SuperG
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Re: SampleTank 3 Release
2014/02/14 17:04:24
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Hey Frankie...want some fire? I hear Jim Morrison's looking for some... no wait..
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Re: SampleTank 3 Release
2014/02/14 17:07:48
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SuperG
I just don't get the part of posters complaining about other posters needing to get a life - I don't think it's out of generosity, and why are *they* wasting their lives here..then?
Well, SG, it's like this...someone is getting through to the public...the heat is on... And those who supposedly have "lives" have come out all of a sudden to "try to derail" it... from nowhere...taking time to talk about being better looking and bigger genitalia...yes that's professionalism at it's finest...
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Re: SampleTank 3 Release
2014/02/14 17:07:53
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Vintagevibe
Thank you for the compliment.
You may be right. I may be way off base but that doesn't make me any less angry....
Much Respect.
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MGC59
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Re: SampleTank 3 Release
2014/02/14 17:09:13
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.....angry at IK Multimedia.
Not anyone here in the forum.
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Re: SampleTank 3 Release
2014/02/14 17:11:28
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MGC59
.....angry at IK Multimedia.
Not anyone here in the forum.
Well said... It boggles my mind that these "professionals" who have such awesome and busy lives have suddenly taken the time from their "awesome and busy" music making careers to come here and grace us with their presence... This thread was aimed at the lack of support for SampleTank...not at anyone else...or any of the reps....
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Re: SampleTank 3 Release
2014/02/14 17:31:56
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Here ya go Larry, I found 'em for ya.......... ;) 
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Re: SampleTank 3 Release
2014/02/14 17:40:04
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There are no IK reps aside from IK Obi and me in this thread. Sorry that you feel suspicious of other users being affiliated with IK (and I do understand why you might feel that way) but we are the only ones in this thread. I also feel we've been very well-behaved across this forum (not just this thread) recently and I don't want to see that set back by something (or individuals) for which we are not responsible.
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IK Obi
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Re: SampleTank 3 Release
2014/02/14 17:47:12
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IK_Multimedia
There are no IK reps aside from IK Obi and me in this thread. Sorry that you feel su****ious of other users being affiliated with IK (and I do understand why you might feel that way) but we are the only ones in this thread. I also feel we've been very well-behaved across this forum (not just this thread) recently and I don't want to see that set back by something (or individuals) for which we are not responsible.
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MGC59
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Re: SampleTank 3 Release
2014/02/14 18:01:50
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su****ious .....now that must have been some word to get censored like that. Fair enough IK guy but how would I know someone hasn't been offered some free software to "take the heat" off you guys.... I'm not saying that's the case but that could happen. You guys obviously care enough to keep an eye on what's going on in this thread and other "hot spots". Please pass along a message to your overlords back in the old country for me; Vergognati! Avette tradito la fiducia dei vostri clienti. Bravi.
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IK_Multimedia
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Re: SampleTank 3 Release
2014/02/14 18:07:01
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Yes there are all kinds of conspiracy theories can unwind if one uses enough imagination, then there's the truth which I posted above. Nobody with any IK affiliation, including any free software scenarios, is participating in this thread aside from me and IK Obi. I cared enough to point out in a very civil fashion that we were not guilty of what we were accused, that's all. I felt it was courteous and civil, as has been our interaction here as of late but I know you'd rather see us leave so you won't accept even the civil and courteous message I posted above as it will never be enough. That's, of course, your right and I won't get in the way of that. Note we haven't participated in this thread for a long time, except for this one thing which is a marked change from past behavior.
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Re: SampleTank 3 Release
2014/02/14 18:14:16
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The forum censored the word sus-spish-ious since the middle syllable is a slur against an ethnic group.
How do we know that cclarry and the other posters don't work for NI? They'd certainly have an interest in messing with a competitor. Maybe NI offered them free software for posting here?
Honestly, I don't believe that, but it's as absurd as the accusations thrown back the other way.
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MGC59
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Re: SampleTank 3 Release
2014/02/14 18:39:02
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Cool story bro....I have stated repeatedly that I love and use IK products (with the exception of iToys)
That being said, I'd work for NI in a heartbeat. I am also shallow enough to take free software form IK to turn the tide in their favor (hint, hint). The only caveat is that it better be 64-bit PC stuff and not for iPhones!
Since we're floating theories about the place...maybe I started that thought to plant the seed in IK's head to fork over some free ST3????
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SuperG
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Re: SampleTank 3 Release
2014/02/14 19:27:07
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One thing's for sure, the professional marketing mouthpiece's will be out in force when(if?) ST3 belatedly makes it out. I mean, there's only so much room for a general purpose rompler. The libraries would have to be markedly better than the likes of Kontakt, et. al.
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MGC59
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Re: SampleTank 3 Release
2014/02/14 19:42:51
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SuperG
I don't care what it sounds like as long as it is 64-bit and plays all the stuff I already paid for like ST2 libraries, Miroslav & Sonic Synth....is that too much to ask?
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SuperG
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Re: SampleTank 3 Release
2014/02/14 20:07:39
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MGC59
SuperG
I don't care what it sounds like as long as it is 64-bit and plays all the stuff I already paid for like ST2 libraries, Miroslav & Sonic Synth....is that too much to ask?
Questions is: will they be charging you for a bunch of new libraries that you don't want? I say this, because the the vast majority of the product's value is in the libraries. This means if you're paying more than a certain percentage of the full (with libraries) price (~30%? - debatable?), you're getting a bad deal.
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Re: SampleTank 3 Release
2014/02/14 20:34:06
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It's funny that NOW the IK reps come out...to deny being here...
after I call out that these "posters" may be IK reps...
If it wasn't you..how did you know about it???
I find that laughable...really...
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Re: SampleTank 3 Release
2014/02/14 20:35:47
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paulo
Here ya go Larry, I found 'em for ya.......... ;)
Keep them Paulo...you need them more then I do...
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Re: SampleTank 3 Release
2014/02/14 20:44:21
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IK_Multimedia
but I know you'd rather see us leave so you won't accept even the civil and courteous message I posted above as it will never be enough.
Gawd, this is what I'm talking about. No disrespect to women, but this is the kind of thing a woman would say. boo hoo. lol.
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Re: SampleTank 3 Release
2014/02/14 20:48:32
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NOW...let me put you people in your place...
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The reason I have this TIME to sit here is because I'm currently taking care of a dying MOTHER...
I had to quite my job to be here to take care of her... not that ANY of THAT Is ANY of your
business. When she's asleep...I'm here...and I also have ongoing classwork to do...
So take your sorry attitudes and foul mouth slurs and fly...
Buy IK all you want...I said that before....I WON'T... ....and I have LOT'S OF OTHERS that are not going to support
ST3 either....NOTHING that I've said ABOUT IK is false...
I don't really care who these people are....just seems real strange...that THEY and IK all of sudden
decided to "come out of nowhere"...sorry...from their busy music career "lives"...my mistake.
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Re: SampleTank 3 Release
2014/02/14 21:18:21
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SuperG
MGC59
SuperG
I don't care what it sounds like as long as it is 64-bit and plays all the stuff I already paid for like ST2 libraries, Miroslav & Sonic Synth....is that too much to ask?
Questions is: will they be charging you for a bunch of new libraries that you don't want?
I say this, because the the vast majority of the product's value is in the libraries. This means if you're paying more than a certain percentage of the full (with libraries) price (~30%? - debatable?), you're getting a bad deal.
I've been just skimming this thread and don't really have a desire to buy ST3 at any price, but after reading these two interesting points, I'd pay around $20 for the new engine without any libraries to be able to play the old samples from STXL and Sonic Synth, which I paid about $500 for many years ago. There were some good samples in there. Otherwise, I'm content to just keep on using what I replaced it with.
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MGC59
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Re: SampleTank 3 Release
2014/02/14 22:20:30
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ccLarry
Sorry to hear about what you're going through,....I've got your back with these IK peddlers.
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Re: SampleTank 3 Release
2014/02/14 22:36:20
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MGC59
ccLarry
Sorry to hear about what you're going through,....I've got your back with these IK peddlers.
Thanx MGC...the funny thing is, I just pointed out that they wouldn't ship on time again...that's what started this thread. Of course, the naysayers popped right in...and then found out I was right, and that it wouldn't be out by the end of the year, or by NAMM. I've voice my opposition to this from the begin, going on for quite some time. I found nothing honorable in what they've done...nothing. I've shown the data. It speaks for itself. 11 years in the making. I'm not forcing anyone to NOT buy SampleTanked....I'm just saying I won't...and MANY MANY won't. Sometimes it comes down to principle. Companies need to be held accountable to their investors... I feel that, having purchased a lot of IK Product, I'm an Investor...and if I invest in your company, and you ignore what I've invested in....then I have every RIGHT to be upset when you don't.... and YOU (the company) need to take the responsibility for it. All I've asked for from IK is a PUBLIC apology, to ALL their SampleTank Customers for neglecting this product for far too long. Otherwise, I'm boycotting them. Seems fair enough to me. And it would be a highly professional thing for them to do (to apologize to their customers) who invest a great deal of money in these products. But, therein is the problem. I"m not going away, and I'm not shutting up about it, and I'm not letting it go... So I grealy appreciate the support MGC!!!
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Re: SampleTank 3 Release
2014/02/14 22:41:15
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cclarry
It's funny that NOW the IK reps come out...to deny being here...
after I call out that these "posters" may be IK reps...
If it wasn't you..how did you know about it???
I find that laughable...really...
We've been here the whole time, we've just ignored all the randomness that you've been typing. We only stepped in to clear a few things up. I get it, you don't like me. Okay. I don't like arguing with people on the internet, so I don't.
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Re: SampleTank 3 Release
2014/02/14 22:44:00
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I'm a SampleTank customer since version 1 and bought ST XL shortly after it came out as well as SampleMoog, SampleTron (and another Tron library from a German maker, MelloZone, for ST1 that they don't sell anymore), SonicSynth 1 and 2, Miroslav Philharmonik and a bunch of the expansions under various names. I really want to get ST 3 in 64 bit mainly to play those libraries, but heck, if they can do a version with decent sounds that lets me upgrade for $99 USD (which I recall seeing at KVR), I'm in. Sure, I'm disappointed that they didn't put out ST3 several years ago or at least a Windows 64 bit version, but it's water under the bridge (I went through my disappointment years back when I moved to 64 bit). I already use KONTAKT for detailed sample libraries like guitar, bass, drums, piano, strings, but I really enjoy the ST synth libraries I have and I'm interested in what the new version has going for itself. I don't feel they ripped me off and they lost out on a lot more sales they would have had from having a few different major releases by now. But if they can do it for $99 USD, I'm good. I love AmpliTube, so it gives me hope that IK is capable of great things. My expectation is not for them to be a KONTAKT killer, but if ST3 runs smoothly, has a bunch of nice effects, some good organs and synths, and plays my existing libraries, I'd be happy. As far as social media reps making promises, having led digital marketing at major brands (Fortune 500s), including social media, my guess is that these guys could have been told stuff was coming that never did. I know Peter from KVR (years ago, I sold him a copy of KOMPLETE 5 or 6 I bought shortly before the next version came out), and I haven't asked him all the details, but he seems to be a good guy to me. Admittedly, I've followed the thread at KVR more than the ones over here, but I really don't think IK's social media reps were intentionally misleading us. Even if you're super cynical, what would be the purpose behind some social media guy telling you that a product is coming that doesn't arrive, that is indeed super late? There's no benefit to IK or the social media guy for doing that in any sense, in fact, it's embarrassing to both parties, especially to the social media guys who are dealing with disappointed customers and IK doesn't make money off of not having released the product 3 years ago. IK easily would have made A LOT more money if they had released ST3 several years ago and were on to ST5 or ST6 by now, but instead, they chose to chase the iStuff. But IK isn't exactly a giant company, so it's not like they're Microsoft with a ton of resources that wrote off this market. They clearly didn't write off the market, even though, I agree, not getting a 64 bit version of ST2 out was super disappointing to me. But in the end, I don't find them deceptive. Just maybe not as savvy of a company as I think they could be and their dedication to ST is not what I would like it to be either, and I am going to upgrade to ST3 being very aware of their past neglect of the line and that will certainly severely limit the future investment I make in SampleTank. The mass of my sample library investment is going into KONTAKT because of its great scripting, great devs are making libraries for it and NI has proven themselves to be committed to the product. But if IK can provide an upgrade path for me that's inexpensive enough, like $99 USD, I'm going to do it. At $299 USD the bar would be considerably higher.
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cclarry
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Re: SampleTank 3 Release
2014/02/14 22:50:04
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IK Obi
cclarry
It's funny that NOW the IK reps come out...to deny being here...
after I call out that these "posters" may be IK reps...
If it wasn't you..how did you know about it???
I find that laughable...really...
We've been here the whole time, we've just ignored all the randomness that you've been typing. We only stepped in to clear a few things up.
I get it, you don't like me. Okay. I don't like arguing with people on the internet, so I don't.
See Obi, this goes to show that you REALLY don't pay attention. I've said REPEATEDLY I have no problem with you or Pete. Your doing your job. REPEATEDLY I've come to your defense. REPEATEDLY I've promoted your products. There is NO RANDOMNESS to my posts...they are in order, and complete. I didn't call anyone names, or talk about being better looking then them, or having a bigger wiener then them or anything like that...but your "advocates" sure did. I have a problem with a company that hasn't supported their product in YEARS, and THEN, wants everyone to be excited about their NEW RELEASE, after most have already gone elsewhere because of better support and product. You guys don't see HOW TRANSPARENT you are...and how SHALLOW...very sad....
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Re: SampleTank 3 Release
2014/02/14 22:57:57
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cclarry, I'm very sorry to hear about what you are going through. I work part time at a charity for very sick children. One of them just died tonight. Im very sad about it. Its not fair. But here is nothing that can be done. All we can do is appreciate the gift of life. People have to live life and enjoy every second as much as they can. Life is too short to waste it. I wish you and your family nothing but the best.
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IK Obi
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Re: SampleTank 3 Release
2014/02/14 22:58:28
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cclarry
IK Obi
cclarry
It's funny that NOW the IK reps come out...to deny being here...
after I call out that these "posters" may be IK reps...
If it wasn't you..how did you know about it???
I find that laughable...really...
We've been here the whole time, we've just ignored all the randomness that you've been typing. We only stepped in to clear a few things up.
I get it, you don't like me. Okay. I don't like arguing with people on the internet, so I don't.
See Obi, this goes to show that you REALLY don't pay attention.
I've said REPEATEDLY I have no problem with you or Pete. Your doing
your job. REPEATEDLY I've come to your defense. REPEATEDLY I've
promoted your products.
There is NO RANDOMNESS to my posts...they are in order, and complete.
I didn't call anyone names, or talk about being better looking then them, or
having a bigger wiener then them or anything like that...but your "advocates"
sure did.
I have a problem with a company that hasn't supported their product in YEARS,
and THEN, wants everyone to be excited about their NEW RELEASE, after most
have already gone elsewhere because of better support and product.
You guys don't see HOW TRANSPARENT you are...and how SHALLOW...very sad....
This makes no sense. You state you have no issue with us personally, yet you go out of your way in the same post to call me shallow. It seems far more often than not it gets personal. I get it, you don't like us. Yet you can't stop talking about us or our new software. Or even better yet, our "iToys" that you can't stop talking about or calling out. Like it or not (Though, knowing you I'm positive I already know what side of the fence you like to sit on) you aren't obligated to trash us or hop in on every single IK mentioned thread. Though, we both know that won't change anything. So you wanted a public apology? I'm sorry. I'm sorry you don't like Peter and I. I'm sorry we bug you and I'm sorry you can't let it go or leave IKs name alone. I'm sorry people keep bringing up IK, our products and our upcoming releases. I'm sorry that this software has made such a huge impact on your day to day life that you can't let it go. I hope SampleTank 3 and other future IK titles make it up to you.
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Re: SampleTank 3 Release
2014/02/14 23:06:46
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mandrake
cclarry, I'm very sorry to hear about what you are going through. I work part time at a charity for very sick children. One of them just died tonight. Im very sad about it. Its not fair. But here is nothing that can be done. All we can do is appreciate the gift of life. People have to live life and enjoy every second as much as they can. Life is too short to waste it. I wish you and your family nothing but the best.
Thank you Mandrake! Greatly appreciated. Very difficult, but we do what we must.
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Re: SampleTank 3 Release
2014/02/14 23:17:08
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IK Obi
cclarry
IK Obi
cclarry
It's funny that NOW the IK reps come out...to deny being here...
after I call out that these "posters" may be IK reps...
If it wasn't you..how did you know about it???
I find that laughable...really...
We've been here the whole time, we've just ignored all the randomness that you've been typing. We only stepped in to clear a few things up.
I get it, you don't like me. Okay. I don't like arguing with people on the internet, so I don't.
See Obi, this goes to show that you REALLY don't pay attention.
I've said REPEATEDLY I have no problem with you or Pete. Your doing
your job. REPEATEDLY I've come to your defense. REPEATEDLY I've
promoted your products.
There is NO RANDOMNESS to my posts...they are in order, and complete.
I didn't call anyone names, or talk about being better looking then them, or
having a bigger wiener then them or anything like that...but your "advocates"
sure did.
I have a problem with a company that hasn't supported their product in YEARS,
and THEN, wants everyone to be excited about their NEW RELEASE, after most
have already gone elsewhere because of better support and product.
You guys don't see HOW TRANSPARENT you are...and how SHALLOW...very sad....
This makes no sense. You state you have no issue with us personally, yet you go out of your way in the same post to call me shallow. It seems far more often than not it gets personal. I get it, you don't like us. Yet you can't stop talking about us or our new software. Or even better yet, our "iToys" that you can't stop talking about or calling out.
Like it or not (Though, knowing you I'm positive I already know what side of the fence you like to sit on) you aren't obligated to trash us or hop in on every single IK mentioned thread. Though, we both know that won't change anything.
So you wanted a public apology? I'm sorry.
I'm sorry you don't like Peter and I. I'm sorry we bug you and I'm sorry you can't let it go or leave IKs name alone. I'm sorry people keep bringing up IK, our products and our upcoming releases. I'm sorry that this software has made such a huge impact on your day to day life that you can't let it go. I hope SampleTank 3 and other future IK titles make it up to you.
I, personally don't want an apology...I want a PUBLIC apology, to those who have waited for YEARS on this product. You obviously don't read well. Sorry about that. And YOU are obviously PERSONALLY offended by my lack of support for your product. Sorry about that to. Tell your company to EARN some respect, and maybe they will.. Yes, as long IK continues down this path, there will be no rest, and I will not stop. End of story. Sorry you are so deeply offended by the facts I've offered about the handling of the SampleTank line of product. Sorry that you work for such a company that values BEING THE COMPANY over being professional, AND over the Customers who made them. Sorry that your company made a mistake by jumping on the "i" bandwagon and neglecting those of us who invested in your product. As for IK Obi, I've never had a problem with him. Stated that time and time and again...ask ANYONE here... Never said a bad word about either YOU or PETE. I've stated that things don't seem "right" and you are even defensive about that. If what I said wasn't true, there would be no need for a defense. Again, I'm not trying to be offensive. But, you guys have to admit...this whole thing seems a bit on the "ODD" side.
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Re: SampleTank 3 Release
2014/02/14 23:33:43
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Let me just say, the only thing I can think of worse then
losing a parent, is losing a child. I'm glad that hasn't happened.
I was a basketcase when my dad passed away. I'll be even worse
when Mom goes. If I lost a child....I'd go over the edge.
We are humans, with LIMITED TIME here....
This is why I believe in fighting for everyone that has been beaten and rolled
over by corporate America. We're not here for you to take advantage of...we're
here to purchase products that help us make music...
For God's sake...HELP US...don't say...we don't owe you anything.
If the approach to this new product had been different (and shorter)
none of this would be necessary.
IK made their own bed by neglecting this product for sooooo long.
They deserve to reap the rewards of that "Lack of support", as does
any company that abandons their paying customers for years IMO.
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