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Re: X3...here it is..for real! Sept. 28th ship date? wow 2013/09/25 19:33:37 (permalink)
From the bits of info Noel has fed us, X3 is sounding like a no-brainer upgrade for me.  If there are some serious improvements in take-lanes, as Noel says, I will be completely satisfied and anything else is just an added bonus.
 
Regarding colour customisation, it amazes me how this was a life & death issue for so many people.  Honestly, the forum was full of people moaning about it.  Now we hear it's back, and little is said.
 
Feels to me like some people will find anything to b!tch about and when it gets fixed, they just go quiet.  Lame...

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Re: X3...here it is..for real! Sept. 28th ship date? wow 2013/09/25 19:35:38 (permalink)
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Re: X3...here it is..for real! Sept. 28th ship date? wow 2013/09/25 19:37:43 (permalink)
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lol... I want color customization but I want all the colors to be BLACK.
 
Then my music can be none more black.


 
 

 
 


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Re: X3...here it is..for real! Sept. 28th ship date? wow 2013/09/25 19:39:53 (permalink)
Well when I mentioned color customization improvements, I got pounced on, so I just stay quiet about it now. Yes though I am looking forward to the improvements and hope that they have some nice default color schemes on which to choose from. No it's not a life and death issue, but it would be nice to be able to get away from that ugly machine grey.
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Re: X3...here it is..for real! Sept. 28th ship date? wow 2013/09/25 19:44:01 (permalink)
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lol... I want color customization but I want all the colors to be BLACK.
 
Then my music can be none more black.


 
 

 
 





That's exactly what I've been running around doing in my apartment between posts in this thread.
 
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Re: X3...here it is..for real! Sept. 28th ship date? wow 2013/09/25 19:56:39 (permalink)
I have great hopes that having to go deep into Sonars code to implement ARA and VST3 allowed Cakewalk to get at a lot of the niggly little bugs and long standing ones.

Much of what has been announced seems to indicate (to me) that there will be many under the hood fixes and improvements and not just feature bloat bolt ons. Obviously there's new plugins as sweeteners and enhancements.

Certainly I'm more upbeat about Sonar with what I know at this point, than I have been ever since we got into the X series. I guess we'll see soon enough when we can get it into our hot little hands. I for one will be an early adopter.

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Re: X3...here it is..for real! Sept. 28th ship date? wow 2013/09/25 20:11:36 (permalink)
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Regarding colour customisation, it amazes me how this was a life & death issue for so many people.  Honestly, the forum was full of people moaning about it.  Now we hear it's back, and little is said.
 
Feels to me like some people will find anything to b!tch about and when it gets fixed, they just go quiet.  Lame...



Or they could just be realists who are going to wait and see before praising/denegrating whatever X3 has to offer in that regard.
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Re: X3...here it is..for real! Sept. 28th ship date? wow 2013/09/25 20:13:07 (permalink)
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Sonar's midi editing is way way easier than cubase or reason for the simple idea that you can view multiple tracks at the same time in one prv screen.

 
Incorrect. Cubase can do this.


 
I believe swamp wanted to say in Sonar you can open multiple PRVs with different groups of instruments and lock the contents and dock the screens into the MultiDock, because even Studio One can also show multiple tracks at the same time in one PRV. 


not really... this is what i meant - you open multiple tracks in sonar in one prv, and there are track indicators on the right of the prv that show you which track you are working on.  cubase's method is more convoluted because the editing selection is locked to clips not the prv as a WHOLE.  sonar otoh has all kinds of handy utilities, including track locking for each part and a track selector.  
 
first cubase with two midi clips. you set the coloring to parts and this is how it shows up - the dropdown at the top is a clip selector...
 
if you have multiple clips to work with this becomes amazingly convoluted because you need to know the name of the clip to choose...

 
and in sonar, it's just easier to navigate, esp with the track selector menu and track tools at the right of the screen...

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Re: X3...here it is..for real! Sept. 28th ship date? wow 2013/09/25 20:16:16 (permalink)
Hi,
 
I just don't wanna troll but, if X3 is out in october, does it means X2b is on the way too?
(I wouldn't be bothered by UI fixes and an updated bitbridge which enables me to get my Focusrite Liquid Mix to work)
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Re: X3...here it is..for real! Sept. 28th ship date? wow 2013/09/25 20:19:56 (permalink)
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I for one will be an early adopter.


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Re: X3...here it is..for real! Sept. 28th ship date? wow 2013/09/25 20:20:40 (permalink)
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Do the colors make it sound better?

 
No, but it tastes like ochre!

 
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Re: X3...here it is..for real! Sept. 28th ship date? wow 2013/09/25 20:27:12 (permalink)
Ooooh... Pickled ochre...
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Re: X3...here it is..for real! Sept. 28th ship date? wow 2013/09/25 20:46:47 (permalink)
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Hi,
 
I just don't wanna troll but, if X3 is out in october, does it means X2b is on the way too?
(I wouldn't be bothered by UI fixes and an updated bitbridge which enables me to get my Focusrite Liquid Mix to work)


There will not be another X2 release. Any bugs you're living with now you'll be stuck with until you upgrade to X3. That's not as bad as it sounds, though. Once you've become intimately familiar with a given version's quirks and limitations you can easily work around them. I'm happily working with 8.5 under that philosophy, and will have no problem continuing to do so indefinitely if X3 fails to address my particular concerns.


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Re: X3...here it is..for real! Sept. 28th ship date? wow 2013/09/25 21:02:20 (permalink)
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Regarding colour customisation, it amazes me how this was a life & death issue for so many people.  Honestly, the forum was full of people moaning about it.  Now we hear it's back, and little is said.
 
Feels to me like some people will find anything to b!tch about and when it gets fixed, they just go quiet.  Lame...



Or they could just be realists who are going to wait and see before praising/denegrating whatever X3 has to offer in that regard.



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Re: X3...here it is..for real! Sept. 28th ship date? wow 2013/09/25 21:15:44 (permalink)

For those who are saying that ARA/melodyne is no big deal because you already use it in the FX bin - trust me, this is a very big deal! This was one of the main reasons I switched to Studio One. Once you've experienced ARA, there's no looking back - nothing else compares. And according to Cake, they've done it even better than Presonus - let's hope they deliver! And the possibilities reach far beyond Melodyne - for instance, Presonus have just bought Notion, and it seems likely that they'll link that into S1 using ARA - this would be fantastic (although pure specualtion). Instead of tacking on half-arsed features that don't really work, ARA allows devs to integrate the real thing with their DAW. 

 
If any Cakewalk staff members are still lurking, one of the nice things about VST3 (as far as I know, which isn't very much!) is it's ability to only consume CPU power when a clip is playing. Apparently with VST2, if there's an insert in the FX bin, it's using CPU power the whole time, even if the track only contains a clip that plays for a fraction of a second. Am I right about this? And if so, will this be one of VST3's features which will be implemented in X3?
 
Even though I'm not currently using Sonar anymore, I look forward to seeing what X3 holds...

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Re: X3...here it is..for real! Sept. 28th ship date? wow 2013/09/25 21:25:59 (permalink)
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 Any bugs you're living with now you'll be stuck with until you upgrade to X3. 


You are making the incredible assumption that these bugs will be fixed in X3.
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Re: X3...here it is..for real! Sept. 28th ship date? wow 2013/09/25 21:35:09 (permalink)
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 Any bugs you're living with now you'll be stuck with until you upgrade to X3. 


You are making the incredible assumption that these bugs will be fixed in X3.


Gimme a little credit, vv.  I know damn well they won't all be fixed, even if I don't know which ones will and which ones won't. But I can guarantee one thing: the only way you'll get any fixes will be to upgrade to X3.


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Re: X3...here it is..for real! Sept. 28th ship date? wow 2013/09/25 21:37:52 (permalink)
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I wouldn't be bothered by UI fixes and an updated bitbridge which enables me to get my Focusrite Liquid Mix to work)

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Re: X3...here it is..for real! Sept. 28th ship date? wow 2013/09/25 22:08:11 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby John T 2013/09/25 22:16:45
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Never in my life have I seen people complaining about people not complaining. Mental!


My point was, often a trivial problem becomes a bandwagon that everyone jumps onto.  Later, it seems that very few really cared, they just wanted on the bandwagon.  I have seen this pattern play out for years on this forum.

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Re: X3...here it is..for real! Sept. 28th ship date? wow 2013/09/25 22:39:35 (permalink)
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For those who are saying that ARA/melodyne is no big deal because you already use it in the FX bin - trust me, this is a very big deal! This was one of the main reasons I switched to Studio One. Once you've experienced ARA, there's no looking back - nothing else compares. And according to Cake, they've done it even better than Presonus - let's hope they deliver! And the possibilities reach far beyond Melodyne - for instance, Presonus have just bought Notion, and it seems likely that they'll link that into S1 using ARA - this would be fantastic (although pure specualtion). Instead of tacking on half-arsed features that don't really work, ARA allows devs to integrate the real thing with their DAW. 

 
If any Cakewalk staff members are still lurking, one of the nice things about VST3 (as far as I know, which isn't very much!) is it's ability to only consume CPU power when a clip is playing. Apparently with VST2, if there's an insert in the FX bin, it's using CPU power the whole time, even if the track only contains a clip that plays for a fraction of a second. Am I right about this? And if so, will this be one of VST3's features which will be implemented in X3?
 
Even though I'm not currently using Sonar anymore, I look forward to seeing what X3 holds...




D'oh!!! This was the object of my ARA speculation.  Thinking was that if Melodyne could edit Sonar audio, why couldn't an ARA compliant notation plug edit Sonar MIDI data.  And here I thought there was some sort of relationship between Cakewalk and Notion.  Let's hope there is another notation company out there interested in developing a notation plug.
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Re: X3...here it is..for real! Sept. 28th ship date? wow 2013/09/26 09:34:11 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby dorism 2013/09/26 16:03:06
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For those who are saying that ARA/melodyne is no big deal because you already use it in the FX bin - trust me, this is a very big deal! This was one of the main reasons I switched to Studio One. Once you've experienced ARA, there's no looking back - nothing else compares. And according to Cake, they've done it even better than Presonus - let's hope they deliver! And the possibilities reach far beyond Melodyne - for instance, Presonus have just bought Notion, and it seems likely that they'll link that into S1 using ARA - this would be fantastic (although pure specualtion). Instead of tacking on half-arsed features that don't really work, ARA allows devs to integrate the real thing with their DAW. 

 
If any Cakewalk staff members are still lurking, one of the nice things about VST3 (as far as I know, which isn't very much!) is it's ability to only consume CPU power when a clip is playing. Apparently with VST2, if there's an insert in the FX bin, it's using CPU power the whole time, even if the track only contains a clip that plays for a fraction of a second. Am I right about this? And if so, will this be one of VST3's features which will be implemented in X3?
 
Even though I'm not currently using Sonar anymore, I look forward to seeing what X3 holds...


James has it spot on, I must agree about melodyne integration, worlds apart from banging a plugin in the bin, everything is just so much their, no messing about recording audio to it and then having to export it back out and import it back into your DAW. And what I use it for more so is audio to midi, as for me  I cant play a instrument so I just mix and match audio clips that sound good together and then drag from my melodyne activated track line to a new VST track, could not do without it now, so much more inspirational for ideas and creativity, I would say I prefer ableton live 9 audio to midi as it converts straight off just by dragging audio to any midi track which is a little quicker but nothing to write home about considering all the other audio editing option you get with integrated melodyne, worth every penny and some more, all the dance music producers will be loving this and get the most out of it, once you had it and utilized it,you cant go back.
 
But getting back onto the bugs issue and my other gripes,
1) for me bad audio engine too many bugs to no where to start although I think sonar is one of the better sounding daws before any processing, 2) rewire in 64 bit is broken, I get missing and skipping beats and it slows down and speeds up sounds like someone is messing about with a record , not sure what that is all about, so at present I have no reason rewire.
3) Graphics I go in roundabouts, its okay then its bad again too many flaws to no where to begin when it is at its worse, tried ruling out my plugins etc, but I am almost certain its not them at fault , by comparison with many other Daws.
4) The bottom midi note in the piano roll does not show up in the inline enough to edit, and their are  a few other flaws with the inline that make it finicky to fit midi that option is hit and miss and we definitely  need more visual on the key/note display, as if you set up drum maps and use the inline , you can only fit 3 numbers or letters.
5) Too many other things to go into detail and so much more can be fixed or improved with a few tweaks here and their, yet have remained since sonar v6 , our midi control is still naff, the step sequencer always feels half complete or can be so much better, I just feel like cakewalk half bake some things and never make it great, they always move onto to the next gimmick, but they are all gimmicks that have foundation so just hope one day they also upgrade and improve existing features and functions 
 
6) I am constantly getting crashes when trying to drop in midi patterns from the browser,
7) Blah blah blah!!!!!!!! and some
 
But as regards the new appearance and colour scheme I think sonar is one of the best on the eye, just a pity the screen real-estate can not be improved on as yet, I like the solid look/none toy none cheap looking, and the basic colour is great, but I also feel we need to be able to fit more tracks in view, as like the majority of other daws, okay its the win 8 touch thing, but we should have the option to get more tracks in view etc.
 
I could go on for hours, about good and bad points, and much needed tweaks and improvements, but just to sum up my feelings on what I here about X3 (Assuming ) lol, I am  open arms for melodyne integration, keen to know about the editing/skyline improvements. And I am not sure on all these plugins, but all the mains ones I have anyhow, I don't use audio take lanes at present although I would love to see the multiple midi lane graphic etc less buggy, if I use these it triggers of all sorts of weird graphics bugs and even puts these midi take lanes out side of the main lane, and it then messes with my existing folders their after and jumbling tracks about.
Without waffling on any further, iam happy with major technical advancements that have purpose, but I still feel cakewalk throw in these plugins just to distract us from all the underlying issues above,I don't rate any of the plugins in X2 at present well the majority anyhow, they just don't compare to buying your own add ons/plugins they feel cheap and clumsy to me and the new stuff to x2 just slowed down and tripped out my 3.6 ghz i7 pc and 8gb of ram, they just glitch.
 
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Re: X3...here it is..for real! Sept. 28th ship date? wow 2013/09/26 09:55:02 (permalink)
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Use legacy 1394 drivers and get jBridge and you'll be good. My LiquidMix runs great using this combo.

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Re: X3...here it is..for real! Sept. 28th ship date? wow 2013/09/26 09:58:15 (permalink)
Wrong thread.
post edited by Beepster - 2013/09/26 10:05:47
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Re: X3...here it is..for real! Sept. 28th ship date? wow 2013/09/26 10:04:03 (permalink)
Dammit! That was supposed to go in the other thread. I'm trying to keep my tantrum contained to very few threads. Oops.
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Re: X3...here it is..for real! Sept. 28th ship date? wow 2013/09/26 11:18:32 (permalink)
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Regarding colour customisation, it amazes me how this was a life & death issue for so many people.  Honestly, the forum was full of people moaning about it.  Now we hear it's back, and little is said.
 
Feels to me like some people will find anything to b!tch about and when it gets fixed, they just go quiet.  Lame...




Maybe that's because those people (like me) are waiting to see to what extent it has returned before commenting ? The only thing I have seen about this mentions that the "skylight" is customisable. Is this the same thing as full colour customisation ? Can something now be done about the hideous console view ? I don't know, it doesn't sound like it, but I'll wait and see before commenting either way. Seems a better way than joining those who get all hot under the collar about stuff that hasn't even been officially announced.
post edited by paulo - 2013/09/26 11:55:58
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Re: X3...here it is..for real! Sept. 28th ship date? wow 2013/09/26 11:49:33 (permalink)
<whew>!

Lots of things to consider...

Overall it sounds great with the limited info on various topics...

ARA integration sounds like a good step up from what little knowledge and even less direct experience with.. I get very good results with V-Vocal most of the time so I'm glad it will still be with us... Melodyne looks good but I always shied away from it due to the interfacing... And I believe polyphonic editing is only available with the full version (we only get essentials).... We'll see which I use more in time (of course I'm buying the upgrade ASAP! ;-)).

Vst3 is certainly a good step too... Tho I don't think I've yet needed it...

Color customization? Far too little said of it to even blink... Not something that affects the sound, but it can make work easier. Especially for some of us with our particular needs... For all I know the statement could merely mean that they have customized the colors more! (That might help a little, but not as robust as what we had in 8.5.3)

And now for my personal "biggest issue"...

Lanes!

Though I would have loved some measure that simply brought back Layers, I did not expect it and if enough issues are resolved with Lanes I could be perfectly satisfied anyway... I believe that it will require working with it to discover that answer... I'm hopefully... Noel has been too happy with X3 himself! ;-)

So to everyone and their individual attachment to the new release, I offer early Kudos and gratitude... And much joy to all my fellow users. Hoping we are all made happy with this new release!

Me? I'll be ordering it ASAP... It's so sad that I'm so broke right now... But as I haven't paid a few bills yet, I may sidetrack that cash and suffer the consequences.... If they can get the ordering system up before I'm forced to spend it... I'm already going to be living (?) thru this winter without heat... We'll see if I survive it and then manage to work in the cold... <sigh>...

Oh... More plugins are always fun, but never too important these days.. I'm quite happy with the Cakewalk ProChannel plugins and do most of my work with little else...

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Re: X3...here it is..for real! Sept. 28th ship date? wow 2013/09/26 11:50:54 (permalink)
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Never in my life have I seen people complaining about people not complaining. Mental!


My point was, often a trivial problem becomes a bandwagon that everyone jumps onto.  Later, it seems that very few really cared, they just wanted on the bandwagon.  I have seen this pattern play out for years on this forum.




Not writing and not caring is not the same..
 
I think it's awesome that they've implemented color customisation. I still think it's better to not write now and see what it's all about first though... Kind of lame to go all banans now and later go back to complaining if it's not what I was hoping for.
 
I'm not much for having opinions about things I basically know nothing about. "Color customisation" could mean anything. I want to see it first. Then I talk.

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Re: X3...here it is..for real! Sept. 28th ship date? wow 2013/09/26 12:32:32 (permalink)
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... And here I thought there was some sort of relationship between Cakewalk and Notion.  Let's hope there is another notation company out there interested in developing a notation plug.



The feature list from Sweetwater (which might have had errors) disappeared before I could review it thoroughly.  There wasn't any mention of an improved STAFF VIEW, was there?

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Re: X3...here it is..for real! Sept. 28th ship date? wow 2013/09/26 13:44:02 (permalink)
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Warning:  possible stupid question ahead...
 
Assuming the X3 Staff View is pretty much the same as before, in theory, would it be possible for someone to develop or modify an existing notation editing plugin which adheres to the ARA implementation / standard?
 
I mean, if you can have Melodyne exist as an alternate audio editor, why couldn't you have an alternate MIDI editor?



Warning: possible stupid answer.... but maybe that is what what Studio 1 is doing with Notion?   Of course, they would want to keep it limited to S1 so were stuck wishing for someone (either Gibson/Tascam or ??) to develop a the notation functionality.
 
 
 
 
riojazz
The feature list from Sweetwater (which might have had errors) disappeared before I could review it thoroughly.  There wasn't any mention of an improved STAFF VIEW, was there?




No.  
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Re: X3...here it is..for real! Sept. 28th ship date? wow 2013/09/26 14:22:20 (permalink)
Normally, I'll wait a few months before jumping on such an update, but this time I've already sent a note to my rep to go ahead and send me X3 the day it's released so I can get any fixes and Take Lane re-works, etc. As promising as it sounds to upgrade, truthfully, I'm just dying to get any fixes that might affect me positively. From my experience, X2 was not a total success.
 
I've certainly had my share of cursidents.  Even if some of the issues I've had were not Sonar-related, I'm hoping maybe the underlying code from Cakewalk's and Microsoft's side have been better integrated, and hopefully (as I'm begging and pleading) updates can be more incremental and not analogous to an MS Service-Pack. I prefer routine updates over comprehensive ones. I much prefer hotfixes over a, b, c, d, etc. updates. Hotfixes are way more appealing to me as a customer. It also shows the company is actively working all the time. That's a good perception to have. And it doesn't show weakness. Hiding bugs behind a bullet point of "enhancements and fixes" is more revealing to me about the company's self-image than specific hotfixes that tell exactly what's being fixed.
 
I'm not expecting to be blown away, because evolution is typically not fast. However, if reliability and useability improved, I'll be happy to be more efficient and less embarrassed by crashes and other issues. Fingers crossed!!

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