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Re: message from Greg Ondo of Steinberg
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I have been considering alternatives. This post alone tips the balance towards Cubase, which was already a top contender and I appreciate Steinberg's response. Steinberg could have taken a number of approaches to entice Cakewalk users. This approach is commendable.
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Re: message from Greg Ondo of Steinberg
2017/11/24 14:43:34
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Has anyone seen the 50% off deal in the US? Not on the Steinberg shop or Sweetwater.
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Re: message from Greg Ondo of Steinberg
2017/11/24 14:50:57
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Not sure why everyone is abandoning ship as it were...Cakewalk have advised that all legal users will get a special code that will allow off-line licencing IF/WHEN the servers are shut down. So therefore the current version of Sonar will work for years.
Further forget the whole Windows compatibility thing, I can still load up Home Studio and Sonar 8.5 on a W10 machine and they still run. So, I think there is a lot of "sheepish" action going on here TBH!
3rd party plugins will stop working sooner or later. Is it just me and my twisted imagination or am I seeing a lot of stubborn optimism here? " Not sure why everyone is abandoning ship as it were..." I'm pretty sure someone thought same ways on the deck of sinking Titanic.
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Re: message from Greg Ondo of Steinberg
2017/11/24 14:51:43
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Sonar continues ... maybe so, maybe not. If there is any doubt, I don't want to spend valuable time on projects where the platform could collapse at any moment (and it could).
Anyway, 'tis done. I have my Cubase Pro crossgrade order in.
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Re: message from Greg Ondo of Steinberg
2017/11/24 14:57:18
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konradh
I have been considering alternatives. This post alone tips the balance towards Cubase, which was already a top contender and I appreciate Steinberg's response. Steinberg could have taken a number of approaches to entice Cakewalk users. This approach is commendable.
PreSonus are announcing a Sonar specific offer on Tuesday, but until then we have no details of what it will be.
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Re: message from Greg Ondo of Steinberg
2017/11/24 15:02:13
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Cakewalk is 100 times better then anything else! you don't need to run out and get a new DAW just because they wave it under your nose! and at the end of the day you will end up using Sonar even if you waste money on this other ..... daws.....
Hay look, Somethings are not locked in stone... lol 3/18/2019
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Re: message from Greg Ondo of Steinberg
2017/11/24 15:04:46
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Cakewalk is 100 times better then anything else! you don't need to run out and get a new DAW just because they wave it under your nose! and at the end of the day you will end up using Sonar even if you waste money on this other ..... daws.....
This is true, I only have Sonar in my studio and it will stay that way. However, I run Studio One on my McBook as there was a slight issue with the Sonar port over to mac....
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Re: message from Greg Ondo of Steinberg
2017/11/24 15:05:17
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☄ Helpfulby nostradamust 2017/11/24 18:03:27
konradh
I have been considering alternatives. This post alone tips the balance towards Cubase, which was already a top contender and I appreciate Steinberg's response. Steinberg could have taken a number of approaches to entice Cakewalk users. This approach is commendable.
So you like Spammers on the Cakewalk forum? wow! 
Hay look, Somethings are not locked in stone... lol 3/18/2019
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Re: message from Greg Ondo of Steinberg
2017/11/24 15:11:43
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☄ Helpfulby Taurean Mixing 2017/11/24 17:04:36
ok, that's enough now. You've made your point clear.
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Re: message from Greg Ondo of Steinberg
2017/11/24 15:38:26
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Can you provide details of the hangout (URL, etc.) and how you want questions submitted. Greg Ondo
My name is Greg Ondo and I have represented Steinberg products for over 25 years in the United States. We were shocked to hear of Gibson's decision to cease development of the Cakewalk brand and products.....
We wanted to invite you to attend an interactive google hangout where you can ask specific questions on how to translate your workflows in a Cubase environment. You can send questions on what a feature is called in Cubase, where to locate and execute a function or how to do a specific type of edit. There may be features not available currently in Cubase and there will probably many that are similar but have different names....
If you are interested in attending the google hangout you can watch it live or offline and find info about it at at 12 PM US Eastern time November 28th. You can also submit questions in advance to . We will go through the submitted questions and do multiple hangouts or create a series if necessary.
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Re: message from Greg Ondo of Steinberg
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☄ Helpfulby synkrotron 2017/11/24 16:56:56
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Greg, will there be a 9.5 demo released before the Sonar crossgrade offer goes away? And does Melodyne function well in Cubase? I'm seeing a few posts about lack of ARA support and I'm not sure if this is necessary for Melodyne to work in a DAW. Thanks for the offer and any reply!
I think that they are working hard to get a trial version available as soon as possible. The Vari Audio works great and is just a part of the sample editor and can generate vocal harmonies that tie in musically with the chord track. I have not used other pitch tools since it was released. All the best, Greg
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Re: message from Greg Ondo of Steinberg
2017/11/24 15:47:09
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☄ Helpfulby Skyline_UK 2017/11/24 19:56:19
Where is the special pricing Mr. Steinberg? Today is the 24th... 
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Re: message from Greg Ondo of Steinberg
2017/11/24 15:53:53
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Has anyone seen the 50% off deal in the US? Not on the Steinberg shop or Sweetwater.
It apparently won't be available in the US until after the holiday according to what he posted on KVR.
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Re: message from Greg Ondo of Steinberg
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☄ Helpfulby Taurean Mixing 2017/11/24 17:05:26
I found this on YouTube, entitled Cubase Migration Hangout: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKdr7YZCcgw So that's apparently what Greg was referring to. Also, as soon as I see the lower Cubase crossgrade price posted, I'm pulling the trigger. I have no idea as to how long Sonar will continue to function. It could be many years, for all I know. But the uncertainty is enough to make me seek other options. I can't see investing any additional time into a dying platform. Cubase seems to be a mature and well thought out DAW which I am looking forward to using. Unlike some, I'm grateful to Cubase for posting here and for their special offer. I don't see them as vultures...not at all. They are simply smart business people who know that helping us at this time will help them in the long run. That sounds like a win-win to me.
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Re: message from Greg Ondo of Steinberg
2017/11/24 16:37:20
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Worries / concerns about the eLicenser (or iLok) are unfounded from my experience. They work, they are not a burden. They allow you to use software that is protected by them. I have both of those official dongles, and I have a Waves USB flash drive (a dongle based on any flash drive). So I have three dongles hanging off my laptop. They are bling. And I have access to a stupendous amount of great software capability. Going dongle less would be very constricting. The eLicenser dongle applies not only to Cubase but to some other fantastic effects and applications. P.S. Obviously with three dongles I'm using a USB mini hub that takes just one USB port. The three dongles attach to the mini hub.
post edited by lawajava - 2017/11/24 19:32:36
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Re: message from Greg Ondo of Steinberg
2017/11/24 16:43:15
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So, what about docking and undocking views. For instance, while working in Sonar, I always have track view on one monitor while I have console view on another monitor. Is that possible in Cubase? In Sonar I can undock any view and simple drag it to another monitor.
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Re: message from Greg Ondo of Steinberg
2017/11/24 16:53:56
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Greg.
Will Vari Audio convert polyphonic Audio to midi easily?
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Re: message from Greg Ondo of Steinberg
2017/11/24 17:04:59
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Cubase is obviously the "safe" choice, if you want to jump into a full-fledged choice. I remember liking it low these many years ago before choosing Cakewalk's Plasma I got in one of those mags. But looping? I'm in, when only ACID did it too.
I'm not quite ready to jump and I have tons of demos to try. But if I was ready to replace SONAR I'd probably buy Steinberg/Yamaha. I like SONAR better but in Yamaha I'd trust, and they own Cubase. Yamaha isn't going anywhere if you are feeling the burn right now.
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Re: message from Greg Ondo of Steinberg
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☄ Helpfulby Hangdog Cat 2017/11/24 17:34:39
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Re: message from Greg Ondo of Steinberg
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☄ Helpfulby Makzimia 2017/11/24 17:51:34
Cubase is very deep. Very impressive: https://youtu.be/1yO633YetPgMitch Gallagher and Steinberg's Greg Ondo present new features in Cubase 9.5 DAW software. Cubase Pro 9.5 boasts today's most advanced and in-demand audio tools in a massively comprehensive package. Steinberg assembled a dream team of its finest virtual instruments and designer audio effects to inspire in its users greater performances and groundbreaking mixes. An unlimited track count, flexible routing and rendering, and an award-winning audio engine will allow even veteran users to discover new and satisfying ways to craft audio.
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Re: message from Greg Ondo of Steinberg
2017/11/24 17:44:48
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I've jumped! Sent a pretty picture of my Platinum Licence details, waited a while as someone looked at the pretty picture, got an email and made the deal. Just waiting for a good old fashioned box to wing its way to me now  Grum. P.S. I know Sonar still works but I was looking at other DAWs just before this happened anyway - not sure why but something was bothering me
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Re: message from Greg Ondo of Steinberg
2017/11/24 17:47:38
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I used Cubase (4) before moving to Sonar years ago. Cubase had some usability issues that caused me to look elsewhere instead of upgrading, but everything about the program was top notch, clean, professional. I may go back to it but I don't really want to stop using Sonar until there are issues that cannot be resolved. I haven't gotten over the shock of the end of SPLAT, and haven't read many of the posts related to it. Was there any talk about another company buying out Cakewalk? By the time I start having Sonar issues, the 'crossgrade' or 'Sonar switch offer' will probably be long gone. Just not sure about swapping DAWs all of a sudden. I'm glad I finished my last album before this happened. Oh, and the dongle was no big deal, I just added a USB splitter on one of the ports and left the dongle plugged in all the time... no issues.
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Re: message from Greg Ondo of Steinberg
2017/11/24 17:55:53
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Cubase is very deep. Very impressive:
https://youtu.be/1yO633YetPg
Mitch Gallagher and Steinberg's Greg Ondo present new features in Cubase 9.5 DAW software. Cubase Pro 9.5 boasts today's most advanced and in-demand audio tools in a massively comprehensive package. Steinberg assembled a dream team of its finest virtual instruments and designer audio effects to inspire in its users greater performances and groundbreaking mixes. An unlimited track count, flexible routing and rendering, and an award-winning audio engine will allow even veteran users to discover new and satisfying ways to craft audio.
It is deep, but it's also as simple as you want it to be. You can add/remove a lot of the interface functions. I've been on it for a little over a year, and I'm still learning everything that it can do. The bundled plugs are excellent. I only go to third party plugs when I need something special.
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Re: message from Greg Ondo of Steinberg
2017/11/24 17:59:20
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If I do go this route I hope Cubase isn't as buggy as it was last time I used it - quite a few years ago :) The first time I used it was on an Atari ST around 1988ish.
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Re: message from Greg Ondo of Steinberg
2017/11/24 18:17:13
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My gut reaction is Cubase, partly because it is so well established and part of Yamaha.
However lack of ARA support is a deal breaker. I could not have finished my recent album without it.
Does Cubase 9.5 support ARA and if not, will it definitely be in the next version?
Is it possible to use 32bit and 64bit plugin's in the same instance of Cubase?
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Re: message from Greg Ondo of Steinberg
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☄ Helpfulby Mitch_I 2017/11/24 19:22:10
I am the owner of the most recent versions of Studio One, Cubase and the now discontinued Sonar Plat. I would encourage those who would take advantage of Cubase's offer to look at Studio One as well.
I say this because as a Sonar user, you may miss the ARA integration that Cubase doesn't support at this time. If you use Melodyne, Vocalign, etc., you may miss the tight integration that is supported by S1 and Sonar. Just something to keep in mind...
Cubase is a great product for sure and this is not meant to make anyone lean either way. I keep it around and current because I like the way it deals with chords and the chord track feature. It is very useful at times.
S1 has a scratchpad and an easier, less clicky workflow that I fully enjoy. It also, as mentioned, supports ARA functionality.
Take your time and flush out different DAWs before you pull out that card. Sonar is going to be functional for a good while hopefully.
As info, the dongle has been a non-issue for me and hasn't given me a moments trouble.
I hope Sonar will get picked up and continue to live on but for now...
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Re: message from Greg Ondo of Steinberg
2017/11/24 18:48:35
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I am the owner of the most recent versions of Studio One, Cubase and the now discontinued Sonar Plat. I would encourage those who would take advantage of Cubase's offer to look at Studio One as well.
I say this because as a Sonar user, you may miss the ARA integration that Cubase doesn't support at this time. If you use Melodyne, Vocalign, etc., you may miss the tight integration that is supported by S1 and Sonar. Just something to keep in mind...
Cubase is a great product for sure and this is not meant to make anyone lean either way. I keep it around and current because I like the way it deals with chords and the chord track feature. It is very useful at times.
S1 has a scratchpad and an easier, less clicky workflow that I fully enjoy. It also, as mentioned, supports ARA functionality.
Take your time and flush out different DAWs before you pull out that card. Sonar is going to be functional for a good while hopefully.
As info, the dongle has been a non-issue for me and hasn't given me a moments trouble.
I hope Sonar will get picked up and continue to live on but for now...
That's a useful post. Thanks. ARA is an issue for me too with Melodyne although Melodyne can still be used in Cubase without ARA. Hopefully, Cubase will add ARA soon. They seem to be a bit late to the party with that. To my mind, Cubase is the most similar to Sonar.
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Re: message from Greg Ondo of Steinberg
2017/11/24 19:45:23
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This ARA issues - does this mean that in Cubase, there is more latency using plugins?
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Re: message from Greg Ondo of Steinberg
2017/11/24 19:47:30
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This ARA issues - does this mean that in Cubase, there is more latency using plugins?
No. It means that you can't use tools like Melodyne right in the track view. You would have to use it as a plugin insert instead.
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