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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/12/02 15:22:44
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I’ve done some more checking.
Cakewalk announced an end to 64 bit DAW on Jan 20 2005 during Sonar 4 Lifetime with a free preview available.
On 7 September 2005 Sonar 5 was released fully 64 bit.
Reaper released as freeware December 2005 see Reaper Wikipedia
Sorry I’m doing this on my phone and it’s a pain to grab links and paste them
Mike V. (MUDGEL) STUDIO: Win 10 Pro x64, SPlat & CbB x64, PC: ASUS Z370-A, INTEL i7 8700k, 32GIG DDR4 2400, OC 4.7Ghz. Storage: 7 TB SATA III, 750GiG SSD & Samsung 500 Gig 960 EVO NVMe M.2. Monitors: Adam A7X, JBL 10” Sub. Audio I/O & DSP Server: DIGIGRID IOS & IOX. Screen: Raven MTi + 43" HD 4K TV Monitor. Keyboard Controller: Native Instruments Komplete Kontrol S88.
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ivanh3
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/12/02 15:36:04
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the_user_formally_known_as_glennbo
ivanh3Having said that, due to other projects I have also maintained a Pro Tools subscription, and I also keep Reaper on my machine. I can honestly do just about anything I need (YMMV) with Reaper, but PT is more ubiquitous and easier to collaborate online. I also prefer the signal routing on PT even more so than Sonar and Reaper. In any case, I wish everyone luck in finding a new DAW. There are good ones out there.
Could you give an example of what kind of routing you can do in PT that you can't do in REAPER, or is it just easier to get there in PT? I have both Sonar and REAPER and am just curious.
I route my drum tracks to two busses so that each buss has an identical mix. I put a gentle compressor (small ratio, high threshold depending on the style of the drummer) on the second mix and slowly bring the volume up until the drums "open" up. On Pro Tools, I can easily just assign the track to multiple busses. On Sonar and Reaper, I have to use sends. I can achieve the exact same effect, but with Pro Tools it is much easier to do.
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/12/02 16:07:31
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ivanh3
the_user_formally_known_as_glennbo
ivanh3Having said that, due to other projects I have also maintained a Pro Tools subscription, and I also keep Reaper on my machine. I can honestly do just about anything I need (YMMV) with Reaper, but PT is more ubiquitous and easier to collaborate online. I also prefer the signal routing on PT even more so than Sonar and Reaper. In any case, I wish everyone luck in finding a new DAW. There are good ones out there.
Could you give an example of what kind of routing you can do in PT that you can't do in REAPER, or is it just easier to get there in PT? I have both Sonar and REAPER and am just curious.
I route my drum tracks to two busses so that each buss has an identical mix. I put a gentle compressor (small ratio, high threshold depending on the style of the drummer) on the second mix and slowly bring the volume up until the drums "open" up. On Pro Tools, I can easily just assign the track to multiple busses. On Sonar and Reaper, I have to use sends. I can achieve the exact same effect, but with Pro Tools it is much easier to do.
Cool. Thanks for that info. I use the built-in parallel compression with Waves DBX160 for a similar reason, but on multiple channels for kick, snare, Etc.
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/12/02 16:07:42
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I've used Sonar since X1 came out and been very happy with it. Recently purchased the latest version from one of the big retailers. I don't want to return it. Figure I'll keep using it until it stops working but I called them to let them know it's shutting down since they're still offering it for sale on their website. Got nice platitudes about passing the information up the chain but I'd bet they still have it for sale next week. I did notice that Sweetwater has made it unavailable on it's website. For price and features I don't think there's a better DAW out there. Sorry to see it go.
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/12/02 16:14:03
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☄ Helpfulby Dazzell 2017/12/03 01:08:31
mudgel
I’ve done some more checking.
Cakewalk announced an end to 64 bit DAW on Jan 20 2005 during Sonar 4 Lifetime with a free preview available.
On 7 September 2005 Sonar 5 was released fully 64 bit.
Reaper released as freeware December 2005 see Reaper Wikipedia
Sorry I’m doing this on my phone and it’s a pain to grab links and paste them
I'm pretty sure earlier in the thread we determined that, Sonar was both 64-bit internal and had a 64-bit executable in 2005. REAPER was 64-bit internal, but not 64-bit executable until a bit later. That and REAPER can be purchased today, and Sonar cannot, so it's all a wash!!! ;)
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/12/02 18:17:35
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☄ Helpfulby rspagnuolo 2017/12/02 20:24:13
I already own Cubase and I also have the product from Presonus, "Studio One 3.5".
But neither these other audio workstations have the transparency of Sonar nor, for example, the ability to export DSD files. But DSD files are not the only qualities that I do not want to give up on Sonar.
English is not my language, I'm from Switzerland, but I'll still miss the people of Cakewalk. I understand that Sonar developers are not average employees, they do not deserve to be shot down that way.
I wish a new Sonar "Platinum" under the Christmas Tree, but with the same people in the background as before, with the same great users of this great audio workstation. Social security should be at the center of our interest for such great people who have been with us for so long in our musical life.
Many thanks to all employees of Cakewalk and all here in the forum.
Cakewalk Sonar Platinum (Lifetime), Cakewalk by BandLab (Beta), Steinberg UR28M, Windows 8.1 , Notion 6 (Presonus), Dorico 1.2x (Steinberg), Cubase 9.5.x Pro. , Studio One 3.5x (Presonus), WaveLab Pro 9.5.x (Steinberg) Halion 6.x
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italy1234
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/12/02 21:03:55
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Maybe sometime they will return their development in the field. Hope is dying last.
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/12/02 23:19:43
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I am extremely surprised nobody has extended a qualifying offer to purchase Cakewalk, or at least SONAR.
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Veets
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/12/02 23:59:50
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This is very sad to hear! So I hope they don't do what Voyetra did. I had DOP and used it side by side with Cakewalk. When I purchased a new computer, I went to install DOP and Voyetra took down the servers. Voyetra needed an end user to register the serial number whenever you did a new install. Well, I had useless software that I wasn't able to use it and that was that! At some point, servers will be taken down, whether they fail and need to be replaced or just phased out because it costs money to run them. I see that cakewalk said they will not take them down but my guess is at some point they will take them down. Will Cakewalk offer an open source code so that we can continue to use it as is? I asked Voyetra that question and they said no because they owned the software. The other sad issue is the many people who need to find jobs. I guess we just need to stay tuned and see what will happen!
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/12/03 00:18:28
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The more I think about this the angrier I get. Not just about the Sonar decision, but how it was handled. They offered a sale on the annual membership up through the end of October. That's just a few weeks ago. They had to know at that time that they were going to be doing this. And yet they screw their customers anyway. If I don't get a refund or at least a partial refund I'm going on a crusade to let everybody know to never buy any Gibson products and I just might sell my Les Paul also. There is a sense of right and wrong and how you treat your customers. Enticing your loyal customers to purchase an annual membership renewal on a product they knew they would no longer be developing is unethical and maybe illegal. The promise was to get monthly updates, which we will not get.
I agree! This decision wasn't just made overnight. I bought the lifetime update and paid $200.00. Had I known this was going to happen, I would have held off. Does anyone know when Gibson purchased Cakewalk? I can't do anything since it was last year but if anyone purchased updates after Gibson bought Cakewalk, reach out to the Attorney General's office. Years ago, there was a dept store called Bradley's. They were like a Kohl's. They sold clothing, electronics, etc. They sold gift cards way before Christmas time and up until Christmas Eve. They filed Chapter 11 and closed the day after Christmas. The attorney general's office would not allow the chapter 11 to go through until Bradley's refunded every gift card they sold during the holidays. I hope the people that work there find other jobs. I have a Les Paul too and was thinking about buying a Gibson acoustic, but I refuse to give them any more of my hard earned money!
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/12/03 00:45:03
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☄ Helpfulby jaxman12 2017/12/03 02:29:58
From what I can gather from all the official information posted so far:
1. When Roland sold Cakewalk to Gibson it had been steadily losing money each year
2. Gibson made some changes and gave Cakewalk the chance to turn it around
3. Cakewalk made changes, but were too little to late - so Gibson pulled the plug.
I'm sure the senior execs at Cakewalk were trying their best to turn things around until the last minute, but in the end it was Gibson's money they were losing. Gibson obviously thought enough was enough.
Now I'm sure there were plenty of things that could have been done differently, both by Cakewalk and by Gibson - Craig Anderton's ideas to my mind would have been perfect to create alternative revenue streams, whilst keeping up interest from existing Sonar users. But in the end, Gibson has enough debt and they can't have one of their brands making their situation worse.
I've just gone through a similar thing in my day job, where the product I was working on was canned by our parent company for exactly the same reason. Luckily we all got the opportunity to work on other products, which is working out great for us all. It's a pity that Gibson, being a hardware company, couldn't do the same for their Cakewalk employees.
I doubt very much that the lifetime updates were put out in the knowledge that Cakewalk would be closing. I'm sure the senior exec's knew of the risk of Cakewalk being closed unless they made a profit, but as has been said in other threads, this was part of a greater strategy to turn the company around. Unfortunately, it wasn't turning things around quick enough for Gibson.
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/12/03 00:45:18
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☄ Helpfulby jaxman12 2017/12/03 02:30:30
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Knock on the Microsoft's door they are more fit and uptodate in PC softwares than Gibson !
genial idea!
and they were looking for developers & audio specialists short time ago.
they have the power to make sonar the "logic" from Microsoft :-)
Microsoft would most probably be the worst company to bet on. Just take a peek over how much MS abanonded over the last few years, both hardware as software. As for SONAR, I don't even consider using any other DAW, as long as it works it's my number one choice. As for Gibson, they should have stopped being greedy and stuck with what they are known for, guitars.
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/12/03 01:02:36
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/12/03 01:20:46
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I read a few posts as to what would happen if Microsoft purchased Sonar and then I thought, what about Google or Apple? I mean I know Apple has Garage Band but possibly integrate them both? I don't know, I just don't want to see it go away or the developers lose their jobs.
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/12/03 02:52:37
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Just a quick shout out to all here for the good advice given over the years.
I have been a Cakewalk user since version 2.0 (1994), which came out on 3.5" floppy discs.
I will continue to use Sonar for as long as I can. I really hope that someone purchases the brand name and the source code and at least keeps selling it and keeps the forums alive.
Peace out,
Phil Darg
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/12/03 09:22:03
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pdarg
I will continue to use Sonar for as long as I can. I really hope that someone purchases the brand name and the source code and at least keeps selling it and keeps the forums alive.
Peace out,
Phil Darg
OMG ... I can't believe it ... I bought my update few days ago ...and now? I am deeply saddened by what happened ... but not for the money ... but for the human events that are in these events! I will continue to use sonar until some other company acquires it. and will block w10 updates to maintain stability ... and if there is a need to pay the update again to save cakewalk, I will be there. sincerely elix
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/12/03 13:46:53
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Lifetime updates One year out of It!!
Someone knew about this all along as we all have been hoodwinked
Losing LoungeLizzard and True pianos and a host of other things is atrocious
If Cakewalk go down then our lifetime guarantees should apply to all the vst's from third parties and we should get the right to use them outside Cakewalk. It Is the least repayment that Gibson could do.
All the luvvies are SAD for what! "You all should be LIVID"
There is a lot of users on low budgets and they are the biggest losers out of all this especially the younger generation.
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/12/03 14:47:37
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I cant use Prochannel modules in another DAW. It's a really sad fact. They have another format. So sad. So long used Sonar and now I dont want change DAW. I hope another company will buy Cakewalk sometime. Z3ta2 and Rapture Pro will disappear too. I very often use these instruments. And I can use TTS1 for a fast arrangement. And after I'm recording realy instruments. Its usefull plugin for me
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/12/03 15:14:42
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☄ Helpfulby reza 2017/12/04 07:41:34
I am really REALLY surprised / shocked and disappointed, Cakewalk was the reason I got into making and recording music in the first place, I remember saving up to buy Cakewalk as a teenager, and I loved seeing the advances and growth of the Software over the years. I wish all the Developers and Creators that worked on and contributed to Cakewalk over the years all the best and I pray that they find a place amongst some of the other companies that make up this amazing industry we have. I had a lot of hope for SONAR, and was excited when it became available on STEAM (no brainer buy), and when there was talk of and even a MAC beta for Sonar! In the end I do think that there were a few bad business decisions, and perhaps a lack of agressive marketing to push Cakewalk products.
Recent changes in the company focus seemed to me to be driving towards new innovation and new markets, and could have resulted in some truly significant and exciting developments.
All that said,
I truly believe that Gibson could have handled the running of Cakewalk diffrently. In stead of growing their market and being true to the spirit of Cakewalk, they hired the wrong people for the wrong reasons, and pushed back a lot of positive movement that could have in my mind had a positive effect on the company. You can't just buy a brand like Cakewalk and expect it to turn around in a short period unless you put the right people in charge.
So end of rant, Cakewalk, and Sonar, I will miss your innovation, I am going to keep on using SONAR until DAWs get replaced by Robots...
Gibson, I have no idea what you were thinking, to grow markets and turn a profit you have to invest in people, not companies, in ideas and innovation, and not in returns and profits, you have to believe in a brand more than you hope to, and push it more than you think you have to.
Once again to the Cakewalk guys, (And especially Seth who did a brilliant job of handling the STEAM side of things), you rock! keep believing!
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/12/03 16:20:36
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I cant use Prochannel modules in another DAW. It's a really sad fact. They have another format. So sad. So long used Sonar and now I dont want change DAW. I hope another company will buy Cakewalk sometime. Z3ta2 and Rapture Pro will disappear too. I very often use these instruments. And I can use TTS1 for a fast arrangement. And after I'm recording realy instruments. Its usefull plugin for me
Same here! QuadCurve, Tape Emulation or the Tube modules would need huge investments if you want to replace them quickly with quality VST substitutions. And that great and easy TTS... I love Cakewalk since Cakewalk Professional 3 some early 90's, I'm totally based on Platinum (Lifetime) now. This is devastating.
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/12/03 16:23:18
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☄ Helpfulby hayesf 2017/12/03 17:03:19
I've been using this product since Sonar 4? 2? I forget. It's a sad day to see this product die. That's two major companies down in the span of two months (Cakewalk and Carvin). Maybe they'll move on to the "D" brands next?
But I have to say: When Gibson took over Cakewalk and offered the "lifetime updates", I knew this was coming. I purchased Platinum in August, 2016. I've enjoyed the updates, but knew that when they pulled the plug, that would be it. Nobody would buy a company in this position. Think about it: Would you buy a company, knowing full well you could never sell an upgrade to your existing client base? You could sell plug-ins or add-ons, but the core product updates had to be given away for free. Not much incentive to buy.
So I hope Gibson enjoyed the cash grab. The community will roll on until they shut down the forums. I know I will never trust anything owned by the Gibson company again.
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Veets
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/12/03 18:04:30
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igiwigi
Lifetime updates One year out of It!!
Someone knew about this all along as we all have been hoodwinked
Losing LoungeLizzard and True pianos and a host of other things is atrocious
If Cakewalk go down then our lifetime guarantees should apply to all the vst's from third parties and we should get the right to use them outside Cakewalk. It Is the least repayment that Gibson could do.
All the luvvies are SAD for what! "You all should be LIVID"
There is a lot of users on low budgets and they are the biggest losers out of all this especially the younger generation.
OK, I didn't want to say it, but glad you did igiwigi! Someone at Gibson did know! It wasn't a decision that Gibson made a few weeks ago, it was over a period of time since Sept 2013. I am livid! Not for the money but for the way Gibson handled it. I feel like I was duped when I bought the lifetime updates in July 2016! I love the software. As I said in a previous thread, this is what Voyetra did with DOP. Gibson said they will leave the servers up. Lets see now, they offered Lifetime updates and I do believe they knew all too well that in the end, Gibson was going to end Cakewalk. Do you really think they will keep putting money into maintaining servers and keep an IT Dept in staff to maintain them? At some point, the servers will go down, whether by wear and tear or Gibson will no longer want to finance them. So let's say Gibson does that, and anyone of us needs to get a new PC or Laptop. Now you have to do an install, if you are fortunate to have the CD. After you install, you have to activate the software. If the servers are no longer up and running, you can't use the software anymore. A few of the Voytera users reached out to Turtle Beach when they did this, and we asked if they would make it an open source code. Turtle Beach said no that Voyetra owns the software and making it an open source was not going to happen. I ended up throwing out the software. If no one is going to buy the company from Gibson then we are all at their mercy until the day they decide to phase out the servers. Trust me, Gibson didn't want to keep investing in Cakewalk, at some point, they will not want to keep investing in the servers. I hope I am wrong.
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italy1234
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/12/03 21:22:05
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Gibson is evil!!! 
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/12/03 23:33:40
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Veets
I read a few posts as to what would happen if Microsoft purchased Sonar and then I thought, what about Google or Apple? I mean I know Apple has Garage Band but possibly integrate them both? I don't know, I just don't want to see it go away or the developers lose their jobs.
If Apple were to purchase SONAR, they'd probably adapt it so it would become MAC only. They are only able to continue to explore musicians, video makers, and artists in general by offering mac-only softwares. This way, consumers become obliged to overpay whatever price Apple sets on their hardware. When Apple purchased Logic, it was a windows software as well, they changed it in a matter of months.
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/12/04 00:58:19
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This is a crazy runaway Fred. Who is still reading all this? It makes the coffee house look reserved.
StudioCat > I use Windows 10 and Sonar Platinum. I have a touch screen. I make some videos. This one shows how to do a physical loopback on the RME UCX to get many more equalizer nodes.
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/12/04 01:26:04
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LJB
Wow..
Been using this DAW since Cakewalk 3.4 on one 1/4" stiffy, circa 1994-ish.
I'm a little shocked right now - being a professional engineer who runs my studio totally on Sonar for projects this now forces me to look at other DAWs, learning curves, decisions about how to transition to another DAW, never mind all the Sonar specific plugs that I know like the back of my hand.... wow... much to contemplate.
Is this a classic case of the Big Corporation agenda won out over the free-thinking smaller guy, I wonder?
Either way, the Bakers have made something special over the years - I thank you guys sincerely.
Hi LJB, I've used Cakewalk DAW for many years like you have and wonder what DAW that you decided to transition to? Thanks, Steve
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/12/04 04:23:04
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☄ Helpfulby celopadua 2017/12/04 14:58:58
If Apple were to purchase SONAR, they'd probably adapt it so it would become MAC only. They are only able to continue to explore musicians, video makers, and artists in general by offering mac-only softwares. This way, consumers become obliged to overpay whatever price Apple sets on their hardware. When Apple purchased Logic, it was a windows software as well, they changed it in a matter of months.
Exactly my thoughts! Thank You.
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
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☄ Helpfulby gsacks 2017/12/04 14:31:34
A few days ago I put a set of Gibson strings on my guitar. And that's the last money, time or energy I will put into a Gibson product. Say what you will in their defense, but I'm pretty sure there was a way to keep a 30-year old iconic company like Cakewalk alive; but no, the almighty goddollar reigns supreme once again, with no regard for anyone else.
DAW: Cakewalk by Bandlab (latest version) - x64VST: Roland Sound Canvas VAHardware: Roland MC50mkII Sequencer; Yamaha DGX-660 keyboard; Steinberg UR-44 InterfaceOS: Windows 10 Home 64-bit
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/12/04 16:48:31
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amd 10-6700 apu, 3.70 ghz,24gb 16gb usable. sonar platinum 64 bit operating system latest upgrades .komplete audio 6  WINDOWS 10
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/12/04 16:48:40
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jyoung60
A few days ago I put a set of Gibson strings on my guitar. And that's the last money, time or energy I will put into a Gibson product. Say what you will in their defense, but I'm pretty sure there was a way to keep a 30-year old iconic company like Cakewalk alive; but no, the almighty goddollar reigns supreme once again, with no regard for anyone else.
Feel the same.
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