That was not a personal attack. It was simply an observation.

Stop the personal attacks Jonbouy.

To clarify my very specific somewhat negative earlier comment...

I will continue to wait and see what happens, and certainly do wish the bakers well.

I would still like to know if the new export notation function handles "problem areas" correctly.

Jonbouy


I don't think the modular Pro-Channel is legitimately chargeable even if the modules are. Nor do I think the export format to a specific notation program is.

To be fair, Expanded is not just about the modularity, but also comes with a new Tube saturation effect. It also changes the way the PC is navigated.

Brandon Ryan [Cakewalk
]

Jonbouy


I don't think the modular Pro-Channel is legitimately chargeable even if the modules are. Nor do I think the export format to a specific notation program is.

To be fair, Expanded is not just about the modularity, but also comes with a new Tube saturation effect. It also changes the way the PC is navigated.

Which should be able to be navigated within the advertised minimum spec of X1 requiring a 800 pixel high monitor, yes?

Changes the way it is navigated?  Currently it can't be navigated within the inspector!

I was being fair to be fair, I understand that the saturation module adds value and I've already suggested that a Softube saturation plug at $50 is good value, but the fact you can't scroll PC in inspector view when its window isn't big enough to accommodate it has to be a bug or at least a bad implementation from the outset of the original product.

Personally (to be fair) I think you are making a big mistake charging for these measly updates, when the demarkation point falls nicely at the modules that do add value and people will spend on those in order to generate your interim revenue especially if they are ALL equally empowered and equipped to do so.

Sadly, it looks like most folk are prepared to chuck money at you regardless anyway so who am I to argue. *sigh*

p.s. any news on a Rewire update anytime soon?  I'd pay for that even though it's never worked properly 'as expected' since I came in on version 7.  I have an old email that says it's been submitted to development though which is some cold comfort I suppose.

So to be fair I'd say I've been bloody fair to you guys over the years.

Brandon Ryan [Cakewalk
]

SvenArne

dontletmedrown


Im trying to understand...

Why would a 3rd Party Dev want to program a PC module when they could program a VST that could be inserted anywhere in the chain?

A lot of people actually like the ProChannel, and sincerely believe that having plugs with slim, standardized GUIs sitting in the Track Inspector is the best thing ever! I know cause I'm one of em! Some plugs I consistently use I'd actually pay (not big bucks, but still) to have repackaged as PC modules!

I'm honest, I swear!

I'm one of them too. I reach for the ProChannel first. If it won't do what I want, then I go for the giant stash of VSTplugs. I didn't consciously start working this way - it just kind of happened. I just feel like I work faster this way.


And being able to open up the console or Inspector and just see what's patched, how it's set, and now, how it's routed at a glance is somehow very comforting to me.

Yes and you can confirm of course that PC isn't some new magic, these new modules will be VST 2.4 plugins customised to fit into the style of Pro-Channel.

Again I'm not saying this is a bad thing at all and see the benefits of the additional modules instantly available on all tracks, (just like a modular channel strip on a hardware desk.)

Looking through this thread there is confusion from some contributers as to what these modules actually comprise of, which is in fact to my mind just standard VST's specifically integrated into Pro Channel's GUI and thereby limited to exclusive for use in Sonar, yes?

I'll reach for the NI's Reflektor, even though I have to go through the hassle of dealing with Guitar Rig.

Oh no, I can see where this is all headed, we'll all have to navigate through a load of proprietary modules to get to the final proprietary module we actually want to use...

I think it's finally time for me to take up stamp collecting instead.

I bought X1 and a new PC.

I have used Sonar X! 64-bit for a bit.  I simply didn't like the darn bitbridge wrapper, so I bought JBridge.  Also was annoying to me.  I also had crashes with Melodyne and issues with Session Drummer 3.  I use those two items CONSTANTLY so I went to Sonar 8.3.1 32-bit.  I knew it worked, and I moved on and have worked on that for a month or so.

I LOVED prochannel.  Putting it on a snare and saturating it a bit was the icing on the cake for the mixes I was doing when I first seriously started using X1.  I'd love to use it again.

Unless I read the first few posts by Cake employees incorrectly, there will be some fixes.  If they include fixes for my nagging issues (mostly with Session Drummer 3), I will jump at this pack because the CL1B is a sexy sexy sexy piece of hardware and any company that models it well I would like to try.  Fixes first for me so I can complete projects, then Softtube.  100% I'd be on board.  $50 or so, hells yes.

Also to be up-front, I did submit a bug report and Cake did say it was being looked at and it was confirmed as a bug (unless I read the email wrong).  So here's hoping! :)

ampfixer


This is only an opinion, there's no facts in dispute.

The two ways most companies capture market share is through being a cost leader or product differentiation. Cakewalk can't really knock the prices any lower or they wouldn't be taken seriously by many folks. Inexpensive and cheap often are used interchangeably but they obviously don't mean the same thing.

How to differentiate your product? Put in features that others don't have and make them exclusive to your product. Don't do everything your competitors do unless you do them far better. If your product has the same features and abilities as all the other products why would I buy in?

It seems like Cakewalk and all the other DAW makers need something in their product that will make consumers feel special. Buy the product and become a member of a select group. Hang out with the cool kids.

The expanded package allows those that want something exclusive to have it, and feel just a bit different than other users. I think the folks using pro tools and Presonus have that going on via the integration of hardware. The iLock isn't so much about piracy, it's a key to an exclusive club.

There are interesting times ahead to be sure, but I honestly feel Cakewalk is trying hard to get market share via innovation and strategic pricing points for their products. All of that is good for me as long as the improvements trickle down into all of the products.

+1 and a round of applause.
 
This is known as "looking at the bigger picture"

Mike,

your car analogy is a little off.  Before '73 there were japanese cars, but few of them.  People started buying more of them with the gas crisis.  Once they bought them, they didn't go back and it reached a tipping point.  Before 1980 came people were talking about how good Japanese cars were and how much better build than American.  I mean, back in the 60s all the Japanese were known for making was cheap toys and transistor radios.  That changed, didn't it?  Now it means quality.  I imagine the image of Chinese quality will change, too.  Of course, their methods of improving quality will probably be a little rougher than the use of Japanese shame.  "Too bad you missed your production quota.  We have to take another kidney."   You can't take the com out of ChiCom.

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Yep. It looks that way.

Not that it's any of my business..... but at 8yo, it's past time of just looking at the pictures and to begin to comprehend what all those words mean.

 
OH, she does... but she is usually watching something on TV and taking in the avatars. Last year, in the 2nd grade, she was reading on a 5th grade level. It is hard to find material that is age appropriate. We went to the school bookfair yesterday and spent 45 bucks on books... She is really, really smart and she is really a sweet girl too. Last year she didn't read the most books in her class, she read 95... but she scored the highest on comprehension at 96%.
Thanks for the concern... and fwiw, I made it your business when I posted on the forum, thanks for responding and just to be clear (again), I have no problem with Bub or with anyone here. 
This is one of the more civilized forums I have ever been involved with.
 
Julien
 
 

But, who knows, Casey Stengle might've been right...nice guys DO finish last:-)

 
And perhaps someone else was right when He said, "the last shall be first and the first shall be last".
 
J

I know how you feel Freddie. It is exciting to look forward to a whole new PC. But don't forget all the other feature coming too.  OK we can't wait.  LOL

Jonbouy

FastBikerBoy


I'm not neccesarily saying that's a bad thing though. I do like the way I can have the PC foremost in the inspector and then call it up or hide it by pressing "I".

it is quicker than opening 3 (ATM) vst's.

The FX chain combinator is more exciting as that will allow you to open any combination of VST's all at once and under user assignable automatable controls as a single unit.  And you can plop what you like in it.

Hi Jonbouy...

For me originally from the straight analog world, I'm used to having EQ already on my console inputs as well as frequently comp/gates, so having such devices that I like as a general goto device is very handy... I didn't use the Sonitus EQ "built-into" Sonar previously tho I did use it as a plugin occasionally... It felt too clumsy to use the interface there... I have some issues with adjusting the PC's eq, but it's definitely better...

As to the fx chain combinator? I guess for some things it might come in handy, but I'm guessing I'll almost always want each plugin's interface, not simply a knob or two... But we'll see... I'm very pleased with the current fx chain system after waiting so many years for it to arrive... and funny, but I hardly use it either.  I think I'm starting to use PC more for those things I find "standardized" and continue to load fx on aan as-needed basis...

Time will tell. It sure won't hurt to have it!

Keni