Monkey23
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Re: SampleTank 3 Release
2014/02/14 23:59:25
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cclarry
I'm not forcing anyone to NOT buy SampleTanked....I'm just saying I won't...and MANY MANY won't.
Sometimes it comes down to principle. Companies need to be held accountable to their investors...
I feel that, having purchased a lot of IK Product, I'm an Investor...and if I invest in your company,
and you ignore what I've invested in....then I have every RIGHT to be upset when you don't....
and YOU (the company) need to take the responsibility for it.
Investor. There's that word again. Unless you have shares in the ik multimedia company, you are not an investor. You are just a product owner. You should check your Sampletank EULA again (since you most likely simply clicked ACCEPT/AGREE the first time). It'll explain exactly what you purchased.
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MGC59
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Re: SampleTank 3 Release
2014/02/15 02:18:22
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"So you wanted a public apology? I'm sorry.
I'm sorry you don't like Peter and I. I'm sorry we bug you and I'm sorry you can't let it go or leave IKs name alone. I'm sorry people keep bringing up IK, our products and our upcoming releases. I'm sorry that this software has made such a huge impact on your day to day life that you can't let it go. I hope SampleTank 3 and other future IK titles make it up to you."
What a pathetic statement there Obi...catty, disingenuous and snarky all rolled into one. Deflect the blame for your failings back at the customer.
Seriously, just get out and don't come back until you have the product you keep promising...
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cclarry
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Re: SampleTank 3 Release
2014/02/15 08:22:05
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Monkey23
cclarry
I'm not forcing anyone to NOT buy SampleTanked....I'm just saying I won't...and MANY MANY won't.
Sometimes it comes down to principle. Companies need to be held accountable to their investors...
I feel that, having purchased a lot of IK Product, I'm an Investor...and if I invest in your company,
and you ignore what I've invested in....then I have every RIGHT to be upset when you don't....
and YOU (the company) need to take the responsibility for it.
Investor. There's that word again. Unless you have shares in the ik multimedia company, you are not an investor. You are just a product owner.
You should check your Sampletank EULA again (since you most likely simply clicked ACCEPT/AGREE the first time). It'll explain exactly what you purchased.
I do read the EULA Monkey....a software company sells you a LICENSE, not a product, the company STILL owns and is RESPONSIBLE FOR the Product, and they are LICENSES TO USE...and if YOU CAN'T USE IT, as I point out previously in another post you obviously didn't read, then that license is VOID, and you should get a refund. The attitude that "THE COMPANY' owes NOTHING, is a CORPORATE attitude. The company has a RESPONSIBILITY to the LICENSEE to keep that product "USABLE", this is why the EVERY SOFTWARE COMPANY ON THE PLANET issues updates and patches and upgrades. It's not buy a PRODUCT and you're done. Sorry, not what it's about.
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cclarry
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Re: SampleTank 3 Release
2014/02/15 08:24:59
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Also, ANYONE who purchases a product such as this is an INVESTOR. We are INVESTING
our MONEY into, not just a Product, but a COMPANY, in the HOPES that the COMPANY will
do what's right, and keep the product supported, so that we can continue to make music.
If they don't, we have every reason to be upset, and to complain about it.
If you, PERSONALLY, don't believe that the company has that responsibility, that's YOUR
opinion, and YOUR entitled to it.
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cclarry
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Re: SampleTank 3 Release
2014/02/15 09:25:20
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Let me further state...
The Company can opt to "discontinue" support for product. They have the right by the agreement.
But that usually means that the program has been superseded by a new program (i.e. Trilogy for Trillian
just as an example)
If a company drops a product completely, then we have no recourse. Sadly...this happens (i.e. GigaStudio)
But a company that is STILL selling a product, should be supporting it....not even debatable...if they
WANT the revenue, they should be supporting it.
This has NOT been the case with the SampleTank line of products. This has been an EPIC fail on IK's part.
There "sensitivity" to the issue is obvious. And the "misleading" comments have been going on for years.
Support them if you so desire. That is your Prerogative, as continuing my campaign against the tyranny of
Corporate avarice and greed is mine...
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SongCraft
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Re: SampleTank 3 Release
2014/02/15 13:07:40
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@ IK Multimedia Just stopping by to add my support and patience; Please don't rush the release of ST3, I'm not concerned if it takes several more months due to for example; 'quality control' along with further 'tweaks' then that's perfectly understandable. For now of course and the point is; SampleTank 2.5 XL is fully functional and continues to be one of my 'main go-to plugins' for composing. Even the good ole cclarry has stated (posted) that SampleTank works fine and he's using it with Windows 8.1 see thread here: (( reference - post)) - yep, ST2.5 has always been absolutely rock-solid from the word go for me; no glitches, no crashes, and incredibly light on PC resources, much lighter compared to other similar plugins. Long ago I purchased several IKM products; I'm still very grateful and always satisfied with them all, totally love 'em products. That said, IMO, IKMultimedia produces 'exemplary-ware' and their support to me has always been spot on. Thanks IKMultimedia, wish you all the very best. :) I've been following this topic (and other similar topics here and on other sites) very carefully, mostly just reading, read all posts carefully numerous times. And considering of course the majority of forumites who have not posted and certainly not interested in participating (posting) on forums here or on other sites renders most discussions (not all), reviews and polls = inconclusive, or as the old saying goes; taken with a grain of salt. Aww heck, even in matters unrelated to this topic and this site I guess it's typical to see mostly the same minority of registered users hanging around day in day out to repeatedly air their dirty laundry, talk in circles (the same old nag, nag nag), outwit, then joke, then outwit the jokes and then laugh and laugh :P 
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cclarry
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Re: SampleTank 3 Release
2014/02/15 13:58:35
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SongCraft
@ IK Multimedia
Just stopping by to add my support and patience; Please don't rush the release of ST3, I'm not concerned if it takes several more months due to for example; 'quality control' along with further 'tweaks' then that's perfectly understandable. For now of course and the point is; SampleTank 2.5 XL is fully functional and continues to be one of my 'main go-to plugins' for composing. Even the good ole cclarry has stated (posted) that SampleTank works fine and he's using it with Windows 8.1 see thread here: ((reference - post)) - yep, ST2.5 has always been absolutely rock-solid from the word go for me; no glitches, no crashes, and incredibly light on PC resources, much lighter compared to other similar plugins. Long ago I purchased several IKM products; I'm still very grateful and always satisfied with them all, totally love 'em products. That said, IMO, IKMultimedia produces 'exemplary-ware' and their support to me has always been spot on. Thanks IKMultimedia, wish you all the very best. :)
I've been following this topic (and other similar topics here and on other sites) very carefully, mostly just reading, read all posts carefully numerous times. And considering of course the majority of forumites who have not posted and certainly not interested in participating (posting) on forums here or on other sites renders most discussions (not all), reviews and polls = inconclusive, or as the old saying goes; taken with a grain of salt. Aww heck, even in matters unrelated to this topic and this site I guess it's typical to see mostly the same minority of registered users hanging around day in day out to repeatedly air their dirty laundry, talk in circles (the same old nag, nag nag), outwit, then joke, then outwit the jokes and then laugh and laugh :P
Glad your content SongCraft. Most aren't. Yep..it works...barely....and still must be bridged, which further limits it's usefulness. While every other DAW and sampler out is 64 bit, and aren't making excuses about it. They've even gone AAX, which what is DELAYING ST3 (according to the Reps)...which they could have already released, and later do a point update to ADD AAX support, but chose NOT TO. You all somehow think this is ABOUT SampleTank, it's not...it's about IK's lack of support and handling of SampleTank....just to AGAIN make that clear. The ongoing it's coming "vaporware" issue is a sidechain...( see what I did there?). It's also that they're "hyping" the Product, with no apologies for not supporting it for YEARS AND YEARS. At least the others have kept up with "point" updates...which IK could have done to get it to 64 bit, before doing a "rebuild". It's doesn't take 5 years to do that....sorry. They chose to go after iDollars, full throttle, and left this product unsupported, EVEN updating Amplitube and T-Racks BEFORE doing something with this now VERY legacy software. That's the issue that's being discussed. As I said, Glad you're content. Most aren't...and have already moved on (to better, supported, ground). They'll sell. GAS always wins in the end. Just ask the Oil Companies...
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Guitarpima
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Re: SampleTank 3 Release
2014/02/15 23:44:00
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I guess I don't get the hostility about slow releases. Yes, I'm somewhat perturbed by the slow release but honestly, who gives a crap? ST 2.5 and all it's brethren are useless to me. They don't work and that bothers me a bit but for the most part, I don't use synths that often. It's just a matter of 32bit not working in 64bit. Some have luck and that's great.
I'm not even happy with the T-Racks mastering program. It won't run on my machine either. I suspect it's another 32bit not liking the 64bit environment or whatever. I don't know. I'm just a user who can't use that product.
So yes, I wish they would release ST3 just to stop this incessant IK bashing. They are not in business to fulfill our whims.
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yorolpal
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Re: SampleTank 3 Release
2014/02/16 00:03:26
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Then what are they in business for?
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Sycraft
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Re: SampleTank 3 Release
2014/02/16 02:29:43
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Guitarpima
So yes, I wish they would release ST3 just to stop this incessant IK bashing. They are not in business to fulfill our whims. The thing is the whim of 64-bit support is not an unreasonable one, nor one that should be that hard. That audio software doesn't do 64-bit in 2014 is pretty unacceptable. Windows came out with a 64-bit version for AMD/Intel x64 processors in mid 2005. It isn't like 64-bit is new, it is near a decade old on the desktop. Audio, being one of the big memory users, was one of the things to start moving first. Also given that Windows uses the LLP64 data model, it makes porting pretty easy so long as you didn't do silly things like cast pointers in to ints and so on. So I think it is reasonable for people to be rather annoyed with them for not going 64-bit for so long. Also I think a large part of the frustration is that after so long, now they are going heavy on the hype but light on the release. They keep talking about it but are not putting it out there. That is a bad sign. Not because they are refusing to launch before it is ready but because it often means that marketing smoke and mirrors is being used to try and cover the lack of anything being ready. nVidia did this with the GeForce 400 series. They weren't ready for AMD's 5000 series and had no cards to hit back with so they went in to overdrive with the hype machine. Then, after quite a bit of waiting, they launched a fairly lackluster product. Compare that to when they launched their 8000 series, one of their best releases ever, they were exceedingly quiet until they had cards to sell, despite rumors that their cards weren't going to be as good as AMD's. When companies go heavy on hype but with no real details/launch info, that is a worrying situation. It is even more frustrating to people who have been waiting half a decade, as it seems many here have.
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SuperG
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Re: SampleTank 3 Release
2014/02/16 07:39:17
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So yes, I wish they would release ST3 just to stop this incessant IK bashing. They are not in business to fulfill our whims. They're in business to make money. Unfortunately for them, the customary way of doing do that is by fulfilling customer's whims.
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cclarry
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Re: SampleTank 3 Release
2014/02/16 08:34:51
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yorolpal
Then what are they in business for?
+1 When your customers WRITE YOUR PAYCHECK, I think that's what you're in business for... and we don't want them to jump to "our whims" we want them to keep the product current and up to date. I certainly don't feel that is unreasonable. Seriously 11 years for a version increase? That's obsurd no matter how you slice it.
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cclarry
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Re: SampleTank 3 Release
2014/02/16 08:35:53
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SuperG
So yes, I wish they would release ST3 just to stop this incessant IK bashing. They are not in business to fulfill our whims.
They're in business to make money.
Unfortunately for them, the customary way of doing do that is by fulfilling customer's whims.
+1 Got that right!
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cclarry
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Re: SampleTank 3 Release
2014/02/16 08:43:41
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Just another note... The whole THE COMPANY DOESN'T OWE THE CUSTOMER ANYTHING mentality boggles my mind... I don't understand that. That's a "Corporate Mentality". WE ARE THE COMPANY - BOW TO US! Suppose Cakewalk said "We won't be updating Sonar for the next 5 to 10 years". Sure the product would still work. But other DAW's would be moving with technology while Sonar was "standing still gathering dust". That's NOT a good business model. Would you be happy about it when other DAW's are now 128 bit, with TOTALLY AWESOME NEW FEATURES, while your stuck with an archaic piece of software? I, personally, don't get how anyone could say "well that's ok - you got what you paid for"???
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michaelhanson
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Re: SampleTank 3 Release
2014/02/16 09:18:20
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"Suppose Cakewalk said "We won't be updating Sonar for the next
5 to 10 years". "
I would be disappointed and then I would buy another DAW and move on.
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Re: SampleTank 3 Release
2014/02/16 10:16:35
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MakeShift
"Suppose Cakewalk said "We won't be updating Sonar for the next
5 to 10 years". "
I would be disappointed and then I would buy another DAW and move on.
That's already been established (and done with regards to SampelTank) by the VAST MAJORITY. That's NOT the issue....as has been stated time and time again. It's no wonder I repeat myself so much. The issue is making a company responsible for it's actions and responsibility to it's customers, as well as it's product. It sold A LOT of people a PRODUCT, and THEN failed to support it. That's NOT good business. Everyone else can rest on their laurels and say nothing. But I won't. I'll fight this fight tooth and nails until IK makes a public apology to those who invested (YES INVESTED) large somes of money into a program that was basically considered "expendable" by IK. The ENTIRE reason to offload the ST Programs and Libraries at GIVE AWAY pricing in the last group buy was to bring NEW customers in to purchase the NEW version of their now aging and archaic program, that most of the EXISTING users got shafted on, and HAD to move on to other programs because THIS program wasn't being supported. Furthermore, they "dangled a carrot" for 4 years, while they went after the iCrap market. They will sell it no doubt. But that's not going to stop me from telling them about the way those of use who bought ST 2 were treated. I can't stop them from buying anything, but I can let them know HOW this company operates....and WILL. CAVEAT EMPTOR.
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cclarry
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Re: SampleTank 3 Release
2014/02/16 10:29:33
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Sycraft
Guitarpima
So yes, I wish they would release ST3 just to stop this incessant IK bashing. They are not in business to fulfill our whims.
The thing is the whim of 64-bit support is not an unreasonable one, nor one that should be that hard. That audio software doesn't do 64-bit in 2014 is pretty unacceptable. Windows came out with a 64-bit version for AMD/Intel x64 processors in mid 2005. It isn't like 64-bit is new, it is near a decade old on the desktop. Audio, being one of the big memory users, was one of the things to start moving first. Also given that Windows uses the LLP64 data model, it makes porting pretty easy so long as you didn't do silly things like cast pointers in to ints and so on.
So I think it is reasonable for people to be rather annoyed with them for not going 64-bit for so long.
Also I think a large part of the frustration is that after so long, now they are going heavy on the hype but light on the release. They keep talking about it but are not putting it out there. That is a bad sign. Not because they are refusing to launch before it is ready but because it often means that marketing smoke and mirrors is being used to try and cover the lack of anything being ready.
nVidia did this with the GeForce 400 series. They weren't ready for AMD's 5000 series and had no cards to hit back with so they went in to overdrive with the hype machine. Then, after quite a bit of waiting, they launched a fairly lackluster product. Compare that to when they launched their 8000 series, one of their best releases ever, they were exceedingly quiet until they had cards to sell, despite rumors that their cards weren't going to be as good as AMD's.
When companies go heavy on hype but with no real details/launch info, that is a worrying situation. It is even more frustrating to people who have been waiting half a decade, as it seems many here have.
Excellent post Sycraft....EXCELLENT!!!
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Guitarpima
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Re: SampleTank 3 Release
2014/02/16 11:52:36
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I don't deny any of your arguments. They are valid. 10 pages of it?
Notation, the original DAW. Everything else is just rote. We are who we are and no more than another. Humans, you people are crazy. Win 7 x64 X2 Intel DX58SO, Intel i7 920 2.66ghz 12gb DDR3 ASUS ATI EAH5750 650w PSU 4x WD HDs 320gb DVD, DVD RW Eleven Rack, KRK Rokit 8s and 10s sub
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IK Obi
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Re: SampleTank 3 Release
2014/02/16 12:03:59
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SongCraft
@ IK Multimedia
Just stopping by to add my support and patience; Please don't rush the release of ST3, I'm not concerned if it takes several more months due to for example; 'quality control' along with further 'tweaks' then that's perfectly understandable. For now of course and the point is; SampleTank 2.5 XL is fully functional and continues to be one of my 'main go-to plugins' for composing. Even the good ole cclarry has stated (posted) that SampleTank works fine and he's using it with Windows 8.1 see thread here: ((reference - post)) - yep, ST2.5 has always been absolutely rock-solid from the word go for me; no glitches, no crashes, and incredibly light on PC resources, much lighter compared to other similar plugins. Long ago I purchased several IKM products; I'm still very grateful and always satisfied with them all, totally love 'em products. That said, IMO, IKMultimedia produces 'exemplary-ware' and their support to me has always been spot on. Thanks IKMultimedia, wish you all the very best. :)
I've been following this topic (and other similar topics here and on other sites) very carefully, mostly just reading, read all posts carefully numerous times. And considering of course the majority of forumites who have not posted and certainly not interested in participating (posting) on forums here or on other sites renders most discussions (not all), reviews and polls = inconclusive, or as the old saying goes; taken with a grain of salt. Aww heck, even in matters unrelated to this topic and this site I guess it's typical to see mostly the same minority of registered users hanging around day in day out to repeatedly air their dirty laundry, talk in circles (the same old nag, nag nag), outwit, then joke, then outwit the jokes and then laugh and laugh :P
Thanks for this. Always refreshing to read stuff like this buried in the rest of the anti IK I've become so accustomed to. Guitarpima
I guess I don't get the hostility about slow releases. Yes, I'm somewhat perturbed by the slow release but honestly, who gives a crap? ST 2.5 and all it's brethren are useless to me. They don't work and that bothers me a bit but for the most part, I don't use synths that often. It's just a matter of 32bit not working in 64bit. Some have luck and that's great.
I'm not even happy with the T-Racks mastering program. It won't run on my machine either. I suspect it's another 32bit not liking the 64bit environment or whatever. I don't know. I'm just a user who can't use that product.
So yes, I wish they would release ST3 just to stop this incessant IK bashing. They are not in business to fulfill our whims.
That is very odd, please shoot me the ticket number to get T-Racks working. It runs very stable on all of my 64 bit machines.
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cclarry
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Re: SampleTank 3 Release
2014/02/16 12:21:31
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Guitarpima
I don't deny any of your arguments. They are valid. 10 pages of it?
Pima...the 10 pages isn't all me...but I'm certainly not going to let IK get the last word in MY thread.... 
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cowboydan
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Re: SampleTank 3 Release
2014/02/16 12:36:43
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Reading all the complaints and everything else on this thread and also the smugness in which IK Multimedia comes back with ( which he thinks is damage control) I think it would be about time to boycot the whole company.
A company that cant keep its word and deliver on time (usually within a time span of 2 weeks) should not be a company and should therefore be boycotted.
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cclarry
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Re: SampleTank 3 Release
2014/02/16 12:49:07
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cowboydan
Reading all the complaints and everything else on this thread and also the smugness in which IK Multimedia comes back with ( which he thinks is damage control) I think it would be about time to boycot the whole company.
A company that cant keep its word and deliver on time (usually within a time span of 2 weeks) should not be a company and should therefore be boycotted.
THIS is exactly what I've been saying and doing for quite some time...I refuse to buy an IK Product until they make this right. Sometimes the line has to be drawn. I have to agree...they come off as petty, rude, sarcastic, misleading, even condescending, to customer complaints, with "we don't owe you anything, you bought a product, and too bad if you don't like it". EVEN after I tell the Reps "It's not you - it's the Company and the methods". That simply is not good business. But, if you praise them, they'll certainly say THANKS and QUOTE it. The only thing I've requested is that they Publicly acknowledge the lack of support for this product and apologize to the ST 2 customers that got pillaged. I don't think that is an unreasonable request. But, based on the sarcasm of IK Obi, I'm not expecting that to happen. My fight continues...alone if I must, but it will go on.
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Re: SampleTank 3 Release
2014/02/16 14:33:30
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cowboydan
Reading all the complaints and everything else on this thread and also the smugness in which IK Multimedia comes back with ( which he thinks is damage control) I think it would be about time to boycot the whole company.
A company that cant keep its word and deliver on time (usually within a time span of 2 weeks) should not be a company and should therefore be boycotted.
Count one more to that list. Mostly because their reps are so obnoxious. They seriously need to move both of those guys to other positions (somewhere where they are not interacting with people). I hate to say fire someone, but these two are seriously incompetent. I dislike obnoxious, cocky, and rude company reps. That's an immediate turn off and there are far to many competitors out there to deal with that kind of attitude, in any business. Different reps could have easily handled these situations without getting personal and "high school girl" about it. IK would have been better served just keeping quite, then having these two as their face. Are you listening IK? Or is everything you hear filtered though those two? edit--I just want to add that I'm sure in real life the two IK reps are good guys. And none of this is the end of the world for anybody. The world will go on and Sampletank will continue to have customers because they have been around a long time and make good products. But their reps are just seriously in the wrong biz. Sorry guys, but you've very publically displayed your lack of skills in this area. Customer service is not hard, but it takes a certain type of person to do it. A much thicker skin than you guys have, for one. IK, do yourselves a favor and find someone that knows how to handle your current and future customers.
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gustabo
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Re: SampleTank 3 Release
2014/02/16 16:01:59
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IK Obi
That is very odd, please shoot me the ticket number to get T-Racks working. It runs very stable on all of my 64 bit machines.
Hey IK Obi, Just curious what version of Sonar do you use? I don't remember if you ever mentioned that you are a Sonar user...
Cakewalk by Bandlab - Win10 Pro x64 - StudioCat Platinum Studio DAW - 32 GB Ram - MOTU UltraLite-mk3
M-Audio Keystation 88ES - Akai MPD26 (hot-rodded) - Alesis DM10 - a few guitars, a few amps
Novation Launch Control - Korg nanoKONTROL2 - PreSonus FaderPort - DAW Remote HD on iPad
Adam A7X - Behritone C50A
PreSonus Monitor Station v2 (controlling the mons)
https://www.facebook.com/groups/sonarusergroup/
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yorolpal
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Re: SampleTank 3 Release
2014/02/16 17:03:18
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@Songcraft...I'm sure there are some folks still using Cake Pro Audio 9 and still find it meets their needs. There's probably someone somewhere who listens to 78s on a Victrola. That is not the point.
I own most all of IKs music software...and still use most of it...and, like you, still like it. No one is debating the quality of their products. We are pissed about being strung along for years...many years...with promised updates that have never happened. I don't think anyone...even Larry...would be raising such a stink if IK had simply stated years ago that the had no immediate plans to update SampleTank. Honesty would have carried them a long way with most customers. Maybe not 10 years...but quite a ways. But they didn't choose honesty or customer centric service. They chose deception and foot dragging and downright bs. That's what folks are angry about.
But yes you are certainly correct about one thing...we do laugh and laugh. It makes our Tummies feel all better:-)
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Re: SampleTank 3 Release
2014/02/16 21:37:27
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yorolpal
@Songcraft...I'm sure there are some folks still using Cake Pro Audio 9 and still find it meets their needs. There's probably someone somewhere who listens to 78s on a Victrola. That is not the point.
I own most all of IKs music software...and still use most of it...and, like you, still like it. No one is debating the quality of their products. We are pissed about being strung along for years...many years...with promised updates that have never happened. I don't think anyone...even Larry...would be raising such a stink if IK had simply stated years ago that the had no immediate plans to update SampleTank. Honesty would have carried them a long way with most customers. Maybe not 10 years...but quite a ways. But they didn't choose honesty or customer centric service. They chose deception and foot dragging and downright bs. That's what folks are angry about.
But yes you are certainly correct about one thing...we do laugh and laugh. It makes our Tummies feel all better:-)
Correct on ALL counts and points Ol Pal...I'm glad someone gets it EDIT: especially the LAST one...
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Re: SampleTank 3 Release
2014/02/16 22:05:19
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Re: SampleTank 3 Release
2014/02/17 04:00:24
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yorolpal
@Songcraft...I'm sure there are some folks still using Cake Pro Audio 9 and still find it meets their needs. There's probably someone somewhere who listens to 78s on a Victrola.
LOL Victrola? Ya' still spinning that ole classic ol pal :P Here's the original excerpt from my post: SongCraft
Even the good ole cclarry has stated (posted) that SampleTank works fine and he's using it with Windows 8.1 see thread here: ((reference - post))
yorolpal
That is not the point.
Yes I agree with that remark 100%. And as I've said earlier: SongCraft
I've been following this topic (and other similar topics here and on other sites) very carefully, mostly just reading, read all posts carefully numerous times.
I understand the upset that is why I stayed out of 'what's already been said over and over' for more than a year, so of course everyone knows about cclarry's, yours and others 'point'. Hey, it must be a male thing, always gotta make a point and keep thrusting away until.... BAM mike_mccue
LOL! Seriously, lets finally get down to the real point....: The boat has already left the dock long ago... what I mean by that is; it might have been better to take matters up directly with IKM management long ago (about 5 or more years ago) with support from fellow forumites (maybe a petition?.) So, agreed; most are indeed happy (quality wise) yet upset (for reason obviously made clear on this thread and other threads over the past several years -- IMO some comments are overly exaggerated), all whilst using Cakewalk site (and other similar sites) as a spring-board to 'repeatedly' - publicly air dirty laundry in regards to a competitor not related (business wise) with said site(s) is not my way of doing things for example; I and probably many others preferred to be etiquette and patient on a public forum, why? Times are tough (economy) along with... competition is very fierce, and I don't want to see more businesses go down and people with family lose their jobs. I also believe in accepting apologies and move on without holding a grudge.
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Re: SampleTank 3 Release
2014/02/17 08:05:48
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SongCraft
I also believe in accepting apologies and move on without holding a grudge.
Correct SongCraft...and when IK makes an apology...which is the ONLY thing that has been requested... I will move on and not hold a grudge. Pretty simple really.
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Re: SampleTank 3 Release
2014/02/17 10:04:44
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MakeShift
"Suppose Cakewalk said "We won't be updating Sonar for the next
5 to 10 years". "
I would be disappointed and then I would buy another DAW and move on.
Exactly, especially the move on part. Regards,
Mike Win8(64), Sonar X3e(64) w/ RME Fireface UFX.
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