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Re: Introducing the new SONAR: New lineup, new features, plus membership 2015/01/14 07:25:17 (permalink)
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 I've been with Sonar since V7, and bought every new version.  But I didn't think of it as a "subscription" or some other marketing terminology.  I just bought the new version program.
 



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At the end if i buy the full upgrade to x4 all is like before couse we usually buy the new Sonar version every year........right??
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Re: Introducing the new SONAR: New lineup, new features, plus membership 2015/01/14 07:29:57 (permalink)
Seth Kellogg [Cakewalk]The new system is far easier (IMHO) and you don't have to worry about if that was a zero or an 'O' in your activation codes.

This has been a problem with so many different software products for so long. I'm glad you guys are doing something about it.
 
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Re: Introducing the new SONAR: New lineup, new features, plus membership 2015/01/14 07:40:23 (permalink)
Do you have information about  he support of the VS-700 system?
 
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Re: Introducing the new SONAR: New lineup, new features, plus membership 2015/01/14 07:46:51 (permalink)
Three questions (although one has been asked before by someone else and I didn't see an answer):
 
  1. When is the cut-off for the introductory upgrade pricing?
  2. In the feature list here: (https://www.cakewalk.com/Products/SONAR/Versions) what do the dots mean? I get that each color is matched to a version, but obviously they mean varying levels of something or they'd just be x's or something, right?
  3. Is there a list somewhere of the differences between Sonar X3 Producer and Sonar Platinum?

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Re: Introducing the new SONAR: New lineup, new features, plus membership 2015/01/14 07:59:49 (permalink)
I think, this subscription model is pretty good and fair. I like the possibility to "try" the product for a month or two (for a small price of $40) and then decide whether I like it or not. And I can do that anytime I want.
 
But let's assume I prepay Sonar for 12 months and then I quit the membership (january-december 2015). Then a new update comes out in March 2015, I subscribe again for a month, I download that update, use it for a month and decide I do not like it, so I quit the subscription.
 
As I understand it now, once I do not renew the subscription, I lose the update.
 
The question is, what would exactly happen with my Sonar installation?? Would it reinstall itself to its previous state or deactivate completely to demo mode (demo mode of which version?) or simply the last update installation would be deactivated and I would not event notice it?
 
Imagine, I install a new update on Saturday, my subscription ends on Sunday. On Monday I launch Sonar and what happens? 
 
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Re: Introducing the new SONAR: New lineup, new features, plus membership 2015/01/14 08:13:38 (permalink)
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  1. In the feature list here: () what do the dots mean? I get that each color is matched to a version, but obviously they mean varying levels of something or they'd just be x's or something, right?



The dots are just marketing x's :).
 
 
 
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The question is, what would exactly happen with my Sonar installation?? Would it reinstall itself to its previous state or deactivate completely to demo mode (demo mode of which version?) or simply the last update installation would be deactivated and I would not event notice it?


For sure you are still entitled to the last version from your 12 month period. Haven't used Command Center yet, but AFAIK updates never happen automatically so downgrades will not either. So most likely thing to happen is that your installed version will get disabled or go in demo mode, and you would have to do the downgrade yourself.
 
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Re: Introducing the new SONAR: New lineup, new features, plus membership 2015/01/14 08:27:16 (permalink)
 
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The question is, what would exactly happen with my Sonar installation?? Would it reinstall itself to its previous state or deactivate completely to demo mode (demo mode of which version?) or simply the last update installation would be deactivated and I would not event notice it?


For sure you are still entitled to the last version from your 12 month period. Haven't used Command Center yet, but AFAIK updates never happen automatically so downgrades will not either. So most likely thing to happen is that your installed version will get disabled or go in demo mode, and you would have to do the downgrade yourself.
 




Thanks. I am afraid, "downgrade" would require a complete reinstall. Meaning, uninstalling Sonar, installing new version, restoring user settings, templates... 

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Re: Introducing the new SONAR: New lineup, new features, plus membership 2015/01/14 08:31:56 (permalink)
Seth, is the Command Center going to act as a download manager? Will it be able to tolerate poor internet connections?
 
What I'm getting at really is it going to be able to save the files and if the connection drops pickup where it left off and continue downloading.
 
The reason this is important to me is my ISP is getting pretty draconian about limiting the amount that can be downloaded in a day/month. When I reach certain thresholds they reduce the speed to a crawl and sometimes drop the connection. 
 
I'm in a rural area in the Philippines and there really are few options for internet service.
 
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Re: Introducing the new SONAR: New lineup, new features, plus membership 2015/01/14 08:35:27 (permalink)
Do we have to go to the dealers in order to pre-order?
Can we order at this price (platinum) in the cakewalk store?
When the new version comes out does this mean that the prices will go up on the same day?
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Re: Introducing the new SONAR: New lineup, new features, plus membership 2015/01/14 08:42:18 (permalink)
Are sonitus plugins still there in platinum? compressor/eq/delay, i really hope so, i like them and use them alot on many projects...

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Re: Introducing the new SONAR: New lineup, new features, plus membership 2015/01/14 08:51:10 (permalink)
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I'm in a rural area in the Philippines and there really are few options for internet service.
 



 
I hear ya. We get our internet from the Philippines, and every few months the connection is awful. Some Vietnamese conspiracy theorist blame the Chinese for cutting the under sea line. It's been dreadful for the past week. I can't watch the youtube demos of the new features, instead I have to download them from Youtube (since they killed the buffer option a few years back). The Audiosnap 4 and half min video was going to take 2 and half hours earlier, so I gave up.
 
Putting my XLN 3 Adiictive Keys and 7 Addictive drums on my new laptop a few weeks back took 2 days to download. And then the internet was running well (for Vietnam).

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Re: Introducing the new SONAR: New lineup, new features, plus membership 2015/01/14 08:56:39 (permalink)
From the FAQ:
 
"Why is SONAR Membership is better than how I used to buy Upgrades?"
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Re: Introducing the new SONAR: New lineup, new features, plus membership 2015/01/14 09:10:01 (permalink)
Any chance of giving us the UK prices? Inc VAT of course.
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Re: Introducing the new SONAR: New lineup, new features, plus membership 2015/01/14 09:13:35 (permalink)
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......I just hope the UK price reflects the actual rate ($150=about £98) and they don't just swap $ for £.  It's software, there's no shipping. 




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Looks like the new store is going to give UK buyers a better deal than previously. The "CA-2A T-Type Leveling Amplifier" is showing at $118.80 then £83.86. Maybe not the £78 you would expect but not a kick in the pants away from it.

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Re: Introducing the new SONAR: New lineup, new features, plus membership 2015/01/14 09:20:44 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Rafal S. 2015/01/28 19:22:04
I don't have a strong opinion on the subscription concept, though the devil is in the details:
  • We're being told that Producer owners can get the $20/month rate when everybody else has to pay $50/month... I can't see that lasting forever. I'm never going to commit to spending $600 a year on one piece of software so I'd probably want to continue doing what I do, which is pay the full price to upgrade every 2 or 3 years. But I don't see any information on what sort of upgrade pricing will exist once this has been underway for a while. If I upgrade to 'Sonar 2015' (ie. the next version that comes out), I'm not willing to pay the full $499 up-front for Sonar 2017 or 2018. So this is an increase in uncertainty. (Sure, we never knew for sure that future updates weren't going to have massive price hikes, but that was unlikely when the business model stayed constant. Now, it's different.) Ignore this - I'd missed the part where they specify that upgrade pricing and subscription resumption pricing are the same - so it would be $20/month or $200 for a year, either way.
  • This is producing a culture of paying for 'updates' where updates include bug fixes - but bug fixes should be part of the initial payment, because when you pay for a product, it should be working in the state that is advertised, and if something is clearly broken, I am entitled to a fix for it even if the fix takes 13 months to develop rather than the 12 months included in the subscription. Sonar has been frustrating in recent years because I end up having to pay to get upgrades to increase stability, while seeing much of the work appear to go on new features I have little use for (screensets, analog-style plugins, ProChannel) and leaving other features that I would like to use in a half-broken state (step sequencer, matrix view, take lanes sort-of-but-not-really replacing layers). Please, I know it's not sexy and you can't put it on your sales page to drive new custom, but please dedicate some more time to fixing these old problems with features we've already paid for - then we'll feel better about paying for more things in future.
Regarding the new features themselves, it looks like a reasonable selection. The majority I don't care about (new Control Bar, Audiosnap enhancements, Pattern tool, PRV enhancements (unless it fixes the note name column problem - I certainly don't want the massive chunky notes shown in the new video), Direct Stream Digital), some I don't need as they duplicate stuff I already have (REMatrix Solo, new FX chains, Addictive Drums 2, custom amps), some I will try out and might use sporadically (VocalSync), a couple could be really useful (mix recall, MIDI clip stretch), and a couple are laughable ('FX Stacking' and 'Expandable sends' are not really features but just reflect someone finally working out how to handle dynamically sized UI elements with the Skylight UI system - something that should have been in from day one). Is this enough to justify the upgrade? Not really - unless I see some evidence that there are fixes to old problems, or maybe if some of my other feature requests get a look in (split-with-crossfade, FX bins and faders on track folders, etc).
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Re: Introducing the new SONAR: New lineup, new features, plus membership 2015/01/14 09:35:29 (permalink)
One thing I'm seeing asked but not answered in this thread: if I recently purchased X3 Producer (in last 3 months, $150 non-sale pricing) will there be a different pricing scheme?

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Re: Introducing the new SONAR: New lineup, new features, plus membership 2015/01/14 09:41:21 (permalink)
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  • We're being told that Producer owners can get the $20/month rate when everybody else has to pay $50/month... I can't see that lasting forever. I'm never going to commit to spending $600 a year on one piece of software so I'd probably want to continue doing what I do, which is pay the full price to upgrade every 2 or 3 years. But I don't see any information on what sort of upgrade pricing will exist once this has been underway for a while. If I upgrade to 'Sonar 2015' (ie. the next version that comes out), I'm not willing to pay the full $499 up-front for Sonar 2017 or 2018. So this is an increase in uncertainty. (Sure, we never knew for sure that future updates weren't going to have massive price hikes, but that was unlikely when the business model stayed constant. Now, it's different.)

 
The $50/m or $600 is for new users, similar to how it cost that much in the past to enter the Sonar world with your first purchase of Sonar. After that initial year, you turn into a renewal/upgrade model and will thus pay upgrade prices, again similar to how it worked in the past.
While it's no guarantee of what will happen in the future, it has been mentioned somewhere by a Cakewalk rep (but don't recall exactly where) that you can perfectly suspend your membership for a while and then pick it up again at a later date at merely the upgrade price. Again this is no different from the past. E.g. I was still on Sonar 2.1 XL (from 2003) when I upgraded to X1 eight years later for $199. So I would be surprised if Cakewalk now would let anyone who ever had Sonar X-something pay the full price again.
 
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Re: Introducing the new SONAR: New lineup, new features, plus membership 2015/01/14 09:46:49 (permalink)
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One thing I'm seeing asked but not answered in this thread: if I recently purchased X3 Producer (in last 3 months, $150 non-sale pricing) will there be a different pricing scheme?



It's in the price list and has been confirmed but it may have been elsewhere: the discount for X3 users is that you pay $14.99/m or $149 vs the regular $19.99/m or $199 upgrade price. This is regardless of whether you purchased X3 last week (and in a sense wasted $20 since you paid $79) or a year ago.
 
What hasn't been answered yet, is how long this discount will be available. But I guess it will at least be a few months and many 'last chance' mails from Cakewalk before that happens :).
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Re: Introducing the new SONAR: New lineup, new features, plus membership 2015/01/14 09:50:57 (permalink)
Sorry for this question. Would my Vista Pentium T3200 with 3 GBs machine work with the new and improved Sonar?
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Re: Introducing the new SONAR: New lineup, new features, plus membership 2015/01/14 09:53:27 (permalink)
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The $50/m or $600 is for new users, similar to how it cost that much in the past to enter the Sonar world with your first purchase of Sonar. After that initial year, you turn into a renewal/upgrade model and will thus pay upgrade prices, again similar to how it worked in the past.

 
Ah, I think I see what you mean... it's only $50 for the first year, but everybody pays the $20 rate for the 2nd year onwards, so for new users it's as if they've bought it outright and are then paying upgrade rates, whereas I'd be paying upgrade rates from the start. Fair enough.
 
While it's no guarantee of what will happen in the future, it has been mentioned somewhere by a Cakewalk rep (but don't recall exactly where) that you can perfectly suspend your membership for a while and then pick it up again at a later date at merely the upgrade price. Again this is no different from the past. E.g. I was still on Sonar 2.1 XL (from 2003) when I upgraded to X1 eight years later for $199. So I would be surprised if Cakewalk now would let anyone who ever had Sonar X-something pay the full price again.


No, but it is easier to manage upgrade paths when there are a small number of different versions of the product - with there being almost infinite different versions in future, this wouldn't be so straightforward. But, with your clarification above, if they keep the "I own an older version of this" and "membership renewal" rates the same (as they currently are), that confusion is eliminated, so it's ok. I'd be paying $20 a month/$199 total for the latest version and a year's updates either way.

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Re: Introducing the new SONAR: New lineup, new features, plus membership 2015/01/14 10:28:03 (permalink)
I think this is a great idea and probably ground breaking to the industry....basically a subscribe to own, payment program. 
 
Maybe it will influence Adobe to do the same.  It's the main reason that I have not jumped on the Photoshop/ Lightroom subscription, bandwagon.

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Re: Introducing the new SONAR: New lineup, new features, plus membership 2015/01/14 10:30:33 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby Kylotan 2015/01/14 11:18:43
Is there a list of the bug fixes for this new release? If not, more importantly, will the bug list be available before
the intro price is up? The new features are not a selling point for me. Bug fixes would be however.

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Re: Introducing the new SONAR: New lineup, new features, plus membership 2015/01/14 10:31:18 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby evzevz 2015/01/14 19:08:11
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I'd be paying $20 a month/$199 total for the latest version and a year's updates either way.


That's not quite right,  this first year we're paying $149 for a new version right now plus 12 months of future updates.
 
This time next year, and each year forward, we already have the latest version. We're paying $199 in advance for a years updates, which may or may not be worth while depending on what is in the updates.

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Re: Introducing the new SONAR: New lineup, new features, plus membership 2015/01/14 10:32:42 (permalink)
I'm in haven't upgraded in a while but having a membership make me feel the worth and value. 
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Re: Introducing the new SONAR: New lineup, new features, plus membership 2015/01/14 10:32:54 (permalink)
REmatrix looks nice, but it looks to be mono. Will true stereo IRs work with it?

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Re: Introducing the new SONAR: New lineup, new features, plus membership 2015/01/14 10:41:10 (permalink)

I like the naming scheme to so Ill be a platinum user, Things I like dynamic fx's bin and insert bin, and mix recall( Im always saving different versions on song when I make changes but usually never go back or I get lost cause they are different sessions, but being able to do it in same session means I will probably get good use out of it.
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Re: Introducing the new SONAR: New lineup, new features, plus membership 2015/01/14 10:42:49 (permalink)
Mix recall for me would certainly be useful, but far more useful if I could port those saved mixes to other songs (or sync them). For example, if I could sync a drum mix from one song to ten others, and then, if later I needed to tweak the Kick on one song, I could simply click a single button to sync that change to ten other songs. Now THAT would be quite useful to me. Noel should have a screencast I sent to him for this feature request. I can't express enough how much time that (PSG's) would save me!
 
For the time-being, however, If I could just export/import those Mix Recalls to other Projects, that would be handy enough. Would save me a few hours each time I start a new mix session with a whole new band/artist. I could mix down one song to taste, and then, rather than use that as a post-taste template (a sweaty process for me), I could simply grab all the Mix-Recall mixes from that session and choose which one to start with in the next song/Project.

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Re: Introducing the new SONAR: New lineup, new features, plus membership 2015/01/14 10:59:01 (permalink)
Oops, I started with Sonar last year and it looks like I chose the wrong DAW. Because for me, any kind of subscription based model is 100% No No.
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Re: Introducing the new SONAR: New lineup, new features, plus membership 2015/01/14 11:04:21 (permalink)
I don't know if it's been answered yet, and I can't find any answer in this topic (trying my best to go through 10 pages):
 
If I were to decide to pay the $14.99 per month to go from Producer to Platinum, can I later decide within the 12 months to just pay the rest up front?
 
Also, will PayPal be an accepted form of payment?
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Re: Introducing the new SONAR: New lineup, new features, plus membership 2015/01/14 11:10:11 (permalink)
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Oops, I started with Sonar last year and it looks like I chose the wrong DAW. Because for me, any kind of subscription based model is 100% No No.


To me, the subscription model works, but only if it's a no-brainer. I'm not keen on the 1-yr pricing. I would have gone $9.99, $19.99, $24.99 with a 2-yr payoff vs. 1-yr. If you've been paying for it more than 8-12 months, you're more likely to pay it off or perhaps make a discounted final payment of $200 (for Platinum) to avert the 2nd year, but the idea is appealing. I can pay a little bit and try out the new one for 3-6 months, but as a newcomer, the rates are a bit pricey. I think the increased sticker price isn't as appealing, either, but users may enjoy having the ProChannel on the mid-tier version.


If you started at the bottom, but decided Platinum would better suit you, then upgrade on the fly at a discount, depending on how invested you are. In other words, CW could calculate a deal for you in you upgraded, downgraded, etc. and you could see a "generated" calculated payoff in payments or outright cost.
 
But the idea is not only to invoke existing users to upgrade, but to woo others over from Studio One, DP, PT, etc. I just think the current subscription offerings need adjustment.

Brian
 
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