Kamikaze
BTW how many things from Feature Request have you implemented? Seems some posters think that using that section is futile.

That new forum was just introduced at the beginning of October. Since we were already in feature lock at that point, we haven't implemented anything yet.

So you are complaining that no one has posted anything in a new forum. When people are complaining about fixes that haven't been implemented that pre-date that forum, after a new release.
 
I'm failing to see your logic here, which is a first for me when it comes to your input.

Kamikaze
So you are complaining that no one has posted anything in a new forum. When people are complaining about fixes that haven't been implemented that pre-date that forum, after a new release.
 
I'm failing to see your logic here, which is a first for me when it comes to your input.

Sorry, I don't think that I was complaining. We're in a new cycle. I was making note of the fact that there were zero posts in that forum, in regards to what people would like to see come to the staff view. If we are to go digging around in the staff view, we're going to want to improve the tool set and bring it up to date. A lot has changed in the market since those tools were first introduced. 

Seth Kellogg [Cakewalk]
I can see this is a hot topic, so I took a look at the Feature Request forum (http://forum.cakewalk.com/Features-Ideas-f76.aspx). Maybe I missed something, but I don't see any Staff View features or requests listed in the 2 pages there. If there are, I unfortunately missed it and they are definitely not the most popular topics. Anyways, to start addressing concerns we'll need to know what Staff users really want/need and to see what type of support they get.  

Please take a moment and start listing what you'd like to see over in that forum.
 

vintagevibe
 
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Others from Cakewalk have told me it will never get any major upgrade. 
.....

Do you remember who those employees were and what year? It's entirely possible they aren't even with the company anymore. 

OK I was perfectly willing to give you guys the benefit of the doubt but this is insulting.
Who were they and maybe they left the company ?
You have just flipped me over to the dark side.
Google either one of these lines to see some Staff View requests.
musicXML site:forum.cakewalk.com
"staff view" site:forum.cakewalk.com
Some of the hits go back to 2006 maybe earlier.
And there are hundreds of them.

Seth Kellogg [Cakewalk
I was making note of the fact that there were zero posts in that forum, in regards to what people would like to see come to the staff view.

Hi Seth-
 
They're starting to come in now.
 
Thanks-
 
-Susan
 

Longtime CW user here, started with 6.0. I read music and use the staff view extensively. I also use event list for volume changes. I never use piano roll. So I guess I am probably very atypical. Basically, I use Sonar (8.5) as if it were a notation system, but then have the benefit of much better sound. Not that Sonar's notation system is to be confused with Sibelius, Finale or Notion. But I don't expect it to be. To me, it's just the way I edit. Because I write for orchestra, I need to see all the instruments playing at a given time. I have to see how they fit with each other in terms of range, harmony and orchestration factors. Staff view is the only thing that really allows this, at least for me. Piano view would only confuse me. so, I'm in the curious position of saying I have stayed with sonar because of the staff view. I tried the free version of Cubase (the one that comes with their interfaces), but did not like it. I looked into Reaper, but they have no staff view. I have joined their forum to add my voice to those calling for a staff view in Reaper. In fact, I drew their attention to Sonar's staff view. If it were even that good, I might consider migrating to Reaper. but it looks like that is a long shot. I think those who say that folks who use DAWS don't use staff view as much are probably right. But I will stay with Sonar until someone else has a comparable DAW with a better staff view. Having said all this, I would really love a better staff view in Sonar. In my opinion, they would then be the premier DAW. As it stands, I think they are among the best. A staff view as good as Cubase would elevate them to the top.

Seth Kellogg [Cakewalk]

Kamikaze
So you are complaining that no one has posted anything in a new forum. When people are complaining about fixes that haven't been implemented that pre-date that forum, after a new release.
 
I'm failing to see your logic here, which is a first for me when it comes to your input.

Sorry, I don't think that I was complaining. We're in a new cycle. I was making note of the fact that there were zero posts in that forum, in regards to what people would like to see come to the staff view. If we are to go digging around in the staff view, we're going to want to improve the tool set and bring it up to date. A lot has changed in the market since those tools were first introduced. 

+1 staff & notation fixes


http://forum.cakewalk.com...-request-m2512060.aspx

http://forum.cakewalk.com...Notation-m2119593.aspx

http://forum.cakewalk.com...aff-View-m2895741.aspx

http://forum.cakewalk.com...-view-m2460795-p4.aspx

http://forum.cakewalk.com...NOTATION-m2746474.aspx

http://forum.cakewalk.com...grammers-m2310046.aspx

http://forum.cakewalk.com...mmary-m1743654-p4.aspx

http://forum.cakewalk.com...ggestion-m2288777.aspx

http://forum.cakewalk.com...aff-View-m2217411.aspx


 

I also trawled through Features request a yesterday or the day before and found as you found. In this thread I asked for someone to start a thread  in there as I did not feel I was familiar enough with a) Staff view b) music theory, to start an maintain a starting posting there. http://forum.cakewalk.com/Staff-View-Bugs-m3151462.aspx
 
When there were no takers I sats down tonight and did some searches to try a summarise the wants of posters in a structured way, linking to posts, and showing there was an interest. But in truth it seems their isn't a demand to make it into anything special, just something that works well ie fixed.
 
My main use has been trying to take sheet music and use the staff view to input it into Sonar. I beat my head against a wall trying to do so. In hindsight and after reading its seems that it was because bugs such as to do with triplets and snapping were the reasons I was pulling my hair out. 
 
Ironically one of the threads, where a poster was struggling met the defence from the OP of this thread  http://forum.cakewalk.com...iew-Bugs-m3151462.aspx
 

jsg
No, its not that bad.  I've written and produced over 32 symphonic movements using the staff view,  anyone who says its unusable is wrong.  Using keybindings to choose which note-value you want to enter really speeds things up a lot.  There are a few bugs with the SNAP function (the staff view snap function is independent of the universal snap function on the control bar) but completely usable.  It does need improvement but it gets the job done if you're willing to invest the time to learn it well.
 
JG
www.jerrygerber.com

http://forum.cakewalk.com/notation-editor-is-too-bad-and-hard-to-work-on-m3120862.aspx
 
but it seems this defender is finally sick the little things not being taken care of. Going by the above post, he is well qualified and familiar with it to really comment.
 
In you new model, we only get bug fixes for the year we subscribe, but if you haven't addressed bugs from previous years, and state that this has been yet again been deferred. You must understand the cynicism. It seems the bugs on SV effect all users and as such, should not be deferred, especially with your new model, it's asking us for commitment, without giving it.
 

microapp

Seth Kellogg [Cakewalk]
I can see this is a hot topic, so I took a look at the Feature Request forum (http://forum.cakewalk.com/Features-Ideas-f76.aspx). Maybe I missed something, but I don't see any Staff View features or requests listed in the 2 pages there. If there are, I unfortunately missed it and they are definitely not the most popular topics. Anyways, to start addressing concerns we'll need to know what Staff users really want/need and to see what type of support they get.  

Please take a moment and start listing what you'd like to see over in that forum.
 

vintagevibe
 
....
Others from Cakewalk have told me it will never get any major upgrade. 
.....

Do you remember who those employees were and what year? It's entirely possible they aren't even with the company anymore. 

OK I was perfectly willing to give you guys the benefit of the doubt but this is insulting.
Who were they and maybe they left the company ?
You have just flipped me over to the dark side.
Google either one of these lines to see some Staff View requests.
musicXML site:forum.cakewalk.com
"staff view" site:forum.cakewalk.com
Some of the hits go back to 2006 maybe earlier.
And there are hundreds of them.

Since 2006 Cakewalk has had 2 different owners, 2 different CEO's, and switched to an entirely new distribution/development model. To say a lot has changed internally since then is an understatement. We really don't have the time to dig through thousands of posts from years ago. What really matters now is the current group of developers, our support personnel, and facilitating and updating tools for users to send us feedback. 
 

Susan G

Seth Kellogg [Cakewalk
I was making note of the fact that there were zero posts in that forum, in regards to what people would like to see come to the staff view.

Hi Seth-
 
They're starting to come in now.
 
Thanks-
 
-Susan
 

Thank you Susan!

You have convinced me that Cake does not have the chops to do this.