Zargg
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Re: Big announcement: #SONAR4 Life, #SONAR4Mac, #SONAR4You
2016/06/02 06:39:13
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tzzsmk lifetime license sounds really nice, but what really matters is the licensing/activation system, with all respect to Cakewalk, CCC is not pleasure to work with, for serious studio use of Sonar, computers being completely offline (due to security and functional reasons), it appears fairly impossible to use Sonar - I would really like to see something like "export iLok license" within CCC, so it would be possible to run Sonar on offline production computers
For this, you use offline activation. I hope they never go iLok
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Re: Big announcement: #SONAR4 Life, #SONAR4Mac, #SONAR4You
2016/06/02 06:51:40
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The announcment is pretty major! But for the majority of existing users I suspect the MAC version is not going to raise too much excitment. I use a PC, and particularly since Win 10 it just works! I had been waiting for the announcment before jumping on the lifetime option, but I will be doing so now, with gusto. It looks like there is a lot of good stuff in the pipeline. Yes there is an element of uncertanty about how long lifetime will be, but nothing is certain in life and this looks like an excellent deal.
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Re: Big announcement: #SONAR4 Life, #SONAR4Mac, #SONAR4You
2016/06/02 06:51:54
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I guess Im ok with sonar being planned for mac now BUT I just hope cakewalk doesn't ditch sonar pc and makes it mac only in the near future...
post edited by orhanproject - 2016/06/02 07:14:09
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Re: Big announcement: #SONAR4 Life, #SONAR4Mac, #SONAR4You
2016/06/02 07:21:38
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I'm very happy.- Lifetime updates already........ Thanks Cakewalk's team.... Cheers from Argentina.- And, i only paid the difference just like i read before.... not full price.. I'd renew platinum in january......
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Re: Big announcement: #SONAR4 Life, #SONAR4Mac, #SONAR4You
2016/06/02 07:22:24
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☄ Helpfulby tlw 2016/06/02 14:36:40
Saw this bit of news over in the Motunation forum (it covers Digital Performer and other MOTU products) and I thought Hades had just frozen over. I remember from years back (I started with Sonar 3 Producer and ended up with S8P) whenever someone asked for Sonar on a Mac they would get roasted like a pig on a spit. Even the 'corporate heads' said there would never be a Mac version. Well - it has happened. I can see this possibly picking up a lot of business from those unhappy with the current state of things in ProTools land. PT12.5 is an unmitigated disaster. Full disclosure - when I left Sonar I went to (on a Mac) PT and thence on to DP when Avid started with the subscription nonsense (I ain't a fan of subscription s/w no matter the developer). I love working on a Mac native and would never have Windoze on one. So welcome to the Mac world Sonarites - enjoy the journey. I just hope that sooner rather than later Sonar supports au format on OSX otherwise the expected growth that Gibson is looking at won't go too far. Jack aka musicman691 on Motunation and the DUC
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Re: Big announcement: #SONAR4 Life, #SONAR4Mac, #SONAR4You
2016/06/02 07:39:58
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A question to the bakers regarding SONAR OSX Alpha ... What are the min spec and OS requirements ? also , is it to early to ask this ? Kenny
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Re: Big announcement: #SONAR4 Life, #SONAR4Mac, #SONAR4You
2016/06/02 08:15:19
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astaub For all this from Europe Peoples.... I has paid "Lifetime update" now for 105.26 sFr. = 106.45 US$ @purchase time ( not 99 US$). Plus Tax ( MwSt. 8%) = 113.68 sFr = 114,98 US$
What you forget is that Switzerland is NOT in the Europe (Union) Europe (Union) has no Taxes under 17%: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Union_value_added_tax
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Re: Big announcement: #SONAR4 Life, #SONAR4Mac, #SONAR4You
2016/06/02 08:27:43
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☄ Helpfulby Nino Vargas 2016/06/02 08:49:08
noynekker A few months ago I purchased a higher end PC laptop, despite everyone I know saying no, no, get a MAC . . . but I said no, no . . . my favourite DAW Cakewalk Sonar has never ever mentioned a MAC version was on their horizon. So yeah, a bit surprised by all this. Frankly, I was expecting the recent marketing hype to something more substantial, like better notation, or another joint venture with a major plugin maker, or another cutting edge DAW breakthrough that Cakewalk is famous for. Only 1.5 years into the "new" membership plan, the rules change . . . lifetime updates, guess I should feel grateful, but instead I feel a bit confused. The money I've been spending helping and supporting Cakewalk every year, to further develop the software, well . . . now they're saying that's not so important. Seems it's now become more important to buy Cakewalk's other products / plugins / add-ons to offer my support. Problem is, I've already bought most of the plugins / VSTi's that I need elsewhere, and it will probably be cheaper to update those instead of buying new Cakewalk plugs etc . . . now Cakewalk is finally catching up with their own offerings of mastering plugins, Quad curve EQ with Spectrum Analyzer, VST3 Synths, better Drum plugins . . . but sorry, I already bought that stuff somewhere else. I remember Cakewalk saying (in 2015) it would probably cost $199 for the next years membership update, but somehow they gave us a deal of $99 in (in 2016) . . . now they want that $99 for "lifetime updates", guess I should feel grateful, but instead I feel confused. Most of the recent Cakewalk Sonar new features, I have no use for . . . BUT, I do really appreciate many of the core improvements, making recording, mixing and creating, a much smoother process. For that reason I will spend the $99 to get my "lifetime updates" . . . but I worry Cakewalk will not get any more of my money in the future ? . . . how can that be a good business plan ? . . . just hope they know what they're doing.
This is a limited time offer, only for those who have fully purchased two full years of membership for Sonar Platinum. There are a lot of folks who don't have Platinum that will either continue with the annual/monthly membership, or will pay to jump to Platinum from whatever version they are on. That's a huge pool of users, I would think. New users will either have to fully buy in, at full price, for lifetime updates (assuming Cakewalk offers that after 8/31), and all others will continue the membership model. I don't see Cakewalk losing out on that much revenue, and will likely make it up elsewhere, especially if the Mac version is even moderately successful. In short, I'm grateful, and not worried. Regards, Dan
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Brando
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Re: Big announcement: #SONAR4 Life, #SONAR4Mac, #SONAR4You
2016/06/02 08:36:07
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Glyn Barnes The announcment is pretty major! But for the majority of existing users I suspect the MAC version is not going to raise too much excitment. I use a PC, and particularly since Win 10 it just works! I had been waiting for the announcment before jumping on the lifetime option, but I will be doing so now, with gusto. It looks like there is a lot of good stuff in the pipeline. Yes there is an element of uncertanty about how long lifetime will be, but nothing is certain in life and this looks like an excellent deal.
Exactly as I see it. Though - Maybe the next DAW I build will be a Hackintosh. Welcome on board.
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Nino Vargas
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Re: Big announcement: #SONAR4 Life, #SONAR4Mac, #SONAR4You
2016/06/02 08:37:07
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Thanks Mr Dcumpiam ,I bought x1, x2 update, x3, platinum, and now 200 euros to update for life?I'm not rich !
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Re: Big announcement: #SONAR4 Life, #SONAR4Mac, #SONAR4You
2016/06/02 08:44:57
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Excellent, Bakers! Looking forward to further Sonar developments. It's going to be another exciting year in Cakeland!
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Re: Big announcement: #SONAR4 Life, #SONAR4Mac, #SONAR4You
2016/06/02 08:57:20
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vladasyn I don't see it being answered. So let's say I have Platinum and I don't upgrade to Lifetime updates- what will happens next year when my subscription year ends? Will I be charged renewal? Also after August 31st, there will be no "lifetime updates," so what will be for sale? Subscription with yearly paid renewals? Wow- I did not think of Logic. I was Logic 4 and Logic 5 user. I remember how they offered us Logic 5 update on PC and it was the last update for Windows. I see it is possible to happen. Apple is sneaky and unethical this way.
But Apple DOES NOT OWN CAKEWALK
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letyourlightshine
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Re: Big announcement: #SONAR4 Life, #SONAR4Mac, #SONAR4You
2016/06/02 09:01:12
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orhanproject I guess Im ok with sonar being planned for mac now BUT I just hope cakewalk doesn't ditch sonar pc and makes it mac only in the near future...
Why would they ditch it?
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Re: Big announcement: #SONAR4 Life, #SONAR4Mac, #SONAR4You
2016/06/02 09:01:49
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dcumpian
noynekker A few months ago I purchased a higher end PC laptop, despite everyone I know saying no, no, get a MAC . . . but I said no, no . . . my favourite DAW Cakewalk Sonar has never ever mentioned a MAC version was on their horizon. So yeah, a bit surprised by all this. Frankly, I was expecting the recent marketing hype to something more substantial, like better notation, or another joint venture with a major plugin maker, or another cutting edge DAW breakthrough that Cakewalk is famous for. Only 1.5 years into the "new" membership plan, the rules change . . . lifetime updates, guess I should feel grateful, but instead I feel a bit confused. The money I've been spending helping and supporting Cakewalk every year, to further develop the software, well . . . now they're saying that's not so important. Seems it's now become more important to buy Cakewalk's other products / plugins / add-ons to offer my support. Problem is, I've already bought most of the plugins / VSTi's that I need elsewhere, and it will probably be cheaper to update those instead of buying new Cakewalk plugs etc . . . now Cakewalk is finally catching up with their own offerings of mastering plugins, Quad curve EQ with Spectrum Analyzer, VST3 Synths, better Drum plugins . . . but sorry, I already bought that stuff somewhere else. I remember Cakewalk saying (in 2015) it would probably cost $199 for the next years membership update, but somehow they gave us a deal of $99 in (in 2016) . . . now they want that $99 for "lifetime updates", guess I should feel grateful, but instead I feel confused. Most of the recent Cakewalk Sonar new features, I have no use for . . . BUT, I do really appreciate many of the core improvements, making recording, mixing and creating, a much smoother process. For that reason I will spend the $99 to get my "lifetime updates" . . . but I worry Cakewalk will not get any more of my money in the future ? . . . how can that be a good business plan ? . . . just hope they know what they're doing.
This is a limited time offer, only for those who have fully purchased two full years of membership for Sonar Platinum. There are a lot of folks who don't have Platinum that will either continue with the annual/monthly membership, or will pay to jump to Platinum from whatever version they are on. That's a huge pool of users, I would think. New users will either have to fully buy in, at full price, for lifetime updates (assuming Cakewalk offers that after 8/31), and all others will continue the membership model. I don't see Cakewalk losing out on that much revenue, and will likely make it up elsewhere, especially if the Mac version is even moderately successful. In short, I'm grateful, and not worried. Regards, Dan
Well said
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carlman
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Re: Big announcement: #SONAR4 Life, #SONAR4Mac, #SONAR4You
2016/06/02 09:02:21
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I never received any email regarding this announcement. Were they sent out?
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letyourlightshine
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Re: Big announcement: #SONAR4 Life, #SONAR4Mac, #SONAR4You
2016/06/02 09:02:33
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Nino Vargas Thanks Mr Dcumpiam ,I bought x1, x2 update, x3, platinum, and now 200 euros to update for life?I'm not rich !
It's for life man.save money ,it would save you money in long term right
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AllanH
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Re: Big announcement: #SONAR4 Life, #SONAR4Mac, #SONAR4You
2016/06/02 09:44:30
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This is really mostly a big announcement for Cakewalk, not so much for me as a Platinum member. As much as I appreciate no longer having to pay additional money annually for upgrades, the cost of Sonar is small in comparison to the costs of instruments (VSTs, keyboards, etc.). I would, as crazy as it sounds, actually prefer to pay if it means that that Cakewalk has a sustainable business model. At this point, Cakewalk appears to have bet their future on new/recurring Artist and Pro members and the hopes for a new Mac business. I does nicely align with the information that most new customers, at least for a while, were Artist, and so maybe the Platinum members are of no fiscal relevance to Cakewalk, but valuable for the community.
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bapu
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Re: Big announcement: #SONAR4 Life, #SONAR4Mac, #SONAR4You
2016/06/02 09:47:32
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declan You're the only person I've seen here that started with CWPA4, I can't believe what I did with 16mb ram. Lots of copying & pasting?
Now you've seen two. The only upgrade I skipped was SONAR 2. To this day I'm not sure why I did.
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Re: Big announcement: #SONAR4 Life, #SONAR4Mac, #SONAR4You
2016/06/02 09:56:26
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I skipped Sonar 2 as well Ed, because I was running Home Studio back in those days. Once I jumped into Sonar, I have never missed an upgrade or a plug in that they have released for Pro Channel. Like AllanH, it has always been more about supporting Cakewalk, because I wanted to contribute to making sure that the software kept advancing.
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Re: Big announcement: #SONAR4 Life, #SONAR4Mac, #SONAR4You
2016/06/02 09:59:11
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Bought the lifetime sub yesterday. This morning, SONAR | About told me I'm good until 12/24/2037! Christmas Eve. Do the Bakers have another present in store for us in 21 years? And my new G&L guitar is on the UPS truck out for delivery. What a day!!!
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bapu
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Re: Big announcement: #SONAR4 Life, #SONAR4Mac, #SONAR4You
2016/06/02 10:03:43
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michaelhanson I skipped Sonar 2 as well Ed, because I was running Home Studio back in those days. Once I jumped into Sonar, I have never missed an upgrade or a plug in that they have released for Pro Channel. Like AllanH, it has always been more about supporting Cakewalk, because I wanted to contribute to making sure that the software kept advancing.
So we truly are twin brothers from another mother.
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Re: Big announcement: #SONAR4 Life, #SONAR4Mac, #SONAR4You
2016/06/02 10:04:38
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While it does seem a little too generous for Cakewalk to offer lifetime updates instead of sticking with the annual update plan, I gotta think that they wouldn't knowingly shoot themselves in the foot. As as discussed previously, the lifetime membership doesn't appear as though it'll be available to everyone...just a thank you to Platinum users who've renewed, etc. Considering these new announcements and aggressive plans for the future, I gotta think that the last 18 months have been quite successful for Cakewalk, thereby allowing them to offer a "too good to be true" scenario without risking their financial stability.
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Re: Big announcement: #SONAR4 Life, #SONAR4Mac, #SONAR4You
2016/06/02 10:04:41
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TheMaartian Bought the lifetime sub yesterday. This morning, SONAR | About told me I'm good until 12/24/2037! Christmas Eve. Do the Bakers have another present in store for us in 21 years? And my new G&L guitar is on the UPS truck out for delivery. What a day!!!
After you get the latest update from CCC (or manually install) you should have the infinity symbol.
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Re: Big announcement: #SONAR4 Life, #SONAR4Mac, #SONAR4You
2016/06/02 10:09:12
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bapu
michaelhanson I skipped Sonar 2 as well Ed, because I was running Home Studio back in those days. Once I jumped into Sonar, I have never missed an upgrade or a plug in that they have released for Pro Channel. Like AllanH, it has always been more about supporting Cakewalk, because I wanted to contribute to making sure that the software kept advancing.
So we truly are twin brothers from another mother.
Other than you got the Alembic. Bazz bros.
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bapu
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Re: Big announcement: #SONAR4 Life, #SONAR4Mac, #SONAR4You
2016/06/02 10:09:24
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streckfus While it does seem a little too generous for Cakewalk to offer lifetime updates instead of sticking with the annual update plan
If you have kept up you would know that the annual update plan IS NOT being abandoned. CW staffers have repeatedly said here that it's your choice between the two. The offer for lifetime expires on Aug 31. That alone should tell you that annual plans are NOT going away.
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Re: Big announcement: #SONAR4 Life, #SONAR4Mac, #SONAR4You
2016/06/02 10:21:24
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bapu
streckfus While it does seem a little too generous for Cakewalk to offer lifetime updates instead of sticking with the annual update plan
If you have kept up you would know that the annual update plan IS NOT being abandoned. CW staffers have repeatedly said here that it's your choice between the two. The offer for lifetime expires on Aug 31. That alone should tell you that annual plans are NOT going away.
Yes, I know. I was referring to other comments expressing concern about what lifetime updates would do to Cakewalk's revenue. The point I was trying to make was that although a lifetime update plan may initially seem like a huge gamble, the fact that it isn't being offered to everyone along with their aggressive plans and track record over the past 18 months indicates that they appear to be in pretty good shape and we shouldn't worry about any of this "end of life" stuff.
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Re: Big announcement: #SONAR4 Life, #SONAR4Mac, #SONAR4You
2016/06/02 10:59:48
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As a Console1 user I am super pleased woth the new announcement. Also I love the idea of the workspaces and swip gestures. And improved plugin load is ALWAYS a good idea. If all of this happens in 2016 I would be hugely impressed!
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Re: Big announcement: #SONAR4 Life, #SONAR4Mac, #SONAR4You
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☄ Helpfulby FCCfirstclass 2016/06/02 11:50:45
OK I did the deed and am now officially a Lifer (To Infinity And Beyond, as the saying goes). Thought I'd put in my 2 shekels about the announcement, since everyone else and his dog seems to have done so already... 1. Lifetime Updates. I've heard some complaining that it's a 'cash grab', and cparmerlee has pointed out that in essence they're asking us to prepay for 2017 updates, before we've even received all the 2016 ones we've already prepaid for, so that we won't even break even on what we likely would have paid until 2018. That's fair enough, but given the ROI that I've generally seen from CW over the time I've been trusting them with my investments in music technology, I still feel it's a relatively safe gamble. If they somehow drop the ball so completely that I feel truly let down, it will be pretty much the first time in our long association... and I will still feel overall that I did fairly well out of the bargain. But I doubt it; I'm betting I'll be a happy camper well into 2018 (and I'm not usually a betting man). 2. Sonar for Mac. I posited in the Giant Great Big Enormous Speculation thread (not suggesting this was an especially brilliant observation, but as a point of departure) that the Lifetime Updates thing was a dip into their pool of existing users' goodwill that would provide a cash bump to help finance some big developments, that would in turn bring in enough new users to keep everything ticking along, so that everybody wins in the long term. That still seems like a reasonable enough assessment of the situation to me. If Sonar for Mac is that big new development, so be it. I don't currently have any use for it, as I have no computers running MacOS and no plans to switch - BUT, at least now I will have that option if it becomes salient for whatever reason. Virtually everything else I'm invested into is cross-platform, aside from Sound Forge which I use less and less these days and haven't updated in a few years. With Sonar running natively on MacOS, I *could* switch if I need to, which is nice to know. But even if I never do, I don't have a problem with it. As Craig has pointed out elsewhere, all of us wild speculators don't really have any idea how any of this fits into the overall business plan, and we lack any of the likely substantial data and research it's based on. CW is not a big company, but they have managed to stay in business for a long time, and they have the backing of a much bigger company that has been in business for a much longer time, so I highly doubt these decisions are made capriciously. If they are betting the farm on this, they doubtless have pretty solid reasons for believing it will pay off. I sincerely hope it does, and if my vote of confidence by pre-paying to be a Lifer helps them make it happen, and stay in business, and keep sending me Awesome Updates until the end of time, then I'm happy to give it. Plus, it will be nice, one day, when someone asks me what platform I work on and I say Sonar, not to get a quizzical blank stare. I'd like to get a (much more appropriate) approving nod. 3. Commitment to Awesomeness. What can I say? I am in favour of Awesomeness. I think Sonar is pretty awesome already, and the people that made it so are telling us they have plans to make it more so, and letting us in on *some* of those plans. What's not to like? I don't really do much in the way of take and comp editing, but hey - as above, I might someday, and it's nice to know they're working on making it Double Plus Awesome. Same goes for Console 1 integration - I don't have one, don't plan to buy one immediately, but I hear good things about it and you never know. I am, on the other hand, very very excited about Ripple editing, which will impact me much more directly. But someone else might not care about it, and that's how it goes. I find it weird that people are actually upset about CW putting resources into developing features that don't impact them directly and immediately. That just seems very self-defeating to me - what happens when the shoe is on the other foot? Anyway. Enough said, I need to get back to work, but these were my thoughts as I made the decision to plonk down the PayPal and make this thing permanent. Put a ring on it, as the song says...
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Re: Big announcement: #SONAR4 Life, #SONAR4Mac, #SONAR4You
2016/06/02 11:25:08
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subtlearts OK I did the deed and am now officially a Lifer (To Infinity And Beyond, as the saying goes). Thought I'd put in my 2 shekels about the announcement, since everyone else and his dog seems to have done so already... 1. Lifetime Updates. I've heard some complaining that it's a 'cash grab', and cparmerlee has pointed out that in essence they're asking us to prepay for 2017 updates, before we've even received all the 2016 ones we've already prepaid for, so that we won't even break even on what we likely would have paid until 2018. That's fair enough, but given the ROI that I've generally seen from CW over the time I've been trusting them with my investments in music technology, I still feel it's a relatively safe gamble. If they somehow drop the ball so completely that I feel truly let down, it will be pretty much the first time in our long association... and I will still feel overall that I did fairly well out of the bargain. But I doubt it; I'm betting I'll be a happy camper well into 2018 (and I'm not usually a betting man). 2. Sonar for Mac. I posited in the Giant Great Big Enormous Speculation thread (not suggesting this was an especially brilliant observation, but as a point of departure) that the Lifetime Updates thing was a dip into their pool of existing users' goodwill that would provide a cash bump to help finance some big developments, that would in turn bring in enough new users to keep everything ticking along, so that everybody wins in the long term. That still seems like a reasonable enough assessment of the situation to me. If Sonar for Mac is that big new development, so be it. I don't currently have any use for it, as I have no computers running MacOS and no plans to switch - BUT, at least now I will have that option if it becomes salient for whatever reason. Virtually everything else I'm invested into is cross-platform, aside from Sound Forge which I use less and less these days and haven't updated in a few years. With Sonar running natively on MacOS, I *could* switch if I need to, which is nice to know. But even if I never do, I don't have a problem with it. As Craig has pointed out elsewhere, all of us wild speculators don't really have any idea how any of this fits into the overall business plan, and we lack any of the likely substantial data and research it's based on. CW is not a big company, but they have managed to stay in business for a long time, and they have the backing of a much bigger company that has been in business for a much longer time, so I highly doubt these decisions are made capriciously. If they are betting the farm on this, they doubtless have pretty solid reasons for believing it will pay off. I sincerely hope it does, and if my vote of confidence by pre-paying to be a Lifer helps them make it happen, and stay in business, and keep sending me Awesome Updates until the end of time, then I'm happy to give it. Plus, it will be nice, one day, when someone asks me what platform I work on and I say Sonar, not to get a quizzical blank stare. I'd like to get a (much more appropriate) approving nod. 3. Commitment to Awesomeness. What can I say? I am in favour of Awesomeness. I think Sonar is pretty awesome already, and the people that made it so are telling us they have plans to make it more so, and letting us in on *some* of those plans. What's not to like? I don't really do much in the way of take and comp editing, but hey - as above, I might someday, and it's nice to know they're working on making it Double Plus Awesome. Same goes for Console 1 integration - I don't have one, don't plan to buy one immediately, but I hear good things about it and you never know. I am, on the other hand, very very excited about Ripple editing, which will impact me much more directly. But someone else might not care about it, and that's how it goes. I find it weird that people are actually upset about CW putting resources into developing features that don't impact them directly and immediately. That just seems very self-defeating to me - what happens when the shoe is on the other foot? Anyway. Enough said, I need to get back to work, but these were my thoughts as I made the decision to plonk down the PayPal and make this thing permanent. Put a ring on it, as the song says...
No matter how I may kid about the announcement you've expressed my feelings exactly subtlehearts. I too own a license for Mixbus, Studio One 3 Pro and Reaper. All Mac OS cross platform. So, if sometime in 2017 or beyond I would be required/compelled to go to a Mac, it would seem I could as long as my RME interface still works there
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Re: Big announcement: #SONAR4 Life, #SONAR4Mac, #SONAR4You
2016/06/02 11:33:09
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tzzsmk lifetime license sounds really nice, but what really matters is the licensing/activation system, with all respect to Cakewalk, CCC is not pleasure to work with, for serious studio use of Sonar, computers being completely offline (due to security and functional reasons), it appears fairly impossible to use Sonar - I would really like to see something like "export iLok license" within CCC, so it would be possible to run Sonar on offline production computers
For this, you use offline activation. I hope they never go iLok
Using the CCC and trying to install it on a computer not conected to the internet, was a pretty major pain. I spent many hours yesterday trying to get it to actually install. I had various problems, trying on different Win 7 computers to determine if there was perhaps an issue with one of them, etc..(these are all computers that run X3 Producer perfectly). Even connecting to the internet instead of the real off-line activation. I still don't know why I installed it with the CCC, got the green light and the launch button. Yet nothing happened after hitting launch. Nothing. I eventually just launched the .exe by itself to try to get it to work. I'm concerned that the CCC isn't going to see it on the next update, and I don't know how any overrides are going to work and I don't have the disc space to let installs pile up.
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