Hey bigweb, you have to learn how to pick your fights...you can tell if your adversary is competent within a few repartes...then you just go into comical-buffoon-fending mode if they turn out to be lacking a certain...ummm..."smartnessitivity" (there's a word they would probably salivate over if Steve Jobs or John Hodgeman said it...)
This thread could have been very productive if it had attracted a more intelligent response-base, but alas, we gave the power to axe and axe2 (I mean D. Tiny) and all they have to do is block us...you are lucky you weren't blocked...I relish the opportunity to show the monkeys the key to the cage and watch them eat it with their kibbles and throw it at the zookeeper when it comes out the other end...

Where's your response to the Mac Zealotry part?

I'm not sure what your definition of Mac Zealot is, but I can probably accept it, the only thing is I am zealous about many things beyond Mac.

relish the opportunity to show the monkeys the key to the cage and watch

oh I see you are another one of these. say no more.

I think he is a bit like me: Sticks to common sense rational debate unless someone starts giving agro or total BS and then just bites back hard.

Lolz...you just read my playbook

I can win this thread in one post if you aren't careful...and by win, all i mean is end it...try me D

win this thread? Knock yourself out. I've won and lost. Winning is better, but losing isn't alway as bad as people say it is.

ORIGINAL: UnderTow
You know, I was going to post that I had enjoyed today and yesterdays's exchange with D.Triny.
I think he is a bit like me: Sticks to common sense rational debate unless someone starts giving agro or total BS and then just bites back hard.

Mr Triny has made some good points in the debate.
His most recent posts do not fall into that category.
They display an underlying bias which he has been careful
to conceal in previous posts.

Maybe he's tired and not thinking 100%?

I sense he feels he is losing the debate and even
finally understands that there is a distinct possibility
that his beloved OSX could eventually be relegated
to the iPhone and other similar gadgets.

And frankly, Jing8, if you can not imagine a more hypothetical debate, you are not up to scratch to warrant your insolence.

UnderTow

I sense he feels he is losing the debate and even finally understands that there is a distinct possibility that his beloved OSX could eventually be relegated to the iPhone and other similar gadgets.

LOLZ please don't make me laugh any harder. besides I love gadgets!! It's just not reasonable to expect that Apple is going to stop developing OSX in the near future...and beyond this wayyyy in the future we know very little about any of the companies.

Sure I enjoy using OSX on my Macs...but I'm not married to it. I'm married to the music I make with friends and, love the fact that we've been able to reach tens of thousands of fans who are paying for it. This greatly overshadows any love affair with OSX, Mac, Windows, SONAR etc....

However I promised my peers in the past that personal computing would make all this possible. PCs, Macs whatever....it's getting the job done finally.

Joys of the internet. eh?

ORIGINAL: bigweb

Mr Triny has made some good points in the debate.
His most recent posts do not fall into that category.
They display an underlying bias which he has been careful
to conceal in previous posts.

Really? Which posts? I might have missed something.

Btw, AFAICR, I was the one that bundled D.Triny with AXE. Now you two seem to be jumping onto that train which I have long left. So now that the the almighty UnderTow (Sorry sorry, the Duvels are getting to my brain ) is not underpinning that line of discussion, you need to come up with real arguments to support your claims.

UnderTow

Cool. And with this, lets all return to civil and rational discussions. AXE, care to join us?

UnderTow

DRM sucks...
If it weren't for that, I wouldn't have to pay for the music I want to steal.

You know, what's always sort of amazed me about DRM-type debates, is that everyone acts like they're a victim.
"Those crazy record labels... how dare they demand money for something I didn't create, and want to download or use in a song without paying the original ARTIST."

That last bit's the important part: WE are the artists. If you want free music downloads for YOU'RE music, create a website and post your stuff for free all day long.
Don't expect record labels to give you something for free that they paid money for.

This duality has always made me curious. I mean, I'm a software developer, and yet FAR more than 3/4 of the guys I know that do DAW work do it with cracks!!
Are you mental? You're a software developer. Using cracks of other people's stuff makes NO sense when you are charging and making a living off yours.

DRM is here because the general public can't contain themselves... they want everything for free, regardless of the source or the expense in creating it.
I'm sorry... I just don't see DRM "in theory" as something that isn't warranted. Humans steal... it's a universal truth.

I've never had a single DRM related issue with moving my files here or there, since I have the original copies of everything.
If MS wants to DRM my ripped media, who cares... I have the original. I'll just take the original and rip it to the machine/device on which I want to hear it.
Not one issue. It's always worked.

You know, hopefully, that if you REALLY, REALLY want something, you'll get it.
DRM is just another drop in the pan attempt to make it more "difficult," which for anyone with Perl/Python skill, is easy to overcome.

<all in fun as this thread has roamed all over the place, and I figured I'd actually say something about DRM>

- zevo

Cool. And with this, lets all return to civil and rational discussions. AXE, care to join us?

this is getting too funny. C'mon Axe let's return to the center. "Apple and Microsoft sitting in a tree...k.i.s...." you know the rest

kumbayah

I think it's hard to feel a kinship with Diddy or Britney Spears.

ORIGINAL: inmazevo

DRM sucks...
If it weren't for that, I wouldn't have to pay for the music I want to steal.

You know, what's always sort of amazed me about DRM-type debates, is that everyone acts like they're a victim.
"Those crazy record labels... how dare they demand money for something I didn't create, and want to download or use in a song without paying the original ARTIST."

That last bit's the important part: WE are the artists. If you want free music downloads for YOU'RE music, create a website and post your stuff for free all day long.
Don't expect record labels to give you something for free that they paid money for.

This duality has always made me curious. I mean, I'm a software developer, and yet FAR more than 3/4 of the guys I know that do DAW work do it with cracks!!
Are you mental? You're a software developer. Using cracks of other people's stuff makes NO sense when you are charging and making a living off yours.

DRM is here because the general public can't contain themselves... they want everything for free, regardless of the source or the expense in creating it.
I'm sorry... I just don't see DRM "in theory" as something that isn't warranted. Humans steal... it's a universal truth.

I've never had a single DRM related issue with moving my files here or there, since I have the original copies of everything.
If MS wants to DRM my ripped media, who cares... I have the original. I'll just take the original and rip it to the machine/device on which I want to hear it.
Not one issue. It's always worked.

You know, hopefully, that if you REALLY, REALLY want something, you'll get it.
DRM is just another drop in the pan attempt to make it more "difficult," which for anyone with Perl/Python skill, is easy to overcome.

<all in fun as this thread has roamed all over the place, and I figured I'd actually say something about DRM>

- zevo

That's because they're in it for the money. We're just the pawns of their marketing schemes, and we fell for it.

ORIGINAL: inmazevo

ORIGINAL: D.Triny

Cool. And with this, lets all return to civil and rational discussions. AXE, care to join us?

this is getting too funny. C'mon Axe let's return to the center. "Apple and Microsoft sitting in a tree...k.i.s...." you know the rest

kumbayah

Apple and MS are actually quite close, for "competitors."
They don't avoid each other like "we" seem to do.

:-)

- zevo