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Re: Introducing the new SONAR: New lineup, new features, plus membership
2015/01/15 16:44:57
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☄ Helpfulby ampfixer 2015/01/15 17:04:55
One thing I'm wondering about the more I think about it is how Cake are going to manage Feature releases vs. bug fix releases...or if they're going to be mushed together. And, I reckon, is that going to mean there's a complicated user pool of folks who opted in/out at various times and have wildly different versions of the software. I'm guessing this has been thought out, but I wonder how it'll play out.
Also, the whole "you own it" at the end of your membership period, what if you need to do a reinstall? How do they keep all the different versioning intact? At least in the prior model you had your core point version and then any updates relevant to it. Now you'll have a whole range of possible updates available.
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Re: Introducing the new SONAR: New lineup, new features, plus membership
2015/01/15 16:46:19
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☄ Helpfulby joel77 2015/01/16 09:20:47
I mean some people are acting like we're dealing with some brand new sketchy upstart company looking to take the money and run. For sure if that were the case I would most certainly not drop any coin but I also wouldn't bother angrily posting about it like I had already been ripped off.
Think about... Cakewalk has been around for what? 20? 30 years? They are now owned by Gibson who have been around for what? 60? 70? 80 years?! I really don't think they are gonna pull the software equivalent of a smash and grab at this point.
Cripes.
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Re: Introducing the new SONAR: New lineup, new features, plus membership
2015/01/15 16:49:27
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...wicked
One thing I'm wondering about the more I think about it is how Cake are going to manage Feature releases vs. bug fix releases...or if they're going to be mushed together. And, I reckon, is that going to mean there's a complicated user pool of folks who opted in/out at various times and have wildly different versions of the software. I'm guessing this has been thought out, but I wonder how it'll play out.
Also, the whole "you own it" at the end of your membership period, what if you need to do a reinstall? How do they keep all the different versioning intact? At least in the prior model you had your core point version and then any updates relevant to it. Now you'll have a whole range of possible updates available.
Can't comment as to the first thing but apparently you will have access to all the released versions that came out during your active membership through the Command Center. That way you can roll back and install whichever version you want kind of like how your store account has all your purchases available for download.
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Seth Kellogg [Cakewalk]
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Re: Introducing the new SONAR: New lineup, new features, plus membership
2015/01/15 16:49:36
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Beepster
I mean some people are acting like we're dealing with some brand new sketchy upstart company looking to take the money and run. For sure if that were the case I would most certainly not drop any coin but I also wouldn't bother angrily posting about it like I had already been ripped off.
Think about... Cakewalk has been around for what? 20? 30 years? They are now owned by Gibson who have been around for what? 60? 70? 80 years?! I really don't think they are gonna pull the software equivalent of a smash and grab at this point.
Cripes.
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TabSel
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Re: Introducing the new SONAR: New lineup, new features, plus membership
2015/01/15 16:49:42
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And this new subscription model is out for what, 0 years? I think it's pretty understandable when there's some kind of questioning on that model, isn't it?
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Re: Introducing the new SONAR: New lineup, new features, plus membership
2015/01/15 16:50:51
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... (I'm a weirdo... always been a weirdo and always WILL be a weirdo),
Yeah...... We've been meaning to talk to you about that, Beep!
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Re: Introducing the new SONAR: New lineup, new features, plus membership
2015/01/15 16:51:28
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So:
Let's say I have previously purchased the PRO versions, and some Pro-channel items and I now choose to purchase the PRO version and not the PLATINUM version.
What happens when one of the Pro-Channel items now included only with the Platinum version is updated?
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Seth Kellogg [Cakewalk]
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Re: Introducing the new SONAR: New lineup, new features, plus membership
2015/01/15 16:53:20
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TabSel
And this new subscription model is out for what, 0 years? I think it's pretty understandable when there's some kind of questioning on that model, isn't it?
That's why we have this thread.
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Re: Introducing the new SONAR: New lineup, new features, plus membership
2015/01/15 16:53:54
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Seth Kellogg [Cakewalk]
Beepster
I mean some people are acting like we're dealing with some brand new sketchy upstart company looking to take the money and run. For sure if that were the case I would most certainly not drop any coin but I also wouldn't bother angrily posting about it like I had already been ripped off.
Think about... Cakewalk has been around for what? 20? 30 years? They are now owned by Gibson who have been around for what? 60? 70? 80 years?! I really don't think they are gonna pull the software equivalent of a smash and grab at this point.
Cripes.
Cakewalk 28y/o
Gibson 113y/o
Ah yes... I forgot about the "olds mans guitarz". /Squizgar
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Seth Kellogg [Cakewalk]
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Re: Introducing the new SONAR: New lineup, new features, plus membership
2015/01/15 16:59:33
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YouDontHasToCallMeJohnson
So:
Let's say I have previously purchased the PRO versions, and some Pro-channel items and I now choose to purchase the PRO version and not the PLATINUM version.
What happens when one of the Pro-Channel items now included only with the Platinum version is updated?
What was Producer has become Platinum. What was Studio is now Professional. Studio/Professional has an expandable ProChannel. Any additional modules you've purchased or had from X3 Producer will still work. The ProChannel modules that came with X3 Producer would stay unchanged. Beepster
Seth Kellogg [Cakewalk]
Beepster
I mean some people are acting like we're dealing with some brand new sketchy upstart company looking to take the money and run. For sure if that were the case I would most certainly not drop any coin but I also wouldn't bother angrily posting about it like I had already been ripped off.
Think about... Cakewalk has been around for what? 20? 30 years? They are now owned by Gibson who have been around for what? 60? 70? 80 years?! I really don't think they are gonna pull the software equivalent of a smash and grab at this point.
Cripes.
Cakewalk 28y/o
Gibson 113y/o
Ah yes... I forgot about the "olds mans guitarz".
/Squizgar
[looking at acoustic instruments] What are those wooden things? Chairs?
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Re: Introducing the new SONAR: New lineup, new features, plus membership
2015/01/15 16:59:49
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Beepster
Ah yes... I forgot about the "olds mans guitarz".
/Squizgar
I think that's Geetars.
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Re: Introducing the new SONAR: New lineup, new features, plus membership
2015/01/15 17:04:35
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...wicked
One thing I'm wondering about the more I think about it is how Cake are going to manage Feature releases vs. bug fix releases...or if they're going to be mushed together. And, I reckon, is that going to mean there's a complicated user pool of folks who opted in/out at various times and have wildly different versions of the software. I'm guessing this has been thought out, but I wonder how it'll play out.
Also, the whole "you own it" at the end of your membership period, what if you need to do a reinstall? How do they keep all the different versioning intact? At least in the prior model you had your core point version and then any updates relevant to it. Now you'll have a whole range of possible updates available.
This is a very good point. I see a lot of complication when every member has a unique version installed, a classic case of "who's on first". I also think that Cake is going to have need of an ongoing list of current features and bug fixes. Not the way it's done now. If you let membership lapse then you'll want to know where everything sits in order to know when to buy in again, and determine if you are buying features or fixes. Forum discussions are going to get complicated for sure. I'm eager to see how this is managed.
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Re: Introducing the new SONAR: New lineup, new features, plus membership
2015/01/15 17:05:02
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lulz... aaand now I think its about time for another Metalocalypse marathon in the Beepster homestead...
which by the way is sponsored by Gibson... therefore the new Sonar is simply going to be awesome by proxy.
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Re: Introducing the new SONAR: New lineup, new features, plus membership
2015/01/15 17:06:35
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The Beepster homestead is sponsored by Gibson? Nice.
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Re: Introducing the new SONAR: New lineup, new features, plus membership
2015/01/15 17:06:50
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ramscapri I presume for prospective upgrade customers like me (say from X3e to Platinum), the X3e stays for ever anyway notwithstanding what happens with the new model. I could presume safely that there wont be any de-licencing of previous purchases ?Of course not! You bought it, you own it. I will be keeping X3 around as well as X2 and X1, all installed on my computer as well as 5, 7, and 8.5. I don't expect 100% of all SONAR users to upgrade immediately, and will still be covering X3 in my tip of the week although of course, now I have much bigger sandbox to play in.
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Re: Introducing the new SONAR: New lineup, new features, plus membership
2015/01/15 17:11:17
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Earwax Noel, if you are still around, you need to step in and do the same thing for Sonar Artist, Professional, and Platinum. If you are not still around, maybe I understand why?He's posted in this very thread. He is not only very much still around, but IIRC Mix Recall is his baby and it's brilliant. As to specific fixes, again IIRC the list is released concurrent with the product.
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Re: Introducing the new SONAR: New lineup, new features, plus membership
2015/01/15 17:11:26
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ampfixer
The Beepster homestead is sponsored by Gibson? Nice.
Actually... well no. I do have something in the works that they may or may not be interested in sponsoring some day but I tend to suffer from delusions so probably not. I certainly wouldn't say no to one of those slick new Epi ES series models though... nor an SG... or V... or Explorer... or... well I just like Gibby's. ;-)
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Re: Introducing the new SONAR: New lineup, new features, plus membership
2015/01/15 17:13:22
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I'm sold - I think it's going to be brilliant
I've pre-purchased my copy now (X3 producer to Platinum) from JRR for $125.16 (with the GROUP 16% off code)
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Re: Introducing the new SONAR: New lineup, new features, plus membership
2015/01/15 17:16:54
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personally i think it's good news for everyone,although i barely get time to turn my DAW PC on these days i will subscribe as the cheapest way for me to stay current, assuming we in the UK don't get ripped off (i will expect US price + 20% VAT at or very near current exchange rates! so currnetly 14.99 USD + 20% and converted via xe.com = £11.86/mon)
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Re: Introducing the new SONAR: New lineup, new features, plus membership
2015/01/15 17:18:47
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DragonBlood
You can rationalize being put at a disadvantage any way you want, but bottom line is it's the truth and not benefiting you compared to the old model.
As far as I can tell, the only disadvantage you've cited is if Cakewalk makes an executive decision to fail as a company, which would cause them to keep everyone's money without actually delivering anything. I submit that is an unlikely scenario, but no company needs a membership program in order to do that. I think Commodore computers did an excellent job, and they didn't have a membership program. 
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Re: Introducing the new SONAR: New lineup, new features, plus membership
2015/01/15 17:20:13
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TabSel
And this new subscription model is out for what, 0 years? I think it's pretty understandable when there's some kind of questioning on that model, isn't it?
Yes, but apparently a lot of people aren't reading the answers
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Re: Introducing the new SONAR: New lineup, new features, plus membership
2015/01/15 17:25:31
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he DAW is just a fancy new pen, and it seems that by buying into it at the upgrade price I am surrendering my licence to the subscription model and to terms that are subject to change as well- that can actually be a very dear cost down the road. Sorry CW, but Im a little too wary (or paranoid, if you prefer) to buy into this scheme.
Please, it's not a subscription (rental) model! You get to keep the software (it's not surrendered to anything) and once you've paid for it, it doesn't expire. If the price goes up too much for your taste, you're not forced to renew to keep using the software....Not sure why a lot of people having a problem understanding Cakewalk's new model. I got it the first time I read their blurb. If they did, the 30 pages (so far) on this thread would only be 6 pages long. Walt
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Re: Introducing the new SONAR: New lineup, new features, plus membership
2015/01/15 17:28:47
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nzpaul
I'm sold - I think it's going to be brilliant
I've pre-purchased my copy now (X3 producer to Platinum) from JRR for $125.16 (with the GROUP 16% off code)
I'm going to JRR right now!! Thanks for the heads up!
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Re: Introducing the new SONAR: New lineup, new features, plus membership
2015/01/15 17:33:07
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I'm sorry if my question has already been answered but I've read half of this thread and I didn't see anything about it:
I have a serial number for X3 Producer which hasn't been registered yet. Will I get the new version when it's released if I postpone the registration of the X3 serial number?
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Re: Introducing the new SONAR: New lineup, new features, plus membership
2015/01/15 17:36:00
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No. There is no reason to wait to register X3 and start using the product you purchased.
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Re: Introducing the new SONAR: New lineup, new features, plus membership
2015/01/15 17:41:51
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mgh
personally i think it's good news for everyone,although i barely get time to turn my DAW PC on these days i will subscribe as the cheapest way for me to stay current, assuming we in the UK don't get ripped off (i will expect US price + 20% VAT at or very near current exchange rates! so currnetly 14.99 USD + 20% and converted via xe.com = £11.86/mon)
£11.90/mo including VAT. Pretty close.
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Re: Introducing the new SONAR: New lineup, new features, plus membership
2015/01/15 17:44:04
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I just pre-ordered! I'm looking forward to the ever improving Sonar, and wish myself and the bakers a happy new year of recording and creating.
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Re: Introducing the new SONAR: New lineup, new features, plus membership
2015/01/15 17:47:08
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scook
No. There is no reason to wait to register X3 and start using the product you purchased.
Oh, OK. I thought I'd ask if there was a "grace period" or some similar benefit.
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Re: Introducing the new SONAR: New lineup, new features, plus membership
2015/01/15 17:47:28
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dwardzala
I think that's Geetars.
Hey, I resemble that remark.
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Re: Introducing the new SONAR: New lineup, new features, plus membership
2015/01/15 17:58:39
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Seth Kellogg [Cakewalk]
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I mean some people are acting like we're dealing with some brand new sketchy upstart company looking to take the money and run. For sure if that were the case I would most certainly not drop any coin but I also wouldn't bother angrily posting about it like I had already been ripped off.
Think about... Cakewalk has been around for what? 20? 30 years? They are now owned by Gibson who have been around for what? 60? 70? 80 years?! I really don't think they are gonna pull the software equivalent of a smash and grab at this point.
Cripes.
Cakewalk 28y/o
Gibson 113y/o
Why does my '14 LP have a 120th Anniversary inlay at 12? :)
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