I got my money out! Let me buy it already!

bigboi
I left Sonar after X2....went with Studio One and eventually landed in Cubase. I have to say I am extremely happy with it.

I hear you about cubase. Studio One not so much.  I do a lot of collaborations with folks who use other DAWs, so I've invested in Reason, Cubase, Finale and Sibelius over the last few months.  Sonar is my main DAW still, and that will probably be the case with x3.  The others are very good at some things... reason's routing and cv is very cool because i learned synthesis on a 70's moog modular beast that was about ten feet wide and three feet deep.  Cubase has their amazing media bay (with loads of metadata for the librarian in me) that makes field recording archival a snap, but i find myself loading samples and then saving as omf files and opening in sonar to work with... and i just recorded a vocalist friend of mine who was in toulouse, france using vstconnect without a hitch.  
Sonar has its weaknesses, but the whole "grass is greener" adage was never more apparent now that i've built my little studio for the next couple of years.  Sonar's midi editing is way way easier than cubase or reason for the simple idea that you can view multiple tracks at the same time in one prv screen.  This makes harmonization and timing super super easy - it's the best and most intuitive i've used.  try opening multiple tracks in reason (umm... you can't) or cubase (ummm... how do i know which note goes with which instrument????).  i've said it before, and i'm saying it again - sonar has the potential to be the DAW of the future, and i think that going with gibson, esp now that anderton is there, is a portent for greatness. 

bigboi
I left Sonar after X2....went with Studio One and eventually landed in Cubase. I have to say I am extremely happy with it.

LMAO!!! I did exactly the same thing.

oh, one more thing... 
on the other forums i see a lot of this....
 
op -"i have this problem - i can't figure this and that out..."
re1 -"have you tried this... "
op - "nope that didn't work"
re2 -"have you tried that"
op - "didn't work either"
op  - "ok i figured it out!!!" (3 days later)
re1 - "what worked for you???"
re2 - "how'd you get it???"
re3 - "hey, i'm having the same problem! how did you fix it???"
re4 - "hey, i'm having the same problem! how did you fix it???"
op - silence, disappears from forum for two months, and then reappears with a new problem which mimics the last
 
'nuff said.
 

For me, sonar has always very, very fincky with VST's, especially those that employ oversampling. Lot's of crashes, wierd repeating looping freezes, and you can't edit smoothly while engine is in playback.
 
Here's a link for sc in cubase (works in all versions since 5)::
 
http://www.gearslutz.com/board/music-computers/785080-how-use-sidechain-plugins-cubase-5-a.html

TerraSin

dubdiscipleTerrasin..i get it.  I'm sure if my experience with Cakewalk was similar to yours I would feel the same way. I guess take a look at demo when it is released and go from there.  Why do you despise Gibson?

Because they own Tascam who will be distributing Sonar. They are a useless company with useless products and useless programmers who make useless drivers which cause you to call their useless tech support. In fact, I sold my DM4800 to buy a VS-700.

sounds like Tascam did you wrong, but many of us started on tascams weather reel 2 reels or the mk424, porta studios.
Tascam has put out some brilliant product through out the years and we might not be sitting here if not for Tascam.
sure there would be digital audio software but not the same way.
 
Tascam paved the road for many musicians, many programmer's got ideas from 4 track concepts and Tascam was the biggest in moving them next to fostex which was  les paul's idea, yes, les paul invented the overdub 4 track as we know it.
 
your comment is a very strong statement and far from the truth not useless at all.
they might not have been the innovators of audio soundcards or driver support :)
but they are as I said far from useless.

sharke
With regard VST3 and Waves, I'm not sure what that means. Does it mean reinstalling all of my existing Waves plugs? If so, does that mean I'll lose all of my Waves plug settings in projects? I'm also curious as to how Waves plugs will work in Sonar X3 in general, particularly with regard to some of the glitchy GUI operation. I really hope that is all fixed. 

I doubt it. I have not seen Sonar X3 in any form, but what will likely happen is that the plugin scanner will now scan the common VST 3 directory (found in C:\Program Files\Common Files\VST3). There should already be a file there called WaveShell-VST3(something something).vst3. If it's there, you don't need to do anything.
 
The VST2 Waves shell isn't going away anywhere, and most likely, Sonar will detect it as well and load it with any old projects that use the VST2 version of Waves. I would hope QA and the Beta Testers thoroughly tested all possible scenarios.
 
Oh, and the GUI instability is most likely due to driver issues. If you have a 3-D accelerated video card, and that acceleration is enabled with Sonar, they should work. I find it pretty ridiculous that audio software should have a risky dependency on 3-D accelerators just to make the plugins pretty, but what can one do?

SteveStrummerUK
 
Does anyone know if there's a list of plug-ins that come in VST3 versions anywhere?
 
I tried KVR as the most obvious place to look but they don't seem to have such a list.

http://www.kvraudio.com/q..?search=1&q=&f1[]=vst3 
Link gets broken, maybe the forum software isn't VST3 compatible... ;)
 
 

Wohoo!! X3 has everything I need.!!! Just a question. What about 64bit QT video support?

Like a few others I already have Melodyne, XLN Drums and they're both superb.  But I always buy the upgrades (since Sonar 2) because the product has given me immense fun and fulfilment over the years.  I can't wait for X3.
 
Oh can someone enlighten me as to what benefits I should see from VST3 over VST2?
 
John 

other VST3 plugs include audiodamage, dmg and u-he, quality stuff :)

I am holding off all opinions until I see whats under the hood.
 
From my side, I will be VERY happy if there is much better video support, but we shall see. (So far a You Tube export option doesnt really fill me with glee but that could be the tip of the iceberg)

Full version of Addictive drums?
Does it mean that I can use it (if I need to) in any other DAW?
If so I think I'm uppgrading soon. I need a new drum synth. Session drummer is very ....ehh.. basic 

FCCfirstclass
A real tape sim...great!

As much as I hate to be a noob getting all excited about new plugins, that s pretty interesting! I have ReelBus, which is nice and I have been one mouse-click away from buying the UAD Ampex ATR-102 (which is fantastic, but pretty expensive) several times, but I'm still intrigued to see what the bakers have come up with!