Brandon Ryan [Cakewalk
]

Bub

Notecrusher

The whole ProChannel couldn't be more underwhelming. I'm surprised no one's commented on the fact that you can only insert one instance of each effect.

Yes, I've noticed someone from Cake stated only one instance can be loaded as well. It's a huge limitation. I suppose you could waste your time routing a track to a bus, then that bus to other buses based on how many instances of Pro Channel you need ... but why do that when you can just use a normal plug-in and put as many instances of it in the FX bin as you want?

How often are some of you putting multiple EQ's and compressors of the same type on a track? Or gates? It's a current "limitation" for some plugs (i.e. the two existing comps and the EQ), but I have trouble seeing this as a huge limitation when 1) I would rarely if ever put a track comp and a bus comp on the same channel and 2) you can just drop n effect in the FX bin if you need a second EQ or something.

 
 
I have a important question Brandon?
 
 
Can I use-------> Normal Pro Channel, Compressor + EQ+ the included Tube ....-------->+ the new Softtube SAT + the new GATE/EXP in the same time?
 
 
 
 
OR will I be limit and need to close/STOP USE one of the normal section of the Pro Channel section exampel DISABLE PRO CHANNEL EQ to be able to use the  new Softtube SAT or the GATE/EXP in PRO CHANNEL in that channel?
 
 
 
 
 
I hope that's not true because if it is then the new Expand version it total unusefull...
I hope you can straight this out for us.
 
 
Best Regards
Freddie
 

Keni

The only benefit I really see is that it leaves these modules "immediately" avaialbe... You don't have to select them from a lit... Oh wait.... Now that there are more than can be displayed, you do have to select them from a list...
 

Yes this is something I don´t quite understand, I mean first PC was somewhat useful idea and now it´s going to be just like another fx bin. Why there´s no good fx bin system in Sonar? For instance, take a look how Sony Vegas does normal fx chains, simple and brilliant.

Well maybe not like another fx bin, but the fx system in general (all VSTs) should be fast and intuitive like with Sony Vegas (and it´s a video editing program!)

Jonbouy - so when are you going to take the plunge to X1? It really isn't the antichrist - it's really kewl ;)

daryl1968


Jonbouy - so when are you going to take the plunge to X1? It really isn't the antichrist - it's really kewl ;)

When the Rewire bug fix I've been after since April 2008 arrives...

Seriously, the first thing I did when X1 was released was ask someone on here to check it had been fixed.  It hadn't so I didn't.  I still hasn't so I won't upgrade now until it has.

I'm hoping the arrival of Rewire 64 from the props in the next week or so will see it get addressed but I don't expect it to appear in Sonar too soon.

To have that working will be a bigger boon to me than anything else that's turned up in X1.

I'm patient though.

Freddie H

Brandon Ryan [Cakewalk
]

Bub

Notecrusher

The whole ProChannel couldn't be more underwhelming. I'm surprised no one's commented on the fact that you can only insert one instance of each effect.

Yes, I've noticed someone from Cake stated only one instance can be loaded as well. It's a huge limitation. I suppose you could waste your time routing a track to a bus, then that bus to other buses based on how many instances of Pro Channel you need ... but why do that when you can just use a normal plug-in and put as many instances of it in the FX bin as you want?

How often are some of you putting multiple EQ's and compressors of the same type on a track? Or gates? It's a current "limitation" for some plugs (i.e. the two existing comps and the EQ), but I have trouble seeing this as a huge limitation when 1) I would rarely if ever put a track comp and a bus comp on the same channel and 2) you can just drop n effect in the FX bin if you need a second EQ or something.

 
 
I have a important question Brandon?
 
 
Can I use-------> Normal Pro Channel, Compressor + EQ+ the included Tube ....-------->+ the new Softtube SAT + the new GATE/EXP in the same time?
 
 
 
 
OR will I be limit and need to close/STOP USE one of the normal section of the Pro Channel section exampel DISABLE PRO CHANNEL EQ to be able to use the  new Softtube SAT or the GATE/EXP in PRO CHANNEL in that channel?
 
 
 
 
 
I hope that's not true because if it is then the new Expand version it total unusefull...
I hope you can straight this out for us.
 
 
Best Regards
Freddie
 

Yes you can do exactly as you describe.

mike_mccue


Hi Brandon,

Can I use the EQ as a low cut... then send everything to PC76... then come back to another EQ instance for "tailoring"... then send to the saturation tube for some loving... then return to the PC4k for a "hug"... and then send to a third EQ stage for some "gloss".

Can I do that all on one track?

BTW I'm thinking I'll want to put the PC-De-Esser up before the PC76 too.

Is it all gonna work like that?

Or will I need two extra buses to pull it off?


best regards,
mike

You can't use 2 EQ's on the ProChannel at this time so you could only do part of what you're saying with a single channel, and further more with an FX bin used in conjunction.

Depending on EQ's used, you could do all of what you describe with 2 channels using the PC and 1 FX bin - as follows:


PC EQ-->PC76-->FX bin EQ-->BUS-->PC Tube Sat-->PC4K-->PC EQ

Thanks Brandon.

Maybe later we can ask to buy a simple first stage PC-Lo-Cut filter module?


best regards,
mike

Maybe later we can ask to buy a simple first stage PC-Lo-Cut filter module?

 
I like that idea...   Simple and to the point, and no need to use the full Gloss EQ just for typical lo cuts.  Plus it would allow the Gloss EQ to be used later in-line for more "musical" purposes.  
 
 

+1

I've never enjoyed my own moaning on my tracks so I use some vst's instead. I got plenty of them too...

stevec

Maybe later we can ask to buy a simple first stage PC-Lo-Cut filter module?

 
I like that idea...   Simple and to the point, and no need to use the full Gloss EQ just for typical lo cuts.  Plus it would allow the Gloss EQ to be used later in-line for more "musical" purposes.  
 
 

True. So maybe it is a good idea to have the LP and HP filters available as separate modules to be used simultaneously with other PC modules.

Brandon Ryan [Cakewalk]

Bub

Yes, I've noticed someone from Cake stated only one instance can be loaded as well. It's a huge limitation. I suppose you could waste your time routing a track to a bus, then that bus to other buses based on how many instances of Pro Channel you need ... but why do that when you can just use a normal plug-in and put as many instances of it in the FX bin as you want?

How often are some of you putting multiple EQ's and compressors of the same type on a track?

I use at least two EQ's on every track, at least. Even if it's only the Pro Channel EQ and two Sonitus EQ's in the FX Bin, I always have at least those.

Or gates?

Extremely rarely. Actually, never because the only time I used a gate was when I used the Vocal Strip and I don't use that anymore.

It's a current "limitation" for some plugs (i.e. the two existing comps and the EQ),

There's a lot of times you need to have more than one EQ. Basically the EQ on the Pro Channel, for the way I work, is only used to roll off the high and low end. Then I get in there with Sonitus or another EQ and do detailed work. And usually that requires at least 2 instances of whatever I use in the FX Bin.

but I have trouble seeing this as a huge limitation when 1) I would rarely if ever put a track comp and a bus comp on the same channel

Well ... of course you wouldn't put a track and bus comp on the same channel, just like you wouldn't put two types of a lot of other effects on a track or bus. But, it's not abnormal to have multiple instances of a single type of compressor in the FX Bin of a track or bus.

and 2) you can just drop n effect in the FX bin if you need a second EQ or something.

If the solution to the limitation of the Pro Channel is to use the FX Bin, what's the point of having the Pro Channel in the first place? Yeah, it's nice to have it there, but honestly, I rarely use it except on the master bus when I'm doing final mastering.

What concerns me is this path that Cakewalk seems to be going down where they are limiting everything. If the Pro Channel is just using VST's, why limit how many instances of a VST you can use in it? It's basically just a stripped down version of the FX Bin. That coupled with the removal of a ton of other customizations options as well, it's getting really weird.

Brandon Ryan [Cakewalk
]

stevec

Maybe later we can ask to buy a simple first stage PC-Lo-Cut filter module?

I like that idea...   Simple and to the point, and no need to use the full Gloss EQ just for typical lo cuts.  Plus it would allow the Gloss EQ to be used later in-line for more "musical" purposes.  

True. So maybe it is a good idea to have the LP and HP filters available as separate modules to be used simultaneously with other PC modules.

I like this idea ... it sounds like it would be a very useful addition to the PC.

it's reinventing the wheel, with added lock-in; a thought: how many non-sonar users would buy pc if were an un-crippled vst? (vst3 please)

Bub

Brandon Ryan [Cakewalk]

Bub

Yes, I've noticed someone from Cake stated only one instance can be loaded as well. It's a huge limitation. I suppose you could waste your time routing a track to a bus, then that bus to other buses based on how many instances of Pro Channel you need ... but why do that when you can just use a normal plug-in and put as many instances of it in the FX bin as you want?

How often are some of you putting multiple EQ's and compressors of the same type on a track?

I use at least two EQ's on every track, at least. Even if it's only the Pro Channel EQ and two Sonitus EQ's in the FX Bin, I always have at least those.

Or gates?

Extremely rarely. Actually, never because the only time I used a gate was when I used the Vocal Strip and I don't use that anymore.

It's a current "limitation" for some plugs (i.e. the two existing comps and the EQ),

There's a lot of times you need to have more than one EQ. Basically the EQ on the Pro Channel, for the way I work, is only used to roll off the high and low end. Then I get in there with Sonitus or another EQ and do detailed work. And usually that requires at least 2 instances of whatever I use in the FX Bin.

but I have trouble seeing this as a huge limitation when 1) I would rarely if ever put a track comp and a bus comp on the same channel

Well ... of course you wouldn't put a track and bus comp on the same channel, just like you wouldn't put two types of a lot of other effects on a track or bus. But, it's not abnormal to have multiple instances of a single type of compressor in the FX Bin of a track or bus.

and 2) you can just drop n effect in the FX bin if you need a second EQ or something.

If the solution to the limitation of the Pro Channel is to use the FX Bin, what's the point of having the Pro Channel in the first place? Yeah, it's nice to have it there, but honestly, I rarely use it except on the master bus when I'm doing final mastering. 

The point of the ProChannel has been gone over to death. It's a well thought out collection of bread n' butter, channel strip FX that are present whenever you need them with consistant UI's that are integrated into the console and Inspector. Look, all thing sare not for all people. If you like plugins in the FX bin instead then more power to ya.

What concerns me is this path that Cakewalk seems to be going down where they are limiting everything. If the Pro Channel is just using VST's, why limit how many instances of a VST you can use in it? It's basically just a stripped down version of the FX Bin. That coupled with the removal of a ton of other customizations options as well, it's getting really weird.

I think you are reading way too much in. We are not "limiting everything". The FX bins still exist with all their inherent properties and the FX Chains 2.0 actually allow for complete and total customization of multi-FX. It's "build yer own". The only reason you can't use two comps or EQ's of the current flavor in the PC is due to a technical limitation. I don't imagine it will last for long and my understanding is that forthcoming comps may be able to be used in conjunction with what is currently available (but don't quote me on that). It's meant to be straightforward and usable, not infinitely flexible. There's something to things that are simple and powerful. Sometimes complexity simply for the sake of flexibility can be detrimental. There are numerous examples. We will be very careful about how the PC evolves so as to strike a good balance of flexibility and usability. FX Chains and bins are still there in all their previous glory so nothing has been removed.

I don't understand what is this fervor over the ProChannel. I must admit I'm baffled. If you don't find it useful then don't use it. I'm willing to bet that the vast majority of any product any of us owns does things we don't need or want. My microwave can cook stuff but I only use it for heating. My toaster oven can bake, but I only use it for toasting. My vehicle can haul a trailer but I can't see myself ever doing that. It's nice that it's there in case I need it, but I don't use it and I'm not upset that the manufacturer built in the capability.


I've said it once (ok many many times) and I'll say it again. I'm all for some Smart Tool customization and some color customization returned to SONAR. It's not a vast conspiracy to make SONAR a dumbed-down starter software or anything akin to some of the conjecture I've seen thrown around since the release of X1. It's about modernizing and streamlining SONAR so that it fits the modern music production environment and the tasks performed.