cityrat

pbognar

Warning:  possible stupid question ahead...
 
Assuming the X3 Staff View is pretty much the same as before, in theory, would it be possible for someone to develop or modify an existing notation editing plugin which adheres to the ARA implementation / standard?
 
I mean, if you can have Melodyne exist as an alternate audio editor, why couldn't you have an alternate MIDI editor?

Warning: possible stupid answer.... but maybe that is what what Studio 1 is doing with Notion?   Of course, they would want to keep it limited to S1 so were stuck wishing for someone (either Gibson/Tascam or ??) to develop a the notation functionality.
 
 
 
 

riojazz
The feature list from Sweetwater (which might have had errors) disappeared before I could review it thoroughly.  There wasn't any mention of an improved STAFF VIEW, was there?

No.  

@riojazz - it doesn't look like there are any improvements in SV, but we should really wait until the official announcement and new functionality / bug fix list.
 
@cityrat - an ARA compliant notation plug does not have to be developed internally.  An existing application (like Notion) could be acquired, or a 3rd party notation company could provide an ARA compliant notation plug.  The key is that it sounds like ARA is deeply integrated in X3.  This is good news for not only notation plugs, but plugs we haven't even imagined yet. 

dantarbill

pbognar

jamescollins

... And the possibilities reach far beyond Melodyne - for instance, Presonus have just bought Notion, and it seems likely that they'll link that into S1 using ARA - this would be fantastic (although pure specualtion). Instead of tacking on half-arsed features that don't really work, ARA allows devs to integrate the real thing with their DAW. 

D'oh!!! This was the object of my ARA speculation.  Thinking was that if Melodyne could edit Sonar audio, why couldn't an ARA compliant notation plug edit Sonar MIDI data.  And here I thought there was some sort of relationship between Cakewalk and Notion.  Let's hope there is another notation company out there interested in developing a notation plug.

 
ARA (Audio Random Access) gives the plugin a broader view into the hosts audio stream than the single instant in time at the current playback position.  While it's pretty cool for giving a plug a context view, rather than an instantaneous view of audio...I doubt that it will be useful at all for notation, since that's MIDI related.  (That is unless we're also considering audio to MIDI conversion.)

Per Noel - and perhaps I'm misunderstanding:
 
"I would venture to say that the ARA implementation in SONAR goes even further. SONAR support true independent ARA regions - i.e you can make copies of ARA clips and edit them independently. Also the ARA editing and MIDI integration is very deep, with full drag and drop support, and integrated live preview and scrub inside the melodyne editor. Additionally we were careful to not make ARA support exclusive to Melodyne. Any plugin that supports the ARA spec will be available as a region based effect in SONAR, so the implementation is very open.  I worked very closely with the Celemony team all through this year and I have to say that they were a wonderful and committed team of people to work with. There have been many fixes and enhancements to ARA as a result of this collaboration, some of which were included in the last Melodyne update."

Well, I really hope this update works out well (still on 8.5.3).  As do some others, I really do need to be fully able to adjust colors in order to be able to work with the program.  A better staff view would also really help, but I've long since given up on that one.  I can continue to live with doing the bulk of the work in a notation program and only when finished there import the result into Sonar.

yevster
The release date may be immersed in murk of mystery and sequestered in solemn secrecy (alliteration, baby!), but there is the IMSTA Festa in New York on September 28th. Can one assume an attendee of that blessed nerd orgy will get to glimpse the amazing array of awesomeness?

That would be a good guess. I'll be at IMSTA so hope to see local folks stop by. 

Andrew Rossa [Cakewalk]

yevster
The release date may be immersed in murk of mystery and sequestered in solemn secrecy (alliteration, baby!), but there is the IMSTA Festa in New York on September 28th. Can one assume an attendee of that blessed nerd orgy will get to glimpse the amazing array of awesomeness?

That would be a good guess. I'll be at IMSTA so hope to see local folks stop by. 

Will people that can't attent the IMSTA Festa get the news at the same time somewhere else? I'd love to attend but if I got the ticket from Sweden to the US I wouldn't have enough money left to buy the upgrade afterwards.

Loptec
Will people that can't attent the IMSTA Festa get the news at the same time somewhere else? I'd love to attend but if I got the ticket from Sweden to the US I wouldn't have enough money left to buy the upgrade afterwards.

You can get the first look when Reason comes out :)

I am so ready for X3 already. Come on Cakewalk. Stop making us drooling. Sell the darn thing now! 

  An existing application (like Notion) could be acquired, or a 3rd party notation company could provide an ARA compliant notation plug.  The key is that it sounds like ARA is deeply integrated in X3.  This is good news for not only notation plugs, but plugs we haven't even imagined yet. 


Not possible. Notion was acquired by Presonus just last week.

It's interesting to note that none of the links to the various stores work, nor do any searches within said stores for "Sonar X3." What's up with that? And one would think there would be news on the Cakewalk e-Store, no?  What happened...someone make a boo-boo in the sales/communication department?

Yup, X3 hasn't been officially released yet, so the only mistakes (AFAICT) are retailers putting up their links too soon.   Everything you read here is just pre-release fever.  Or a kindergarten party.
 

stevec
Yup, X3 hasn't been officially released yet, so the only mistakes (AFAICT) are retailers putting up their links too soon.   Everything you read here is just pre-release fever.  Or a kindergarten party.
 

It happens every year, do retailers not get told not to leak it each year and each years the same happens and then it get removed.
its a marketing ripple, created to produce even more hype and whip you all up into even more of a frenzy , thus creating more of a wave that will also sweep up lurkers contemplating getting a daw etc.
 

I can't afford to fly from Malaysia ti New York. If I have that money I would have bought the Korg KronoX! Can I at least get a peak at the awesomeness at CW website? Please. (yeah, I am begging).

Does anyone know what's going on? All this speculation?
 
It is obvious!
 
With the new updated forum software and all these, "mishaps with advertising", Cakewalk has developed a new mind control. Apple is in on it as well. The new iOS is giving everyone headaches. Sum all that up with the fact that gas prices are dropping and new land masses appearing in the ocean, earthquakes, and super typhoon and a surge in schizophrenia related shootings, it is clear to me that everyone needs to start wearing specially designed aluminum foil head gear. It's the only way to save yourselves! ;-)
 
Ok, carry on.

jamescollins
If any Cakewalk staff members are still lurking, one of the nice things about VST3 (as far as I know, which isn't very much!) is it's ability to only consume CPU power when a clip is playing. Apparently with VST2, if there's an insert in the FX bin, it's using CPU power the whole time, even if the track only contains a clip that plays for a fraction of a second. Am I right about this? And if so, will this be one of VST3's features which will be implemented in X3?

For whatever reason this issue is always annoyingly skated over or I just don't understand the responses given. So I've come to the conclusion that there is absolutely no CPU performance improvements of VST3 over VST2.

In fact, as stated in previous threads by Cakewalk employees DXI actually implemented CPU throttling on empty tracks or where no clip was currently playing on the timeline. From my tests I've never actually witnessed this however. CPU consumed by a plugin was always constant in Sonar.

I'd love to be corrected about this issue.

Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk]

dantarbill
ARA (Audio Random Access) gives the plugin a broader view into the hosts audio stream than the single instant in time at the current playback position.  While it's pretty cool for giving a plug a context view, rather than an instantaneous view of audio...I doubt that it will be useful at all for notation, since that's MIDI related.  (That is unless we're also considering audio to MIDI conversion.)

Right ARA (Audio Random Access) as the name implies doensn't deal with MIDI sources so as such it wouldn't help in this area. Writing a standard for a notation app or plugin to communicate with a DAW wouldn't be that difficult though. And probably easier than ARA. All that's essentially needed is a way for the host to pass its edits to the notation app in realtime,  transport sync and for the notation app to associate its notation metadata with the hosts notes. Most notation apps already have this since they have a notion of playback data and presentation data. I'm surprised that notation vendors haven't come up with this - we'd be certainly willing to integrate with something like that. One could also use MusicXML for the transfer potentially.
 

Notion will probably support ARA integration now that it's been snatched up by Presonus. And Finale will probably have that integration once MakeMusic is snatched up by the new Tascam Pro Audio (my wild, crazy baseless theory)