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Re: X3...here it is..for real! Sept. 28th ship date? wow 2013/09/25 16:46:14 (permalink)
Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk]
 
Thanks for the report about bounce latency compensation and bitbridge. I'm not sure if that was ever logged so please list the CWBRN if you have it. Bitbridge does add a fixed latency for its bridging. I will look into the compensation issue.



Oh and before that, I reported it specifically with FL studio, that's the plugin I used when I noticed the problem, 
 
CWBRN-10529 has been submitted to dev team from what I know. 
 
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Re: X3...here it is..for real! Sept. 28th ship date? wow 2013/09/25 16:51:14 (permalink)
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X3 has very deep ARA integration with Melodyne (or any other future plugins that support the ARA protocol). Both ARA and VVocal fall under the region FX umbrella and are equally supported. So VVocal will work exactly as before (in fact in some ways it works better). As long as its installed from a prior version of SONAR old projects containing it will load fine.
Take lanes have gone through a massive update and the implementation is light years ahead of anything in prior versions. There are new tools, and commands. If you do a lot of audio comping, this new comp tool will be very useful. Don't go by the sparse info in what you saw. There are tons of deeper features in X3. There will be marketing videos and articles that go into much greater depth with the features soon.



Awesome on the bolded points above!!!  I, for one, am a very excited Sonar user!  Thanks for all your hard work, Noel (and company)!
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Re: X3...here it is..for real! Sept. 28th ship date? wow 2013/09/25 16:53:59 (permalink)
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What is the boutique suite?




 
It's a misprint.
 
It should actually read as 'Boutique Suit'.
 
Free with X3, but as yet, only available for ladies of the opposite sex....
 
 


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Re: X3...here it is..for real! Sept. 28th ship date? wow 2013/09/25 16:59:23 (permalink)
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Sonar has its weaknesses, but the whole "grass is greener" adage was never more apparent now that i've built my little studio for the next couple of years.  Sonar's midi editing is way way easier than cubase or reason for the simple idea that you can view multiple tracks at the same time in one prv screen.  This makes harmonization and timing super super easy - it's the best and most intuitive i've used.  try opening multiple tracks in reason (umm... you can't) or cubase (ummm... how do i know which note goes with which instrument????).  i've said it before, and i'm saying it again - sonar has the potential to be the DAW of the future, and i think that going with gibson, esp now that anderton is there, is a portent for greatness. 


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Re: X3...here it is..for real! Sept. 28th ship date? wow 2013/09/25 17:03:44 (permalink)
where are you guys seeing all these described features???
the link in the first post in dead...


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Re: X3...here it is..for real! Sept. 28th ship date? wow 2013/09/25 17:12:36 (permalink)
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Re: X3...here it is..for real! Sept. 28th ship date? wow 2013/09/25 17:12:47 (permalink)
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Oh No, I hope they do not do away with V-Vocal. I have melodyne pro and V-vocal has so much more flexibility greatly due to the pencil tool. Melodyne is very ridgid with limited control. it shift & slants waves where you don't want them. It was $300 down the drain for me. KEEP VVocal


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Re: X3...here it is..for real! Sept. 28th ship date? wow 2013/09/25 17:27:48 (permalink)
I'm dying to know whether they've fixed the problem whereby FX automation lanes are not labeled correctly. It's a major hurdle to my creativity as I shy away from the kind of intricate automation I'd like to do because of the organizational pain of dealing with lots of unlabeled automation lanes.

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Re: X3...here it is..for real! Sept. 28th ship date? wow 2013/09/25 17:48:21 (permalink)
Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk]
 
I would venture to say that the ARA implementation in SONAR goes even further. SONAR support true independent ARA regions - i.e you can make copies of ARA clips and edit them independently. Also the ARA editing and MIDI integration is very deep, with full drag and drop support, and integrated live preview and scrub inside the melodyne editor. Additionally we were careful to not make ARA support exclusive to Melodyne. Any plugin that supports the ARA spec will be available as a region based effect in SONAR, so the implementation is very open.  I worked very closely with the Celemony team all through this year and I have to say that they were a wonderful and committed team of people to work with. There have been many fixes and enhancements to ARA as a result of this collaboration, some of which were included in the last Melodyne update.
<snip> 


Warning:  possible stupid question ahead...
 
Assuming the X3 Staff View is pretty much the same as before, in theory, would it be possible for someone to develop or modify an existing notation editing plugin which adheres to the ARA implementation / standard?
 
I mean, if you can have Melodyne exist as an alternate audio editor, why couldn't you have an alternate MIDI editor?
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Re: X3...here it is..for real! Sept. 28th ship date? wow 2013/09/25 17:53:13 (permalink)
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What is the boutique suite?


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I believe that's a reference to the Blue Tubes Suite from Nomad Factory....


I'm not sure if that is it since it is listed seperately:
 
"Fine tune your mixes with the 19 included Nomad Factory Blue Tubes FX"
"58 total FX including the new Boutique Suite"
 
Seems odd to name it and then list again wit ha different name



Unless...as it seems, the last line is a summary of the TOTAL...just a thought...
58 TOTAL FX including the new Boutique Suite


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Re: X3...here it is..for real! Sept. 28th ship date? wow 2013/09/25 18:00:24 (permalink)

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Re: X3...here it is..for real! Sept. 28th ship date? wow 2013/09/25 18:01:25 (permalink)
Blue tubes is pretty cool and there are a bunch of them. It is old but good virtual analog delay and other such units.  Work nice w/ the SONAR sound - I've got it.  Worth having.
 
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Re: X3...here it is..for real! Sept. 28th ship date? wow 2013/09/25 18:05:09 (permalink)
Hopefully the issue with plug-in friendly names only being used in the menus but not being used in FX bin, plugin gui window, etc. has been addressed.
I reported this ages ago and just opened another report on it:  CWBRN-19820

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Re: X3...here it is..for real! Sept. 28th ship date? wow 2013/09/25 18:05:30 (permalink)
Thanks, dub. Doesn't look like anything new except some extra effects/plugs I don't really need.
 
Hooray.
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Re: X3...here it is..for real! Sept. 28th ship date? wow 2013/09/25 18:05:36 (permalink)
Careful...I actually see a few errors there. Copy is still being updated afaik.

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Re: X3...here it is..for real! Sept. 28th ship date? wow 2013/09/25 18:12:02 (permalink)
Seth..I kind of figured this was not final.  This was the verbiage Sweetwater posted.  I posted it since many were saying it is gone
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Re: X3...here it is..for real! Sept. 28th ship date? wow 2013/09/25 18:15:31 (permalink)
Has Audiosnap been worked on?
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Re: X3...here it is..for real! Sept. 28th ship date? wow 2013/09/25 18:16:51 (permalink)
Beep..there are actually a number of non third party changes as well.  Not sure if VST3 matters to you.  Looks like there are take lane improvements as well and color customization options.
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Re: X3...here it is..for real! Sept. 28th ship date? wow 2013/09/25 18:18:14 (permalink)
I doubt audiosnap will change.  I don't think the complaints about it are strong enough to warrant major change.  Does audiosnap not work for you?
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Re: X3...here it is..for real! Sept. 28th ship date? wow 2013/09/25 18:22:39 (permalink)
couldn't audio snap also have been updated with this ARA support?
since ARA seems to have become such a big part of Sonar

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Re: X3...here it is..for real! Sept. 28th ship date? wow 2013/09/25 18:22:50 (permalink)
Not seeing much progress in terms of core capability - looks like its a bunch of fx and plugins??

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Re: X3...here it is..for real! Sept. 28th ship date? wow 2013/09/25 18:26:01 (permalink)
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Not seeing much progress in terms of core capability - looks like its a bunch of fx and plugins??



As was X2....seems to be the way Cake is going...
A few updates and a bunch of new plugs warrants $150....
And all the people said...YAY!


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Re: X3...here it is..for real! Sept. 28th ship date? wow 2013/09/25 18:29:28 (permalink)
VST3 really isn't a concern for me. Take Lanes are a little weird sometimes but I manage to get them to do what I need (but there are some quirks that I think should have been resolved with a patch). Color customization means less than zero to me (although I know that will make quite a few people happy).
 
Audiosnap really was one of the bigger issues with me. It is just an absolute bear to make work properly here and I've had it completely bugger up spectacularly. I know others have the same issues and you can even see it acting buggy in some of the official Cakewalk vids. I would REALLY like this aspect of the program to work more smoothly.
 
The other issues I have are the weird selection problems that creep into projects but that seems like a stability issue that will probably be better in X3 if they worked on the core code BUT I have plenty of work arounds for that. Not really worth a full upgrade by itself and I'd want to see what others experiences are before knowing it has been taken care of.
 
Graphical weirdness... well it's annoying but again not worth an upgrade.
 
AD is a nice addition (I was actually looking at XLM stuff before I got BFD) but I don't need it because... well BFD.
 
Improved mastering effects... I do alright with what I've got and I'd rather spend money on Izotope stuff.
 
Melodyne... very cool but again an Izotope bundle will take care of that and I haven't even tried V-Vocal yet which for my limited needs might be enough.
 
Really... a stable audiosnap and less glitches. It's all I need. I'm sure others will be quite happy with the new additions though. Maybe there are more details coming but that release and doin' it for me.
 
We'll see.
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Re: X3...here it is..for real! Sept. 28th ship date? wow 2013/09/25 18:34:26 (permalink)
And yanno... now I feel bad because I know the Bakers have probably been busting their bleeps on this and have been gagged by corporate puppeteers but that list just doesn't seem to solve the things I need it to.
 
Sorry...
 
And where is this $149 price quote coming from? Is that for real or just speculation/rumor mill?
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Re: X3...here it is..for real! Sept. 28th ship date? wow 2013/09/25 18:35:43 (permalink)
$149 was the upgrade price listed at Sweetwater, displayed as $50 off a regular sale price of $199.
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Re: X3...here it is..for real! Sept. 28th ship date? wow 2013/09/25 18:37:04 (permalink)
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dubdiscipleTerrasin..i get it.  I'm sure if my experience with Cakewalk was similar to yours I would feel the same way. I guess take a look at demo when it is released and go from there.  Why do you despise Gibson?

Because they own Tascam who will be distributing Sonar. They are a useless company with useless products and useless programmers who make useless drivers which cause you to call their useless tech support. In fact, I sold my DM4800 to buy a VS-700.


sounds like Tascam did you wrong, but many of us started on tascams weather reel 2 reels or the mk424, porta studios.
Tascam has put out some brilliant product through out the years and we might not be sitting here if not for Tascam.
sure there would be digital audio software but not the same way.
 
Tascam paved the road for many musicians, many programmer's got ideas from 4 track concepts and Tascam was the biggest in moving them next to fostex which was  les paul's idea, yes, les paul invented the overdub 4 track as we know it.
 
your comment is a very strong statement and far from the truth not useless at all.
they might not have been the innovators of audio soundcards or driver support :)
but they are as I said far from useless.




With all honesty and respect, Charlie, why is it when one person brings up Opcode and the like, that perspective is dismissed by stating that that was a long time ago, but when Tascam is criticized there is the opposing defense of what Tascam did a long time ago?  Remember, Tascam is not the independent company it once was, but it now a part of Gibson.  So, under Gibson's umbrella, Tascam is not what it once was.
 
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Re: X3...here it is..for real! Sept. 28th ship date? wow 2013/09/25 18:37:49 (permalink)
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Not seeing much progress in terms of core capability - looks like its a bunch of fx and plugins??


 
I don't know, to me these jump out:

• Skylight Interface enhancements and color customizations

• Craft the perfect vocal performances with Melodyne Essential - (ARA is embedded deep into X3 - this could pave the way for future functionality / extensibility - and this doesn't mean we have to wait for a new version of Sonar, it could be 3rd parties who write or update plugs which are ARA compliant.)

• Comp multiple takes together instantly for the ultimate performance - (Sounds useful)

• Improved video support including YouTube export - (This has been in Mixcraft)

• Full support for VST3 synths and effects - (folks have been asking about this for a long time)
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Re: X3...here it is..for real! Sept. 28th ship date? wow 2013/09/25 18:38:51 (permalink)
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$149 was the upgrade price listed at Sweetwater, displayed as $50 off a regular sale price of $199.




Whoa. That's weird/confusing. Must be some crossed wires or bad info. I couldn't see a $200 upgrade price. I couldn't justify that even if I wanted to.
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Yeah, I'm very curious to see more detail on "improved video support". I'm not so concerned about the YouTube export bit, but improvements in sound to picture workflow would be very welcome.
 
 

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Re: X3...here it is..for real! Sept. 28th ship date? wow 2013/09/25 18:41:09 (permalink)
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Thank you, all. I have seen the error of my ways. It's kind of sad that one gets these kinds of answers at a Cakewalk forum, while a Steinberg rep on Steinberg's Facebook page just said that it couldn't be done.


Regardless of how the DAW wars play out, this community is without question frigging awesome!


 
when was this exactly ? ;-) .. it's not a DAW war.. some of us use both.... and I'd rather people posted 100% factual information.. and not just "xyz" ...hence why I posted the softtube link first. if the information is incorrect or hearsay (if you don't own / use the product) .. then yep, I will correct it.
(and thats partly why I like hearing more from technical staff than sales folk)
 
 
 
 
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