SuperG
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Re: SampleTank 3 Release
2014/02/14 10:31:44
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Trolls abound this morning....
Moi? 
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Re: SampleTank 3 Release
2014/02/14 10:34:40
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cclarry
Does anyone else find it ODD that the majority of these "Detractors"
have almost 0 post counts???
Not to mention 0 Reward Points.
......wait......
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Re: SampleTank 3 Release
2014/02/14 10:37:02
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cclarry
Does anyone else find it ODD that the majority of these "Detractors"
have almost 0 post counts???
who has 0 count? 800+, that's not zero. 33, that's not zero. My count isn't zero. Detractors? see there ya go with the name calling. Your arguments really just don't hold up. not everything is 64bit and latest version. I still don't have AAX 64 bit plugins for my ProTools 11 - cause it takes TIME and EFFORT and most of all MONEY. or 64 bit VST plugins so I can use the plugins in Ableton Live 64 bit etc etc. With Sonar at least there is a BitBridge so I can use older plugins. Many plugins aren't even 64 bit and some will NEVER be 64 bit. Small developers or old plugins, just happens. When you buy product X version Y there is NEVER any guarantee that your going to get another version or version Z. You hope. Sometimes pray. It's usually in a companies best interest - however that's actually up to them, not the user. I want EMU Emulator III VST and Proteus plugins to be updated - guess what NEVER going to happen. I did not buy my IK products in the group by, I'm a long time user. When the products I have don't work for me for any reason, 64 bit VST compatibility etc then I go an buy another product that does meet my needs. I started with SampleTank, moved to Kontakt, recently bought MOTU MachFive 3 - even thinking about HaLion 5. Buy what fits the need and works for ya. Logic will never appease someone who feels they have been betrayed in some way. Bullying is just wrong and it should definitely stop in this forum. Makes me not want to come to these forums when it's allowed.
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Re: SampleTank 3 Release
2014/02/14 10:42:37
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cclarry
Does anyone else find it ODD that the majority of these "Detractors"
have almost 0 post counts???
who has 0 count? 800+, that's not zero. 33, that's not zero. My count isn't zero.
Detractors? see there ya go with the name calling. Your arguments really just don't hold up.
not everything is 64bit and latest version. I still don't have AAX 64 bit plugins for my ProTools 11 - cause it takes TIME and EFFORT and most of all MONEY. or 64 bit VST plugins so I can use the plugins in Ableton Live 64 bit etc etc. With Sonar at least there is a BitBridge so I can use older plugins.
Many plugins aren't even 64 bit and some will NEVER be 64 bit. Small developers or old plugins, just happens.
When you buy product X version Y there is NEVER any guarantee that your going to get another version or version Z. You hope. Sometimes pray. It's usually in a companies best interest - however that's actually up to them, not the user. I want EMU Emulator III VST and Proteus plugins to be updated - guess what NEVER going to happen.
I did not buy my IK products in the group by, I'm a long time user. When the products I have don't work for me for any reason, 64 bit VST compatibility etc then I go an buy another product that does meet my needs. I started with SampleTank, moved to Kontakt, recently bought MOTU MachFive 3 - even thinking about HaLion 5. Buy what fits the need and works for ya.
Logic will never appease someone who feels they have been betrayed in some way. Bullying is just wrong and it should definitely stop in this forum. Makes me not want to come to these forums when it's allowed.
This is YOUR OPINION Machine...and you are entitled to it...but MOST feel you're wrong... you have every right to your opinion. But, as I stated, the VAST MAJORITY of SampleTank users feel differently. Logic says that IF YOU MAKE AND SELL A PRODUCT...YOU SUPPORT IT. That's pretty self explanatory. Especially a "reputable" Company. You may feel TOTALLY and completely content with the way IK has handled this - GREAT. The VAST majority are NOT HAPPY AT ALL. That's a FACT.
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SuperG
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Re: SampleTank 3 Release
2014/02/14 10:55:10
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This issue as I see it, isn't SampleTank, as a product, so much as IK, as a business. There is merit in pushing back against rumors pushed by marketing flacks. In this particular case IK abused the hell out of it concerning SampleTank3. 
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Re: SampleTank 3 Release
2014/02/14 10:56:21
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Mesh
Now I want a Variax too.
Bapu? 
Me three...I played with one at GC....it was awesome...
The acoustics are stellar, IMMO (In My Meager Opinion)
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Re: SampleTank 3 Release
2014/02/14 11:07:48
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cclarry
Monkey23
Support? Are you talking about technical support? Because if there are major bugs in your version of Sampletank then I can understand your frustration if it's not being addressed.
However if you mean product upgrade/ next version type of support then that makes no sense. That's not support.
I understand that 10 years is a long time, especially if they've made promises to the contrary. But again, they don't owe anybody anything.
Completely disagree...
They owe the customers who invested in their software the support that comes with it.
If technology moves to 64 bit (now more then 5 years old) and DAW's, VST's, VSTi's, and
EVERYTHING has gone there, and you turn you back on the customers who are following
those movements and staying abreast, you've failed your customer. Support is MORE
then just bugs. It means MAINTAINING the product, keeping it up to date, and current,
AND, above all, usable, which for MOST, this product is barely.
You have the right to your opinion, and if YOU don't care that the product is neglected - GREAT!
But don't say that the REST of us aren't owed anything, just because you feel they don't owe YOU.
But, as I stated before, the MAJORITY consensus is that they have failed....and we do feel that they
owe us the support and maintenance, that comes with a product that you've paid good money for...
Ok, I agree it's more than just bugs. I apologize, but just to be clear, if you bought Sampletank and it's working as advertised, what else is there to say? They owe you absolutely nothing as far as future updates. It might be nice, but not mandatory at all. Sorry, but it's as simple as that.
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Re: SampleTank 3 Release
2014/02/14 11:10:06
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MachineClaw
Many plugins aren't even 64 bit and some will NEVER be 64 bit. Small developers or old plugins, just happens.
When you buy product X version Y there is NEVER any guarantee that your going to get another version or version Z. You hope. Sometimes pray. It's usually in a companies best interest - however that's actually up to them, not the user. I want EMU Emulator III VST and Proteus plugins to be updated - guess what NEVER going to happen.
That's what I'm trying to say. You said it better :)
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cclarry
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Re: SampleTank 3 Release
2014/02/14 11:21:42
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Monkey23
cclarry
Monkey23
Support? Are you talking about technical support? Because if there are major bugs in your version of Sampletank then I can understand your frustration if it's not being addressed.
However if you mean product upgrade/ next version type of support then that makes no sense. That's not support.
I understand that 10 years is a long time, especially if they've made promises to the contrary. But again, they don't owe anybody anything.
Completely disagree...
They owe the customers who invested in their software the support that comes with it.
If technology moves to 64 bit (now more then 5 years old) and DAW's, VST's, VSTi's, and
EVERYTHING has gone there, and you turn you back on the customers who are following
those movements and staying abreast, you've failed your customer. Support is MORE
then just bugs. It means MAINTAINING the product, keeping it up to date, and current,
AND, above all, usable, which for MOST, this product is barely.
You have the right to your opinion, and if YOU don't care that the product is neglected - GREAT!
But don't say that the REST of us aren't owed anything, just because you feel they don't owe YOU.
But, as I stated before, the MAJORITY consensus is that they have failed....and we do feel that they
owe us the support and maintenance, that comes with a product that you've paid good money for...
Ok, I agree it's more than just bugs. I apologize, but just to be clear, if you bought Sampletank and it's working as advertised, what else is there to say? They owe you absolutely nothing as far as future updates. It might be nice, but not mandatory at all. Sorry, but it's as simple as that.
Have you read ANY of the posts in the forum? Many have said that at X2 they couldn't even USE ANY of these any more. You're not going to win this...the VAST MAJORITY COMPLETELY DISAGREE WITH YOU. You're free to go right on posting about it..but it's a LOST CAUSE. WE DON'T AGREE WITH YOU! And the same goes for Monkey, and Machine....you're not doing anyone any favors ...we simply don't agree with you AT ALL....sorry. You're completely entitled to YOUR OPINION...keep expressing it...but WE, as a group simply do NOT agree with you on this at all...READ THE POSTS. The VAST MAJORITY are in agreement that IK IS WRONG. End of story...bye bye..
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JohnKenn
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Re: SampleTank 3 Release
2014/02/14 11:43:30
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Didn't get much support over the idea of a dedicated vendor's forum, but the more I think about it, the more it makes sense. The concept would be a win for everyone, and the purpose isn't to keep people from fighting.
I can see a vendor's forum that is read only. Some company comes up with a new product and it gets posted there. Thread is locked maybe and moderators would migrate commercial posts from here to there if they get posted here.
Advantage to a read only post from the developer is that the item would be visible longer in time since fewer people are developing that people commenting. Sometimes here a good tip will go off the bottom if you've been away for a couple days.
A company develops a SE 32 bit crusher, posts in the vendor forum and not a lot of discussion would be here. Someone develops the next generation of 4D reverb and a lot of analysis would happen.
Got to keep my mind open that lack of support for this idea may also mean I'm wrong and it would make a mess. Seems like a good idea.
John
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Grem
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Re: SampleTank 3 Release
2014/02/14 11:44:11
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Ok larry. Are you talking about the vast majority of users here on this forum? All forums? Or all ST users?
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Re: SampleTank 3 Release
2014/02/14 11:53:52
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JohnKenn
Didn't get much support over the idea of a dedicated vendor's forum, but the more I think about it, the more it makes sense. The concept would be a win for everyone, and the purpose isn't to keep people from fighting.
I can see a vendor's forum that is read only. Some company comes up with a new product and it gets posted there. Thread is locked maybe and moderators would migrate commercial posts from here to there if they get posted here.
Advantage to a read only post from the developer is that the item would be visible longer in time since fewer people are developing that people commenting. Sometimes here a good tip will go off the bottom if you've been away for a couple days.
A company develops a SE 32 bit crusher, posts in the vendor forum and not a lot of discussion would be here. Someone develops the next generation of 4D reverb and a lot of analysis would happen.
Got to keep my mind open that lack of support for this idea may also mean I'm wrong and it would make a mess. Seems like a good idea.
John
This might pan out to be a good idea, but when any vendor posts a new product...... and......if it's a read only post, (generally) there's a lot questions that prospective customers might want to know more about the product. If it's a "read only" post, it will negate communication. Which, I'm sure will be re-posted in another forum ie...software LOL.
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Grem
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Re: SampleTank 3 Release
2014/02/14 12:12:22
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Mesh
If it's a "read only" post, it will negate communication. Which, I'm sure will be re-posted in another forum ie...software LOL.
Thinking the same here John. It would just manifest itself somewhere else.
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JohnKenn
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Re: SampleTank 3 Release
2014/02/14 12:14:48
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Mesh, Grem. Yeah, I do have that reservation as well, also posts about time limited sales that would have to be cleaned up rather than letting them undergo a slow death here. You're right. We would end up with a lot of duplicated stuff.
Back to the drawing board...
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Grem
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Re: SampleTank 3 Release
2014/02/14 12:19:51
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JohnKenn
Didn't get much support over the idea of a dedicated vendor's forum, but the more I think about it, the more it makes sense. The concept would be a win for everyone, and the purpose isn't to keep people from fighting.
John
OK. Re-read your post and I missed this part. Maybe this would serve a good purpose. Those that want new product info, from who ever, could just check with that forum and seek info from that point on their own. And then the threads that develop from there on other forums, would be on their own so to speak. But it would leave the latest product info more available to those seeking that info because it wouldn't be buried up so quick. Am I understanding now?
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SuperG
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Re: SampleTank 3 Release
2014/02/14 12:52:34
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Gettin' slow around here.... 
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MGC59
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Re: SampleTank 3 Release
2014/02/14 12:52:54
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What part of "IK promised delivery on a 64-bit upgrade specifically for 2013" and lied did you guys miss?
I smell trolls....
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Re: SampleTank 3 Release
2014/02/14 12:59:24
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Grem:
Give it up Larry! This majority you keep speaking of doesn't exist.
I totally agree with monkey and mandrake. They said it much better than I could.
Agree completely, Grem, Monkey, Mandrake.
There should be more important things in life than a vendetta against a software company.
And what's the relevancy of a post count?
A low post count can mean a job, a wife, kids, grandkids, you know... a life.
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rtucker55
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Re: SampleTank 3 Release
2014/02/14 13:00:07
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FYI, just over at another forum.
The ST3 upgrade prices were asked again. This time IK Peter replied "I don't have specific upgrade levels but I have been given the OK to share that it will be range of prices as low as $99.99 (conditions apply).
I don't know anything other than that. Only time will tell!
Purrrfect Audio DAW here. Wow!...
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SuperG
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Re: SampleTank 3 Release
2014/02/14 13:05:44
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Re: SampleTank 3 Release
2014/02/14 13:08:16
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I find it odd that the only one's in here support this IK debacle...\ are those with EXTREMELY low post counts... In answer to Grem's question... Every forum that I'm involved in....and every SampleTank user I know who has any real experience with the company...and the majority here as well... Feel free to keep "supporting" this company....I continue to believe that it's quite ODD that, all of sudden, all these "Low post count" people just "show up " out of the blue" to THIS thread to support IK.....just seems very "IK" esque to me....IMO....
post edited by cclarry - 2014/02/14 13:11:52
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Re: SampleTank 3 Release
2014/02/14 13:08:32
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Looks like I might be proven right in my prognostication of a $99 upgrade path. Which...like the rent...IS TOO DAMN HIGH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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JohnKenn
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Re: SampleTank 3 Release
2014/02/14 13:09:47
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Grem,
The idea in spite of the tradeoffs was one of consolidation and book keeping as well as having the information readily available for a longer period in one place. There's been many times when something valuable almost missed gets bumped or replied randomly from 3 pages down. Otherwise lost. Fix for this could otherwise be to do some extra work on occasion and look through the back pages for hidden gems.
John
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SuperG
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Re: SampleTank 3 Release
2014/02/14 13:23:35
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Too bad IK doesn't have a vendor forum over at KVR...you'd be able to smell the napalm clear over here...
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rtucker55
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Re: SampleTank 3 Release
2014/02/14 13:26:35
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Purrrfect Audio DAW here. Wow!...
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Re: SampleTank 3 Release
2014/02/14 13:30:00
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cclarry
Have you read ANY of the posts in the forum? Many have said that at X2 they couldn't even USE ANY of these any
more. You're not going to win this...the VAST MAJORITY COMPLETELY DISAGREE WITH YOU.
You're free to go right on posting about it..but it's a LOST CAUSE. WE DON'T AGREE WITH YOU!
And the same goes for Monkey, and Machine....you're not doing anyone any favors ...we simply don't agree
with you AT ALL....sorry.
You're completely entitled to YOUR OPINION...keep expressing it...but WE, as a group simply do
NOT agree with you on this at all...READ THE POSTS. The VAST MAJORITY are in agreement that IK
IS WRONG. End of story...bye bye..
Listen, I don't think anybody is trying to WIN anything. And I for one, am certainly not trying to bait you into a fight. In a sense I understand your frustration. I had a similar issue with MOTU when they ceased offering service to their MOTU Ethno program for those that "upgraded" to Windows 7. I had to go through a third Party (UVI) in order to access my samples. I was frustrated with that, but they didn't promise (or make any indication) that there would be any future updates to the program that I bought. I don't have to like it, and it would definately make me think twice before I would consider buying a MOTU product again, but that is a decision that they made. I'm over it. You should get there as well.
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Re: SampleTank 3 Release
2014/02/14 13:30:39
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MGC59
What part of "IK promised delivery on a 64-bit upgrade specifically for 2013" and lied did you guys miss?
I smell trolls....
I see your point. Anyone who thinks like a grownup and who's life is not dedicated to hating IKM must be a troll. Because after all, this has nothing to do with the fact that all software release date have a high probability or being late. It just that IK is lying to you since, of course, they hate their customers. Thanks for clearing all that up.
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MGC59
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Re: SampleTank 3 Release
2014/02/14 13:31:53
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So you have people like myself flinging rocks at Lie K Multimedia's behavior in an isolated forum and a bunch of guys banding together to contradict and criticize any points made against the software guys.
Why would you bother if you didn't really have an agenda?
Just ignore this thread? Right? Yeah right!
The stench of troll is deep here.
As I have implied quite often...the only real irritant here is Lie K Multimedia. A 3rd party non-Cakewalk peddler. Kick them out and all these discussions disappear.
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Re: SampleTank 3 Release
2014/02/14 13:39:19
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The stench of troll is deep here. Try a little Right Guard - that'll help. I seriously doubt the 'software guys' have anything to do with it. It's been pointed out before that a 64bit VSTI is not a three year job. This is a colossal failure on the part of IK management/marketing. It's no big wonder why they don't have a forum - they'd have to respond to all the vaporous statements they've posted.
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MGC59
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Re: SampleTank 3 Release
2014/02/14 13:42:02
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Vintagevibe....try to keep up here....you clearly haven't followed the many other reasons IK has created all the ire directed at them. Go back and read some of this history before you start throwing the "grownup" card around. ST hasn't been updated in YEARS.....not just 2013. I'm not going to repeat myself for your benefit.
For the record I LOVE IK products. I own a majority of them. I use them on EVERY project I do. Does that sound like someone who "hates" them?
You missed my point completely.
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