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Seth Kellogg [Cakewalk]

Kamikaze
So you are complaining that no one has posted anything in a new forum. When people are complaining about fixes that haven't been implemented that pre-date that forum, after a new release.
 
I'm failing to see your logic here, which is a first for me when it comes to your input.

Sorry, I don't think that I was complaining. We're in a new cycle. I was making note of the fact that there were zero posts in that forum, in regards to what people would like to see come to the staff view. If we are to go digging around in the staff view, we're going to want to improve the tool set and bring it up to date. A lot has changed in the market since those tools were first introduced. 

+1 staff & notation fixes


http://forum.cakewalk.com...-request-m2512060.aspx

http://forum.cakewalk.com...Notation-m2119593.aspx

http://forum.cakewalk.com...aff-View-m2895741.aspx

http://forum.cakewalk.com...-view-m2460795-p4.aspx

http://forum.cakewalk.com...NOTATION-m2746474.aspx

http://forum.cakewalk.com...grammers-m2310046.aspx

http://forum.cakewalk.com...mmary-m1743654-p4.aspx

http://forum.cakewalk.com...ggestion-m2288777.aspx

http://forum.cakewalk.com...aff-View-m2217411.aspx


 

Wow! Just going through those threads I notice 2 things. One,  the wide range of users complaining, it's not the same small group though there is some consistency, but a broad range of users, and they are not just saying +1, they are expressing opinions. And two, the complaints that cakewalk have been reassuring for years it will get looked at.


 
 

I don't think it's beneficial to continue a debate with Seth around what happened in the past - we all know that the Bakers did not come up with the goods !
It would be better to just get the known "features" (read bug-fixes) into the "Feedback Loop" forum as single items.  You can "vote" for them there too.

Vote away Guys
http://forum.cakewalk.com...-m3152858.aspx#3152909

SvenArne
I admire the patience of the Staff View People! You haven't got thrown a bone since the early 2000s, but you still hang in there!
 
I can actually read and write music to a fair degree, but I rarely ever use notation when DAWing.

this +1 I would have bough something else by now if it were so important to me, not wanting to sond like a *$!% but I would have!

Anderton..........And FWIW, the last time this was brought I'm pretty sure someone from Cakewalk said it was not a priority for the next update.

 
Exactly the point of the O.P.

Staff View Fans.
Please go to this link. It is the Ideas and Features Forum.
http://forum.cakewalk.com/Features-Ideas-f76.aspx
You will find several threads regarding Staff View and MusicXML fixes.
In the first post in each of the threads, click on the stars shown on the right to vote for the idea.
You can only vote once so I suggest you click 5 stars.

Seth Kellogg [Cakewalk]

Kamikaze
So you are complaining that no one has posted anything in a new forum. When people are complaining about fixes that haven't been implemented that pre-date that forum, after a new release.
 
I'm failing to see your logic here, which is a first for me when it comes to your input.

Sorry, I don't think that I was complaining. We're in a new cycle. I was making note of the fact that there were zero posts in that forum, in regards to what people would like to see come to the staff view. If we are to go digging around in the staff view, we're going to want to improve the tool set and bring it up to date. A lot has changed in the market since those tools were first introduced. 

Seth, you got to be kidding!!  I've written, called, filed problem reports and posted on this forum many times over the past several years that the staff view, since X1 has new bugs that ought to be addressed.   CW cannot plead ignorance about these bugs.  The tied and dotted triplet issue probably will never get fixed, but snap bugs?  They are basic to the operation of the MIDI editor.  Why does CW take one MIDI editor seriously (the PRV) and not take the other one equally seriously (notation), particularly when details involving phrase shaping, orchestration and polyphony are dealt with far more successfully in notation than in the PRV.  There are people on this forum, no matter how much others try to enlighten them, who still think that the notation editor of a DAW should be able to do what Sibelius does.  This is not true, nobody who understands the function of a MIDI editor in a DAW expects that from the staff view.   What IS expected is for it to work as a MIDI editor, which doesn't include printing publish-quality scores, that is not the function of the notation editor.  Fixing the triplet issue and the snap bugs and the right-click property bug (for notes below the staff) and the garbled order of the track pane instrument list would go a long way to making the staff view into a solid MIDI editor.
 
JG
www.jerrygerber.com
 
 

Amen brother.

I've now voted on them all. 
 
BTW, I'm pretty sure that this is what Seth was referring to as the current means of establishing priority.    The long list of links posted earlier are from general SONAR forum threads dating from 2009-2013.  Which means that: A) It's not necessarily the same group of users (or updates) as today, and more importantly B) There's no way to gauge feedback/popularity on each aspect when in generic forum threads vs. using the new star system.  
 
Oh, did I mentioned I voted on those feature requests?         And personally, I thought it was great how everyone broke them out into easily digestible chunks so that each one can be rated on its own merit. 
 

jsg
 
.............Why does CW take one MIDI editor seriously (the PRV) and not take the other one equally seriously (notation), particularly when details involving phrase shaping, orchestration and polyphony are dealt with far more successfully in notation than in the PRV.  T
 
JG
www.jerrygerber.com
 
 

 
Because notation does not mean much, if anything, to the perceived market strengths...those who cannot read music and are more interested in "cut and paste" and glue it together. For that PRV is about all that is needed. 
 
Forget those people who want to try and create scores, or any sort of sheet music. The "fob off" of CW saying , "...well use another app then" speaks volumes. It would seem that none of the staff at CW can either use notation and/or are simply not interested. There needs to be a internal desire to add notation properly, as they certainly do not appear to take any notice of 3rd party (forum/other) requests.