIN 8 MACHINES in the years Win 8 has been out. THREE! Otherwise it has been Windows 7. If not for it being on new equipment, and users had the choice of actually buying it, Windows 8 would go down as the most epic bust EVER. I run an IT shop, and I can't find too many people who "LOVE" or even "REALLY LIKE" Windows 8 because of the workflow (read: lack of a start menu). Of course 8 and 10 have performance advantages, but the general population hated it because of the workflow that was thrust on them.
Sounds like our IT guy (computer dept.) who we have large account with Dell. They don't want to learn anything new. Could be benefit to company but its not their company and they are satisfied with old tech cause they know it. Ran IT also for over 45 years. Users hate change. There is a start menu and geez what was there before that a c: prompt but people got it. Roll with the technology or it will roll over you. Had to hire to support the largest tour travel company in U.S. Then after a decade write again. Millions of lines of code. Then the Users complained about learning something new. The new ones learned it and loved it. Always going to have dinosaurs who are narrow minded. Tech is going to change faster then ever, usually for the better. Lets see if win 10 is a bomb, but first take the time to learn and understand it.
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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7?
2015/08/24 01:58:17
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Is Lynx AEs16e working fine with Windows 10?
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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7?
2015/08/24 04:40:36
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Actually it is hilarious. I remember win 95 coming out and users complaining about the new start menu. Huge arguments they wanted program manager back.They were not interested at all in doing a couple of hours of training. I suspect those same users are the ones complaining about start screens now. Oh the irony.
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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7?
2015/08/24 07:33:19
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Well I have gone from an avid hater, um, dis-liker, to be slowly becoming comfortable with Windows 10, I have the aesthetic problem under control, not perfect, but good enough for now, it takes that bright white everywhere away, marvelous the difference a splash of colour makes. And it seems from info on the Windows Insider site, that MS will be adding more colour options/customization available in the near future. Pretty much was my only issue, well apart from thinking my Delta 1010's wouldn't work, but that's all good. Give it a few more days or a week giving everything a thorough work out, and if all is still good, I guess I'll be 100% Windows 10, who'd have thought, certainly not me
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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7?
2015/08/24 08:00:31
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Win 8.1 is fawesome!!! Long Live Win 8.1!!
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