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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/12/04 17:05:18
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celopadua
If Apple were to purchase SONAR, they'd probably adapt it so it would become MAC only. They are only able to continue to explore musicians, video makers, and artists in general by offering mac-only softwares. This way, consumers become obliged to overpay whatever price Apple sets on their hardware. When Apple purchased Logic, it was a windows software as well, they changed it in a matter of months.
Back when Apple bought Emagic (Logic) it was known even before the sale was finalized that Apple would be ending the Windows version. That was their plan all along, to purchase Logic and make it Mac-only. And it doesn't make sense for Apple to purchase Sonar. They already have a professional DAW and it doesn't make sense for them to purchase a Windows-focused software company. Apple is essentially a hardware company and is all about their "i" products - that's where the great bulk of their profits are coming from. Logic, as good as it is, is not a major bread-winner for Apple, and they seem to be getting more benefit from owning the IP for Logic (which is where Garageband - ported for both macOS and their iPad hardware - came from).
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/12/04 18:10:06
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How about either selling or open sourcing Sonar? There's obviously a user community, even it Gibson doesn't recognize it.
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/12/04 19:48:13
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Also been with CW products for years. Was suspecting something wrong after they offered lifetime upgrades after having had a monthly subscription.
If not selling off why not release the code as open source, maybe someone can keep it compiled for new operating systems.
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/12/04 22:39:21
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Well- this bit of news solved a problem for me- whether to buy a new copy of a Cakewalk product as I get back into recording, or buy something else. :-(
For me as an occasional user, Sonar was very straightforward to learn vs. other brands I am evaluating now. Definitely a loss there, and this move does nothing good for the Gibson brand. As a semi-retired software company exec, if I had the cash laying around I would investigate the possibility of purchasing and taking it forward. I don't. Alas, timing is everything.
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/12/05 00:58:20
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problem solved
guys......stop dreaming......and dump sonar
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/12/05 01:44:43
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☄ Helpfulby Jarsve 2017/12/06 21:52:20
ibediggin
problem solved
guys......stop dreaming......and dump sonar
Right, I'll dump Sonar because you said so? Better yet. Let folks decide for themselves. Let them see what options they have, like just continuing to run it forever.
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/12/05 02:33:54
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all i can say is that i am blown away. i also went for the "lifetime updates" a while back and now feel like i was totally scammed. this kind of news is known for some time before it actually happens folks....I am really sorry for all of the developers that really put together a fantastic product over the years. You have done amazing work and I wish you all the best.
I am going to take PreSonus up on the cross grade...
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/12/05 02:35:41
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☄ Helpfulby Zargg 2017/12/05 19:44:16
ibediggin
problem solved
guys......stop dreaming......and dump sonar
What is the point of dumping SONAR? That would mean I have to spend real money to acquire the same features I already have available now. Certainly there is nearly zero likelihood that Cakewalk will ever be a product again and expecting anyone to save it is silly, but that is not a reasonable cause to stop using something that works. If you are so keen on dumping and running why are you still here in the forums, anyway?
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/12/05 03:50:01
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☄ Helpfulby ttoz 2017/12/19 20:08:03
I wish there were some way to get the latest update. My subscription ran out before they did all the MIDI upgrades.
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/12/05 05:34:20
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☄ Helpfulby pmarangoni 2017/12/05 05:45:20
What about Magix? They bought the Sony stuff: Vegas, Sound Forge, etc.
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/12/05 05:44:02
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/12/05 10:07:45
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/12/05 11:16:19
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Vlar
What about Magix? They bought the Sony stuff: Vegas, Sound Forge, etc.
Magix has a hundred programs doing more or less the same thing. Maybe Cyberlink was another option... It would be nice if a company like this bought the Cake stuff, but it looks like Gibson is not interested in selling anything.
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/12/05 13:32:02
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sharke
With regards to everyone who paid for lifetime updates, is there any grounds for a class action lawsuit against Gibson?
My Concern as well, I did pay into it in "goodfaith" which was not shown to be the case. hope that they will at the very least reimburse.
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/12/05 13:35:26
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sharke
With regards to everyone who paid for lifetime updates, is there any grounds for a class action lawsuit against Gibson?
My Concern as well, I did pay into it in "goodfaith" which was not shown to be the case. hope that they will at the very least reimburse.
I hear what you're saying....But it's about a zero chance of that happening. 😊 I'm a fellow SPLAT lifetime User..
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/12/05 13:52:26
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Has anybody had any luck contacting Cakewalk in regards to refunds? I bought Professional back in May and I'm somewhat salty that the year of updates turned out to be 6 months.
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/12/05 14:17:25
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I just have one question...
In its current state, is Sonar Platinum stable? I mean really stable... like: lifetime stable.
No show-stopper bugs?
Because I can live with these circumstances if it's really stable.
You see, I've been away a while and I'm just now getting back into using Sonar. I'd hate to think I'm too late and have to start shelling out money again from scratch.
From the looks (and sounds) of this situation, this could happen to any DAW product, so who could I possibly trust with my money the second time around?
And Gibson's excuse for all this smacks of what's wrong with just about everything these days: stockholders trump customers. That's just not right.
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/12/05 14:39:28
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☄ Helpfulby jyoung60 2017/12/05 15:02:49
It's stable as far as I'm concerned, I have no problems. Cakewalk have been polishing it beautifully in the last couple of years. If there's no sale or MBO and the product is dead, I'll certainly stick with it as long as I can. I've been playing around with Studio One and Cubase and they can't hold a candle to Sonar.
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/12/05 15:31:25
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Skyline_UK
It's stable as far as I'm concerned, I have no problems. Cakewalk have been polishing it beautifully in the last couple of years. If there's no sale or MBO and the product is dead, I'll certainly stick with it as long as I can. I've been playing around with Studio One and Cubase and they can't hold a candle to Sonar.
Good to know. Thank you.
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/12/05 15:33:23
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☄ Helpfulby ttoz 2017/12/19 20:09:15
Not sure if this has already been discussed but Overloud are offering to set their plugs as included in sonar free with a revised serial number. Just applied for mine
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/12/05 15:35:11
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☄ Helpfulby Skyline_UK 2017/12/05 15:52:26
I agree with skyline_UK. I've also been looking at other DAWs since the news and have come up disappointed and in some cases extremely disappointed with the alternatives. The bottom line for me is that Sonar's feature set and UI just can't be matched for the way I work. I looked at Studio One (which seems to be significantly less feature rich but has a nice UI), Cubase (which is feature rich but its workflow for me isn't nearly as nice as Sonar), and Ableton (which I haven't given it the scrutiny that I've given the other two yet because there does not seem to be a crossgrade option which would be a showstopper by itself because it is very expensive. It is probably the closest to being as powerful and user friendly as Sonar but does not seem to be as feature rich in my limited analysis.). This is all subjective because everyone's needs and preferences are different, but that's my two cents.
My plan for now is to just keep using Sonar Platinum.
With regard to Gibson, I'm certainly not happy, but I think it is safe to assume, though, that Sonar would have died years ago if not for Gibson. So at least we got all the additional development and bug fixing that occurred since they acquired Cakewalk. I feel bad for both companies. I'm sure Gibson didn't acquire Cakewalk to do nothing but shutter it. They had hoped it would be a cash producer and it appears to me that Cakewalk got the needed funds to try to bring it to the top of the DAW list. Unfortunately, features and user friendliness alone don't translate into sales. I'm not saying that those that purchased lifetime updates recently don't have a legitimate gripe. They do. But for me, even though I didn't get updates forever, I certainly got my money's worth. Sonar has improved my productivity in very significant ways. I've owned and used both Cubase and Logic (and tried Reaper which is close to worthless to me) and I will never be sorry with my choice to get Sonar - even with the company being shuttered. My sincerest thanks to the team that developed the program.
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/12/05 15:42:36
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I started using Cakewalk when it first came out...and now after all these years and 6 albums later and tons of work and songs... and it just gets closed down overnight after being sold to Gibson? Why did you buy it then? Bad bad news for anyone using this in a pro setting... and money... and time spent. I am stunned... and sad. Corporations... acquisitions...
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/12/05 16:48:01
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Not sure if this has already been discussed but Overloud are offering to set their plugs as included in sonar free with a revised serial number. Just applied for mine
I received my serial numbers yesterday. Way to go Overloud! Walt
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/12/05 17:06:36
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I've also been looking at other DAWs since the news and have come up disappointed and in some cases extremely disappointed with the alternatives. The bottom line for me is that Sonar's feature set and UI just can't be matched for the way I work. .........
My plan for now is to just keep using Sonar Platinum.
.............. I've owned and used both Cubase and Logic (and tried Reaper which is close to worthless to me) and I will never be sorry with my choice to get Sonar - even with the company being shuttered. My sincerest thanks to the team that developed the program.
That's my experience, too. And I think, there's nothing wrong to stay with Sonar for the next Years. I Use different Progs for photography as well, with yearly Updates and I often skip them, no Prob at all . . . And due to rolling Updates we now have the latest Version of Sonar as possible, fully packed with features, plugins, loops, Synths . . Meanwhile I ' ll look into new Developments like Studio One and Mixcraft, fresh and interesting, who knows what's coming up . . . but I'm sure not interested in the Dino's of the market . . . . jm2c Have Fun! Cheers :)
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/12/05 17:25:18
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Wow. Been using Cakewalk since DOS. Saw this writing on the wall, unfortunately. I had to go take a look at my pretty but useless Opcode Studio 128x just to remind myself of things that have been wrought. Hope everyone left on the team is ok and can find good opportunities to move forward.
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/12/05 17:47:02
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I was out of the country and just learned about this today.
I have nothing original to add, but just wanted to thank the Cakewalk staff and Craig for all the hard work to not only make SONAR the best DAW out there, but also for the community and accessibility. I don't think there will ever be a community and DAW like this again.
I'm not shocked (because Gibson) but I was hoping this was one thing that Henry would be able to do right.
I'm looking for alternatives as well, for me it's Cubase, Studio One, or Ableton. I played with REAPER a few years ago so maybe I'll see how it has evolved as well.
Good luck to all, Hope this forum remains active!
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/12/05 19:46:37
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celopadua
If Apple were to purchase SONAR, they'd probably adapt it so it would become MAC only. They are only able to continue to explore musicians, video makers, and artists in general by offering mac-only softwares. This way, consumers become obliged to overpay whatever price Apple sets on their hardware. When Apple purchased Logic, it was a windows software as well, they changed it in a matter of months.
When I started to use Cakewalk there was only Cubase and ProTools for studio production, ProTools was at that time Mac exclusive and did cost a fortune since a lot of additional hardware modules where required. Cubase was probably the number one choice, personally I found Cakewalk to have a more straight forward logical setup, not much different to what was in the studio, and it also supported some of Rolands hardware out of the box. So Apple would be even worse than Microsoft.
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/12/05 19:59:36
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Vlar
What about Magix? They bought the Sony stuff: Vegas, Sound Forge, etc.
Magix already owns ACID and Samplitude, can't really see them having any interest with their product lineup. If Cakewalk could be for both PC and MAC at the same time with ease, I would rather bet on a company like Toontrack. They have some of the industries best virtual instruments and emulations but no DAW.
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/12/05 20:04:30
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I wonder how many of those that say they won't buy anything Gibson actually own one of their guitars.
Personally I will keep an eye out, might need to get my hands on a few spare parts and another LP if the company should go down next year.
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/12/05 20:07:04
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Vlar
What about Magix? They bought the Sony stuff: Vegas, Sound Forge, etc.
I was a Vegas user for years and Magix upped the upgrade price and it's every year for no major upgrades. FYI..Movie Studio Platinum14 does 95% of Vegas Pro14 $79 vs $499.
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