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Re: Cakewalk Announcement 2017/12/05 19:59:36 (permalink)
Vlar
What about Magix? They bought the Sony stuff: Vegas, Sound Forge, etc.


Magix already owns ACID and Samplitude, can't really see them having any interest with their product lineup.

If Cakewalk could be for both PC and MAC at the same time with ease, I would rather bet on a company like Toontrack.
They have some of the industries best virtual instruments and emulations but no DAW.
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement 2017/12/05 20:04:30 (permalink)
I wonder how many of those that say they won't buy anything Gibson actually own one of their guitars.
Personally I will keep an eye out, might need to get my hands on a few spare parts and another LP if the company should go down next year.
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement 2017/12/05 20:07:04 (permalink)
Vlar
What about Magix? They bought the Sony stuff: Vegas, Sound Forge, etc.


I was a Vegas user for years and Magix upped the upgrade price and it's every year for no major upgrades. FYI..Movie Studio Platinum14 does 95% of Vegas Pro14 $79 vs $499.

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Re: Cakewalk Announcement 2017/12/05 20:15:42 (permalink)
I had 88 LP custom...Luckily they were only going new for $850, replaced the pups with 57's thankfully Slash got them popular and I traded it for a new Martin D40. Few years back bought their 60's Tribute Goldtop w/P90s for $850 at Musician's Friend. No fancy features but plays as well as my 88 LP Custom. That's all they're worth $850 in my opinion..so yeah the old Gibson's are great but the new ones? buy an Epiphone, you won't be sorry!

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Re: Cakewalk Announcement 2017/12/05 20:28:18 (permalink)
JoeBaermann
I wonder how many of those that say they won't buy anything Gibson actually own one of their guitars.


I used to, but it's been many years.  Most of my Gibson purchases have been guitar strings & picks, but the strings I put on last week (purchased a couple months ago) are the last Gibson anything that will get my money. 

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Re: Cakewalk Announcement 2017/12/05 21:21:42 (permalink)
JoeBaermann
I wonder how many of those that say they won't buy anything Gibson actually own one of their guitars.
Personally I will keep an eye out, might need to get my hands on a few spare parts and another LP if the company should go down next year.


I own and have owned many Gibson guitars.  (all technically vintage at this point that I still have and keep for sentimental reasons, not because they are my best instruments).  
 
If you think they make the best LP style guitars - or even Gibson style, you might do more research...without naming names, and I'm talking about alternatives that are the same price point or cheaper.  
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement 2017/12/05 22:11:32 (permalink)
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I own and have owned many Gibson guitars.  (all technically vintage at this point that I still have and keep for sentimental reasons, not because they are my best instruments).  
 
If you think they make the best LP style guitars - or even Gibson style, you might do more research...without naming names, and I'm talking about alternatives that are the same price point or cheaper.  


Depends a bit on which sound your going for, but that's more a matter of pickup preference.
I mainly use LP's these days and found the better LP's from Harley Benton to be better soundwise than some of the newer midrange Gibson LP's when all the electronics are switched out, neck feel is still better on those Gibsons, but that can be fixed on an HB too.

Point is, that them shutting down some of their side operations isn't enough to keep me buying one of their guitars or parts for such, like it doesn't make me boycut products from Roland if they got something I want.
Stating that one boycuts Gibson over this really brings nothing except maybe a fuzzy feeling.
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement 2017/12/05 22:17:25 (permalink)
Anyone know how to get serial numbers for Dimension Pro. They're are not available on my product page anymore

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Re: Cakewalk Announcement 2017/12/05 22:21:49 (permalink)
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I had 88 LP custom...Luckily they were only going new for $850, replaced the pups with 57's thankfully Slash got them popular and I traded it for a new Martin D40. Few years back bought their 60's Tribute Goldtop w/P90s for $850 at Musician's Friend. No fancy features but plays as well as my 88 LP Custom. That's all they're worth $850 in my opinion..so yeah the old Gibson's are great but the new ones? buy an Epiphone, you won't be sorry!


Epiphone is the same company these days, I have one of their LP models and an old Wilshire.
Like all brands not all Epiphone models are equally good, they did put a few close to Gibson spec models out though, but to be honest, for the price they ask for them I can get more out of cheaper brand guitars with some parts switched out.
 
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement 2017/12/05 22:23:50 (permalink)
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Anyone know how to get serial numbers for Dimension Pro. They're are not available on my product page anymore


You can try to contact support: https://www.cakewalk.com/Support
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement 2017/12/05 22:47:35 (permalink)
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Anyone know how to get serial numbers for Dimension Pro. They're are not available on my product page anymore




The serial number and registration code should be shown in Cakewalk Command Center.

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Re: Cakewalk Announcement 2017/12/06 05:28:01 (permalink)
Best of luck to all who served and gave lots to the future of great music, Thanks Noel and all others at Cakewalk!!!! Blessings!!!!
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement 2017/12/06 13:58:41 (permalink)
Is it really so that there's no plans to keep Sonar alive somehow? No one's interested in buying it? This is a huge loss :/
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement 2017/12/06 22:40:32 (permalink)
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Is it really so that there's no plans to keep Sonar alive somehow? No one's interested in buying it? This is a huge loss :/


 
now not a time to be buying up companies.. it's not the cost of buying it.. but the dev + support costs. if I was buying it, I'd not want to be paying for existing customers tbh.
 
or someone would buy it highly cut down price.. take the source code they want , for their own project.. then resell it..
 
it's hard to judge the true value of cakewalk etc.
 
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement 2017/12/06 22:58:04 (permalink)
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Has anybody had any luck contacting Cakewalk in regards to refunds? I bought Professional back in May and I'm somewhat salty that the year of updates turned out to be 6 months.


I did. This is what I wrote:


"I just read your anouncement about ceasing development of Cakewalk Sonar and I can't help but I feel ripped off. I bought the yearly subscription on 2/6/2016, which would have bought me updates until February 2017, but I bought lifetime subscriptions 6/9/2016 for the same price of an yearly subscription - just to find out now that I got only eight more months of subscription than I already paid for. How will you ensure I still can use my bought products in the future if I need to transfer them to a new PC? Is there going to be a refound for the missning 4 months of updates? "
 
And this was their response:
"My apologies for the delays and any headaches. Our activation, download and authorization services will remain up indefinitely so that you can continue download and installing SONAR on your future computers.
I'm not able to refund purchases past 90 days however I can set you up with some ProChannel modules that you can find in your account now. They don't all installed with Command Center so some of the installers you will need to grab from our site.
Thank you for all your support over the years and keep making music!"
 
I got the ProChannel PC4K S-Type Channel Compressor, the ProChannel PC4K S-Type Expander Gate and the ProChannel Concrete Limiter as an compensation.
 
Hope that helps
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement 2017/12/06 23:55:52 (permalink)
Heart-broken by this news.    Still have some Floppies with Cakewalk Professional for Windows 3.01
 
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement 2017/12/07 12:29:50 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby karhide 2017/12/07 16:18:39
decharisma
Is it really so that there's no plans to keep Sonar alive somehow? No one's interested in buying it? This is a huge loss :/



No development team left in the house. Buyer would get codebase and brand but not the valuable persons. I don't see anyone would buy such a complicated program without senior developers. :/
 
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement 2017/12/07 16:16:44 (permalink)
I think this time next year we'll see Gibson pulling its own plug.
 
https://www.ericgarland.c.../gibson-rating-moodys/
 
Any company struggling to finance half-a-billion in debt is in serious trouble. Maybe the decision to kill Cakewalk was an easy way to write down a bunch of intellectual property that still has book value. Or they just killed it because it was easy.
 
Regardless, Gibson's next year isn't going to be easy. 
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement 2017/12/07 20:58:29 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby aghschwabe 2017/12/07 23:26:09
aghschwabe
I think this time next year we'll see Gibson pulling its own plug.
 
https://www.ericgarland.c.../gibson-rating-moodys/
 
Any company struggling to finance half-a-billion in debt is in serious trouble. Maybe the decision to kill Cakewalk was an easy way to write down a bunch of intellectual property that still has book value. Or they just killed it because it was easy.
 
Regardless, Gibson's next year isn't going to be easy. 




This is the reason I don't have any - well, not much - malice against Gibson. They are simply a company in serious financial trouble and, for whatever reason, shuttering Cakewalk was better for the overall survival of the company than not shuttering it. They were not sitting in a meeting trying to figure out ways to piss off Cakewalk or Gibson customers. And as I've said before, if not for Gibson, we almost certainly would have lost Cakewalk years ago. Gibson wanted Cakewalk to succeed. Unfortunately, that didn't happen.
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement 2017/12/07 21:46:38 (permalink)
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Not sure if this has already been discussed but Overloud are offering to set their plugs as included in sonar free with a revised serial number. Just applied for mine


I received my serial numbers yesterday. Way to go Overloud!
 
Walt


How do I go about doing that? 

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Re: Cakewalk Announcement 2017/12/07 21:57:01 (permalink)
Get Cake to buy any part of Gibson that's profitable. That would be an answer!
Wait, it doesn't look like any part is profitable.....

(being facetious...bad, bad Joe) 😉

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Re: Cakewalk Announcement 2017/12/07 22:25:08 (permalink)
This is really sad news.  Sonar's been a godsend for me really, with it's monthly subscription payment option was the only way I could afford a decent DAW at the time.
 
I feel bad for the Cakewalk employees who've put their heart and soul into the products.
 
I also feel bad for those who purchased lifetime updates, who probably now feel just a little bit mugged off.
 
As for me?  Well, I guess it's time I save up to finally purchase Studio One as I was a DAW that's going to carry on being supported.  Frankly, there has to be some time when the servers get turned off, or authorisation on new machines is no longer possible.  And as someone who's been very happy with how Sonar has been working for me, and getting used to the workflow, that genuinely makes me more than a little sad.
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement 2017/12/08 00:14:24 (permalink)
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aghschwabe
I think this time next year we'll see Gibson pulling its own plug.
 
https://www.ericgarland.c.../gibson-rating-moodys/
 
Any company struggling to finance half-a-billion in debt is in serious trouble. Maybe the decision to kill Cakewalk was an easy way to write down a bunch of intellectual property that still has book value. Or they just killed it because it was easy.
 
Regardless, Gibson's next year isn't going to be easy. 




This is the reason I don't have any - well, not much - malice against Gibson. They are simply a company in serious financial trouble and, for whatever reason, shuttering Cakewalk was better for the overall survival of the company than not shuttering it. They were not sitting in a meeting trying to figure out ways to piss off Cakewalk or Gibson customers. And as I've said before, if not for Gibson, we almost certainly would have lost Cakewalk years ago. Gibson wanted Cakewalk to succeed. Unfortunately, that didn't happen.




So the $200 lifetime SCAM was just business as usual? Uh, no, sorry. They knew, they had to. 

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Re: Cakewalk Announcement 2017/12/08 00:44:32 (permalink)
200 bucks for one year of updates seems fair to me

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Re: Cakewalk Announcement 2017/12/08 01:38:09 (permalink)
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So the $200 lifetime SCAM was just business as usual? Uh, no, sorry. They knew, they had to. 

Anyone that bought the lifetime license has a legitimate gripe. I'm one of those people. However, I liken this to a starving individual stealing to live. It's wrong to steal, but I still understand why they did it.
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement 2017/12/08 02:12:34 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby aghschwabe 2017/12/08 09:06:54
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ivanSC
Not sure if this has already been discussed but Overloud are offering to set their plugs as included in sonar free with a revised serial number. Just applied for mine


I received my serial numbers yesterday. Way to go Overloud!
 
Walt


How do I go about doing that? 


Here ya go!
https://www.overloud.com/news/overloud-welcomes-cakewalk-customers
 
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement 2017/12/08 05:04:16 (permalink)
Remember this when local computer stores and other companies offer lifetime warranties.  Those warranties generally are for the lifetime of the company, not your life.
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement 2017/12/08 14:35:09 (permalink)
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So the $200 lifetime SCAM was just business as usual? Uh, no, sorry. They knew, they had to. 

Anyone that bought the lifetime license has a legitimate gripe. I'm one of those people. However, I liken this to a starving individual stealing to live. It's wrong to steal, but I still understand why they did it.


Yes we have been screwed over big time!!!
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement 2017/12/08 14:36:53 (permalink)
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Remember this when local computer stores and other companies offer lifetime warranties.  Those warranties generally are for the lifetime of the company, not your life.


So they knew  and screwed us all     1 year life "What a company"!!!
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement 2017/12/08 15:05:07 (permalink)
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200 bucks for one year of updates seems fair to me


Comments like this confuse me. Unless I missed something, you have lifetime updates, so this comment means you can determine "fair" for everyone else?

Lifetime updates took the people mostly likely to cough up money out of the revenue stream, then jacked up costs for others pricing SONAR out of the DAW arena. Gibson does this with their own products so should not surprise anyone. $200 per year is on the extreme end for DAW maintenance. The updates in the final year were a scant % of the Platinum package (if bought brand new) yet is 50% of the price? If a company intends to fleece loyal customers, they need to learn "micro-transaction" first, and I have no doubt that Gibson hasn't.

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