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Re: Introducing the new SONAR: New lineup, new features, plus membership
2015/01/14 21:04:35
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Bflat5
So, no more simply downloading the uprade? Sorry to be a naysayer, but I don't see an upside to renting software on the customer end.
Maybe I'm seeing it wrong, but when you purchase software you can continue using it until the OS will no longer support it. Pay a premium price to rent it and once your subscription is up you are forced to renew and can longer use it until you do?
Is that correct?
As scook says, no - but think of it this way: It's a customer-centric ownership model, not a company-centric rental model.
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Re: Introducing the new SONAR: New lineup, new features, plus membership
2015/01/14 21:06:12
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☄ Helpfulby Del 2015/01/15 14:12:48
I want to thank Cakewalk for embracing the subscription model. Sales driven models have proven themselves to be incapable of providing long-term support. (See ERP software models with multi-million dollar sales figures that have gone out of business). I have been a Cakewalk user since the days of "Home Studio" and "XL" (if my memory serves...questionable at best) back during the days when it looked like the soundcard on our 386sx PC's were octopi giving birth (the original digital patchbay). I have dutifully given my upgrade dollars through years since this was "working" for me.
In the past couple of years, I've done projects with hardcore ProToolers. I did have a Mac based ProTooly thingy sitting in my studio. I wanted to learn the ins-and-outs of the ProToolish world, but this shovel-ready project never gained any ground. I looked at getting ProTool'ed certified, but the price of "basic" ProTooling was 10 years of Sonar upgrades plus an additional "buying of a Prius" for all Avid developers. I quickly realized that playing my guitar was a better investment and I could afford about 22 years of lessons for the "used" sales price of my Pro-Tools rig. Needless to say it is gone.
Massive kudos to Cakewalk for committing to a subscription based model. I'm planning on paying the monthly fees, simply because it is more than the up-front fee. If Cakewalk would start a Patreon account, I would probably give some extra sheckles to that as well. I've used about every DAW out there and I always keep launching Sonar because it is more intuitive to me. Yes, that is my opinion and it is also my opinion that they deserve more of our hard earned cash. If software is free, there is a reason.
I don't know why, but I have read every page of this thread and I am truly amazed that some of these posters can't see that arguing about the tool they use is pointless. This is about their talent and their ability to add value to a project. Sonar has only let me down in one case...importing Stems from other projects. I hope that gets fixed, but I use Reaper when I can't get Sonar to behave. I wish that wasn't the case, but my Subscription will show that I have trust in this company and will continue to support them until such a time as they violate that trust. $20 a month is nothing compared to the benefit I gain from their design effort.
For those who have "automatically" hated this change simply because it is "change", take a step back and look at what you have accomplished being a Sonar user. If you can truly say that this has been a benefit then get on the horse and let them develop in a "revenue-centric" manner. We need their developers and the good developers need to stay at Cakewalk for the long-term. Don't nickel-and-dime them into "off-shoring" their development and support efforts. In a way, we are all in this together. I, for one, am happy to support this change and will hold their feet to the fire if they "fark-it-up", but let's give them the chance to decide their own fate.
Everyone in this community should be freaking ecstatic that they didn't go to the software rental model. (*Those that think that need to re-read this entire thread*) Moderators, support personnel and developers...y'all go make good things happen because some of us appreciate your efforts and are standing with you. I'm out...
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Re: Introducing the new SONAR: You need to FIX X3 before moving on to anything else!!!!
2015/01/14 21:07:07
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Anderton
CoteRotie
I called Cakewalk sales today... the guy picked up right way.... that's the 1st sign that this subscription DAW won't work... and the fact that he sounded "in my opinion" that I had woken him or he lives in Colorado.... ;)
So you're complaining because Cakewalk answers the phone promptly. I will contact Cakewalk tomorrow and suggest that they wait at least 10 rings before answering the phone, or send people to voice mail.
You left out the heavy foreign accents most Americans can't understand.
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Re: Introducing the new SONAR: New lineup, new features, plus membership
2015/01/14 21:07:09
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Just trying to get a definite answer to the Addictive Drums question that has been asked. Will I be able to use my ADpaks, MIDIpaks and Kit Pieces that I already own and use in AD 1, with AD 2?
I've asked Andrew several times, but he is the Cakewalk expert and not the AD guy, so I never got a definitive answer. Since it is the same product as the "Producer Bundle", then the answer is NO. I just wasted $180 because of XLNaudio deceptive/misleading WEB site. I can use the original ADpacs with AD1, but you can only use AD2pacs with AD2 unless you add another $79 to the $180 to "UPGRADE" AD1 to AD2. (Total = $259). If they had been clearer (read not deceptive), then I would have not spent the money. Other people who have been deceived have asked XLN to clarify their WEB site, but no go. I do have a couple workarounds. Use both AD1 and AD2 in a project (now that I have it, I don't see much improvement in AD2), or once I get "SONAR" and get the included additional 3 AD2pacs, I will select the same AD1pacs that I have. None of the remaining AD2pacs sound interesting. Walt
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Re: Introducing the new SONAR: New lineup, new features, plus membership
2015/01/14 21:07:21
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Sorry guys. When I asked my question I had not found the FAQ's yet.
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Re: Introducing the new SONAR: You need to FIX X3 before moving on to anything else!!!!
2015/01/14 21:08:43
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cclarry
Placed my order....$25 discount! Oh yeah baby!
Let the anticipation begin!
Wait, how did you get that?
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Re: Introducing the new SONAR: New lineup, new features, plus membership
2015/01/14 21:09:18
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Ryan Munnis [Cakewalk]
Dave__lol
clintmartin
Bflat5
So, no more simply downloading the uprade? Sorry to be a naysayer, but I don't see an upside to renting software on the customer end.
Maybe I'm seeing it wrong, but when you purchase software you can continue using it until the OS will no longer support it. Pay a premium price to rent it and once your subscription is up you are forced to renew and can longer use it until you do?
Is that correct?
No that's not correct at all. Upgrade for $149 and it's yours forever. If you want more upgrades after a year...then you pay again.
NOPE! lol you need to look at it again... 149 for 12 months! its a subscription DAW service... You keep paying them or you have NO DAW! good luck in mid project and you have to convert ALL your projects to ProTools and have no way to do it!
Again you're wrong. I'll remind you that spreading false Information, intentionally, is trolling.
lol "trolling".... "things that forum junkies use to justify their never ending need to be accepted on a forum" and have someone that they can justify bulling.
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Re: Introducing the new SONAR: You need to FIX X3 before moving on to anything else!!!!
2015/01/14 21:09:31
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Being a tech support guy who has to keep up with the latest technology news, OS news, etc. guess what guys....Microsoft is maybe thinking about going to a subscription way with their OS after version 10. Look at their Office365 and how popular it has been.
Yes, this is a major thing that runs your computer and you don't pay up, you lose the ability to get new updates, fixes, security for windows and possible not able to run all the features in windows if you stop paying.
At least with Cakewalk, they are giving you the software either as paid upfront or after 12 months of a subscription.
This is the trend I think we are going to be seeing more and more in the software industry.
I know it's hard to fathom, but change is coming and what I have seen with Cakewalk, that change is good:)
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Dave__lol
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Re: Introducing the new SONAR: You need to FIX X3 before moving on to anything else!!!!
2015/01/14 21:12:06
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Includes everything in SONAR Artist
Analog-style ProChannel Strip with 3 FX
Melodyne Essential with ARA integration
Addictive Drums 2 Solo Bundle
50 Professional mixing and mastering FX
18 instruments including Z3TA+ Classic
Upgrade pricing for SONAR customers
Includes 12 months SONAR Membership
STARTING AS LOW AS
$19.99
PER MONTH
$199
AND funny how the buy now is missing!
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scook
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Re: Introducing the new SONAR: New lineup, new features, plus membership
2015/01/14 21:12:36
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ChazEd
JohnoL
A few people have asked this general question and I have the same question.
I think the faq needs more clarification.
If I let my Membership expire after 12 months, can I renew it again later? Yes, you can come back any time and pay the Renewal rate.
Will the renewal rate be the same after 3 months, after 6months, 1 or 2 years?
I am talking more about paying the full 12 months in advance. Do you pay extra to "catch up?"
For the last 3 years I have gotten the new version but I usually wait 3 to 6 months when they repeat the
introductory offer and/or offer a free video with it.
ChazEd
Example:
I pay $149 to upgrade my X3 Producer to Platinum now (January/February, 2015), the I get all Platinum current and future features for 12 months. Ok.
Then, in January/February, 2016, for reasons unknown (no cash, too much beer  , etc), I can't renewal my Platinum Membership.
Then say 6 months (or 1 year, or 2 year, I don't know what will happen in the future) later I want to renewal my Platinum membership.
Will I have to pay full price again or just the current (2016/2017...) upgrade price?
Will I loose my Platinum membership and go to square one (like a new sonar user status) if I let it expire?
Sorry to quote myself again, but the faq is not clear about above situations.
Can someone help?
It is difficult to speculate about future pricing. But for now, there appears to be no penalty if you let your membership lapse.
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Re: Introducing the new SONAR: New lineup, new features, plus membership
2015/01/14 21:13:22
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Dave__lol
Ryan Munnis [Cakewalk]
Dave__lol
clintmartin
Bflat5
So, no more simply downloading the uprade? Sorry to be a naysayer, but I don't see an upside to renting software on the customer end.
Maybe I'm seeing it wrong, but when you purchase software you can continue using it until the OS will no longer support it. Pay a premium price to rent it and once your subscription is up you are forced to renew and can longer use it until you do?
Is that correct?
No that's not correct at all. Upgrade for $149 and it's yours forever. If you want more upgrades after a year...then you pay again.
NOPE! lol you need to look at it again... 149 for 12 months! its a subscription DAW service... You keep paying them or you have NO DAW! good luck in mid project and you have to convert ALL your projects to ProTools and have no way to do it!
Again you're wrong. I'll remind you that spreading false Information, intentionally, is trolling.
lol "trolling".... "things that forum junkies use to justify there never ending need to be accepted on a forum" and have someone that they can justify bulling.
Look - you're not contributing to the conversation. Please leave the thread unless you want to ask a real question or help others with this topic. We all have worked too hard to waste time on this (our community and Cakewalk staff alike)
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Splat
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Re: Introducing the new SONAR: New lineup, new features, plus membership
2015/01/14 21:15:21
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Dave give it up you have been given clear answers now please move on..
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SubSonic
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Re: Introducing the new SONAR: You need to FIX X3 before moving on to anything else!!!!
2015/01/14 21:18:36
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Count me as an opponent to the subscription software model. I've been forced into it with several other titles I use and feel that those too became more money per year than they were worth. I likely will take advantage of the $149 "upgrade" price to this new service from X3 Producer, but I won't pay $199 a year for it thereafter. Sorry. I'll spend my year deciding which competitor to migrate to, and when they all move to this system, I'll move back to tape I guess.
I am glad that there appear to be a lot of you guys here that think the subscription model is actually a good thing, I personally do not. I hope you enjoy it but doubt that you will after the 2nd year when your bang-for-buck analysis can be fairly performed and you realize you came out on the losing end.
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TabSel
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Re: Introducing the new SONAR: New lineup, new features, plus membership
2015/01/14 21:19:25
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TabSel
Ryan Munnis [Cakewalk]
TabSel
Not knowing the new EULA is indeed the reason why I am asking this question ;)
So, Ryan, as you are already on it, any details, please, on how bug fixing/repairs/warranty periods/refunds are handled within this new licensing model?
I'm probably the wrong person to ask legal questions to, and actually on my phone and don't have access to the new EULA. You might be picking on the wrong guy ;)
However, I will say your examples seem like the exact reason we spent the last few years building the foundation for this new model. I think you'll find that not only will bug fixes and excellent new features be delivered in a better and more consistent way, but also that legal binding documents aside, Cakewalk has a long standing history of taking care of its customers. The types of scenarios you are explaining are ones where we often resort to thinking how people think versus how contracts read. There is always gray area and we have made exceptions to the rule many times in the past when things were reasonable. Maybe its our downfall, but I think you'll find Cakewalk is employed by humans and not robots. From what I understand, Gibson also has an extremely firm philosophy of taking care of its customers as well. Anyhow, it's up to us to convince people whether or not to sticking to the plan is worth it.
I'll let the EULA speak for itself when its available, but I felt the need to remind everyone that Cakewalk is an extremely reasonable company to work for and with.
No doubt about that, thanks for your post.
But please understand that I'm pretty unsure on HOW this might practically be handled?
Assume just the day before my subscription ends there will be a new feature rolled out I already waited for. Two days later, already opted out, a hot fix is rolled out, that fixes a major bug in this new feature, that slipped through the test.
Now what? How's that handled? Am I entitled to the fix, or not? Do I have to create a support ticket and kindly ask for that fix, but being unable to do, as I'm no member anymore? How long does this process take me? The fix is already available, but not installed on my system, rendering the new feature I paid for with my subscription useless.
Please bear with me and explain this to me!
Is there a "bug fix process" included with your license model, or not?
Can you understand why I see lots of frustration coming?
Please do not forget to try to answer please. Thanks.
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Re: Introducing the new SONAR: New lineup, new features, plus membership
2015/01/14 21:20:43
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Dave__lol
NOPE! lol you need to look at it again... 149 for 12 months! its a subscription DAW service... You keep paying them or you have NO DAW! good luck in mid project and you have to convert ALL your projects to ProTools and have no way to do it!
You clearly have no clue about the membership program, and apparently have no more desire to find out how it actually works then you do to get SONAR working up to the same level that others enjoy. The above statement is so incredibly wrong - perhaps even knowingly and maliciously so - that it boggles the mind. There is one thing about it, though, that I can confirm is true: A program does exist that's called Pro Tools .
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ChazEd
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Re: Introducing the new SONAR: New lineup, new features, plus membership
2015/01/14 21:26:43
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scook
It is difficult to speculate about future pricing. But for now, there appears to be no penalty if you let your membership lapse.
Thanks for your answer, scook! I understand that once I pay $149, I can keep the up-to-date version when the platinum membership expires and I don't renewal it. But I think Cakewalk need to be more clear about this in the faq (there's no mention at all about this). I'll wait until things get more clear. And just to be clear, I love Sonar X3 Producer  !
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Re: Introducing the new SONAR: New lineup, new features, plus membership
2015/01/14 21:29:08
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Brother , I go to work and come home and you guy's are still at it here!
Someone please lock this thread! It's going to break Bapu's record soon.
I just skimmed through from where I left off this morning and all I see is a bunch or people who seem to be to lazy to read the promo and facts provided by Cakewalk on the links provided and at always conveniently located at the top left corner of this forum. I give the staff and loyal always super helpful forum members credit for being so patient with these people who for some reason just don't get it.
PLEASE GO READ THE PRODUCT INFO BEFORE ASKING THESE SAME DUMB QUESTIONS OVER AND OVER.
Nothing has really changed.You pay money, you own the software,,, end of story...
I think only a fool would pay the monthy fee anyhow, why pay more? I could buy my car insurance the same way from ICBC. You pay more because you don't have the cash up front,
Everybody knows musicains are always broke, the pricing in music stores is always by the month! Calkwalk can increase the revenue by taking advantage of this and collecting the interest on the money instead of VISA.
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Re: Introducing the new SONAR: New lineup, new features, plus membership
2015/01/14 21:31:08
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WallyG - I'm apologize if I'm missing something, but I had to pay the upgrade fee when AD2 came out to get my Sonar AD1 kits upgraded as did everyone else at the time if they wanted the upgrade. We didn't get it for free. If I'm missing something in translation then nevermind....
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Re: Introducing the new SONAR: You need to FIX X3 before moving on to anything else!!!!
2015/01/14 21:31:29
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SubSonic
I likely will take advantage of the $149 "upgrade" price to this new service from X3 Producer, but I won't pay $199 a year for it thereafter. Sorry.
A lot of people have been a bit riled by the $199 after a year but (with my optimists hat on) I suspect there'll actually be a special offer next Jan/Feb (eg save $50 on the regular price etc) and several 3rd party plugins to sweeten the deal. I'm not going to worry about that until next year
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matt fresha
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Re: Introducing the new SONAR: New lineup, new features, plus membership
2015/01/14 21:34:11
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Dave_ _lol is obviously a troll that never used Sonar legally and is upset because he'll have no way to pirate the next version.
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Anderton
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Re: Introducing the new SONAR: You need to FIX X3 before moving on to anything else!!!!
2015/01/14 21:34:28
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SubSonic
I likely will take advantage of the $149 "upgrade" price to this new service from X3 Producer, but I won't pay $199 a year for it thereafter. I don't understand why someone is so certain of what will be introduced 12 months from now that they've already decided they don't want it. Just because you've been burned by other models doesn't mean it can't be done right. Those with decent memories will note that when I first came into this forum, I was dead set against subscription software programs. I wrote an editorial for Harmony Central, an article for Pro Sound News, and posts in other forums that made my opinions perfectly clear. And those opinions have not changed. But then I understood that software requires a new means of distribution. Boxes in stores weren't going to cut it any more. Just go to a GC and see how many boxes of software are left. More companies were going to digital downloads. Apple took Logic away from retail, made it download only, and offered no upgrade path. The rental model is great for companies. They get consistent cash flow, and because the software expires, they are accountable to no one. You want to open the files you created last year? Sorry. Pay up. Now. What makes Cakewalk's approach so different is it incorporates the new realities software companies face, but is 100% accountable to the customer. Some people here recognize what a huge commitment that is on the part of Cakewalk in terms of rewarding and respecting their user base. Others don't quite see that...yet. But the onus isn't on YOU to renew. It's on Cakewalk to create something that makes you WANT to renew, because you don't have to. You can keep using your software, as long as you paid for it, for as long as you want. That's a HUGE difference. Meanwhile, all the people who said last September that Cakewalk would be out of business in a year after being acquired...well, let's hope all their bets were gentleman's bets. And if you're going to bet against Cakewalk again, I'd recommend the same approach.
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Re: Introducing the new SONAR: New lineup, new features, plus membership
2015/01/14 21:38:30
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So of course I am excited. And it appears that this is not really any different (for me) to how I have been updating. Cakewalk has been one of the only companies that come to mind that have given notice of updates coming (especially for X3) that I can recall. They have also (even in not so great times) Delivered the message that we are important. I have seen this behavior for well over a decade. I have no need to question this now.. ahh well... My question is always being an early adopter, Is there a difference in going through the dealer as opposed to the new command center (store)? Will it arrive faster with the dealer? I would love to continue in my tradition of "early".. Let me know .. In the mean time.. (I'll keep looking for that email.. sigh...)
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matt fresha
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Re: Introducing the new SONAR: New lineup, new features, plus membership
2015/01/14 21:39:00
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Hopefully someone sees this question this time 'round:
If I were to decide to pay the $14.99 per month to go from X3 Producer to Platinum, can I later decide within the 12 months to just pay the rest up front?
Also, I assume PayPal will be an accepted form of payment?
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Re: Introducing the new SONAR: New lineup, new features, plus membership
2015/01/14 21:46:47
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Dave__lol
clintmartin
Bflat5
So, no more simply downloading the uprade? Sorry to be a naysayer, but I don't see an upside to renting software on the customer end.
Maybe I'm seeing it wrong, but when you purchase software you can continue using it until the OS will no longer support it. Pay a premium price to rent it and once your subscription is up you are forced to renew and can longer use it until you do?
Is that correct?
No that's not correct at all. Upgrade for $149 and it's yours forever. If you want more upgrades after a year...then you pay again.
NOPE! lol you need to look at it again... 149 for 12 months! its a subscription DAW service... You keep paying them or you have NO DAW! good luck in mid project and you have to convert ALL your projects to ProTools and have no way to do it!
You do not understand what is being offered here. You pay $149, you get 12 months of upgraded content. If, after 12 months, you don't give them another dime, all the content you received over the last 12 months is your to keep. You can also spread those payments out and pay $15 per month for 12 months and get the same thing.
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Re: Introducing the new SONAR: New lineup, new features, plus membership
2015/01/14 21:48:18
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☄ Helpfulby TomDuffy 2015/01/15 15:52:10
Vern C
Hopefully someone sees this question this time 'round:
If I were to decide to pay the $14.99 per month to go from X3 Producer to Platinum, can I later decide within the 12 months to just pay the rest up front?
Also, I assume PayPal will be an accepted form of payment?
I think they have stated that you can't pay a few months and then pay the difference in one lump sum. However, you could pay for a couple months and the pay $199 (assuming the $149 discount is gone) and get 12 months from that point on.
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Re: Introducing the new SONAR: New lineup, new features, plus membership
2015/01/14 21:49:33
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Sonar forums are so entertaining around a release. Look, this model actually allows you to choose how much you're willing to pay. Let's say your 12 months have run out. You keep what you've paid for, then just wait until CW puts out something that's worth another $200. You can pay that $200 a year later, two years later, etc. You can wait until CW puts out enough new features to be worth your next $200. This is different from before when the number of versions you were behind determined how much you paid to catch up. The model, on its own, IMHO, is beyond reproach.
Some unease from CW's record of atrocious unreliability is understandable. With conventional releases, there was a period of debugging and troubleshooting without feature development to introduce more regressions. Tragically, much of this period seemed to happen after the .0 release and regressions still got introduced. Now, with constant introduction of new features, a regression-free release may be an even more elusive target than before.
Frequency of updates also guarantees nothing. I've lost count of how many free updates StudioOne v2 has received, and it's still a heinously slow, unstable, and buggy pile of monkey droppings, rivaling X3a at its worst. On the other hand, Cubase 8 Pro has received only one update so far, and works mindblowingly smoothly and speedily.
So whining or rejoicing about a product before there is a product doesn't make any sense. On the other hand, it is amusing to read. Unless you work for CW, I guess...
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Re: Introducing the new SONAR: You need to FIX X3 before moving on to anything else!!!!
2015/01/14 21:49:39
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Anderton
You can keep using your software, as long as you paid for it, for as long as you want.
I'm very grateful for Cakewalk maintaining this model, but it's really sad that today a company has to go out of its way to underline the fact that the software they sell will be useable in the future without further payment.
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Re: Introducing the new SONAR: You need to FIX X3 before moving on to anything else!!!!
2015/01/14 21:52:10
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☄ Helpfulby jbow 2015/01/15 10:29:18
I was going to formally request someone delete the idiot, but I think someone has.
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Re: Introducing the new SONAR: New lineup, new features, plus membership
2015/01/14 21:53:42
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yevster
You can pay that $200 a year later, two years later, etc. You can wait until CW puts out enough new features to be worth your next $200. This is different from before when the number of versions you were behind determined how much you paid to catch up.
Can you please point me to this info in the faq?
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Re: Introducing the new SONAR: You need to FIX X3 before moving on to anything else!!!!
2015/01/14 21:54:21
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clintmartin
I was going to formally request someone delete the idiot, but I think someone has.
Just block him, as I did .
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