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Re:Sonar X1 Expanded
2011/09/16 14:23:18
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Jonbouy
John
Trust me, I actually work that way. It's great you should try it first.
All you need is at least one friend that uses the same DAW as you.
Ah, yes even as I type I can see why you might find a flaw with that.
Silly me. John please ignore me.
Harsh, but fair hilarious  I knew I'd read every post in this thread for a reason.
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Re:Sonar X1 Expanded
2011/09/16 14:29:03
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Jonbouy
FastBikerBoy
I'm not neccesarily saying that's a bad thing though. I do like the way I can have the PC foremost in the inspector and then call it up or hide it by pressing "I".
it is quicker than opening 3 (ATM) vst's.
The FX chain combinator is more exciting as that will allow you to open any combination of VST's all at once and under user assignable automatable controls as a single unit. And you can plop what you like in it.
That should be good then, but I hope it can be opened with a keyboard shortcut. I'm one of those keyboard lovers that avoids a mouse where possible. I've not really experimented much with chains at all yet. I tend to find that I use different set ups for most tracks. I'll get round to playing with them one day.
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Re:Sonar X1 Expanded
2011/09/16 14:35:52
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SteveStrummerUK
Jonbouy
John
Trust me, I actually work that way. It's great you should try it first.
All you need is at least one friend that uses the same DAW as you.
Ah, yes even as I type I can see why you might find a flaw with that.
Silly me. John please ignore me.
Harsh, but fair hilarious
I knew I'd read every post in this thread for a reason.
Very funny but no rebuttal to the argument.
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Re:Sonar X1 Expanded
2011/09/16 14:38:04
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Nah. I can think of no good reason to let such a public slur stand.
If you want to stop talking about, then stop talking about it.
I understand your position, ol pal. But I'm not sure you understood mine ...
He doesn't want to understand or clear things up olpal'. If he did, he would simply say who and what he was actually referring to, apologies would be made, and it would be over. Problem is, his own words hang him and he's pissed about it. Most Troglodytes don't like being called out and it's best to leave them alone or they lose control. See ya in the CH. Bub.
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Re:Sonar X1 Expanded
2011/09/16 14:40:10
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FastBikerBoy
Jonbouy
FastBikerBoy
I'm not neccesarily saying that's a bad thing though. I do like the way I can have the PC foremost in the inspector and then call it up or hide it by pressing "I".
it is quicker than opening 3 (ATM) vst's.
The FX chain combinator is more exciting as that will allow you to open any combination of VST's all at once and under user assignable automatable controls as a single unit. And you can plop what you like in it.
That should be good then, but I hope it can be opened with a keyboard shortcut. I'm one of those keyboard lovers that avoids a mouse where possible.
I've not really experimented much with chains at all yet. I tend to find that I use different set ups for most tracks. I'll get round to playing with them one day.
Think like screensets for your FX.
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Re:Sonar X1 Expanded
2011/09/16 14:40:14
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Bub... when my grand daughter sits beside me in my chair and I read this, or any forum, I read the posts... she looks at the avatars... I was able to scroll past yours last night before she saw it. It is a little akward to explain some things to your 8yo grandchild... or child. I mean, I ain't mad or anything but really?
Julien
LOL! Sorry about that. :) It's actually not a bad avatar, but if you don't know the show it came from and their sense of humor I can see how it would be easily taken the wrong way. :) I removed it ... no problem. Thanks, Bub :)
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Re:Sonar X1 Expanded
2011/09/16 14:40:52
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For the good of the forum: please Bub and John T block each other.
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Re:Sonar X1 Expanded
2011/09/16 14:41:53
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For the good of the forum: please Bub and John T block each other.
I did just before I made my last post.
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Re:Sonar X1 Expanded
2011/09/16 14:45:26
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John
Very funny but no rebuttal to the argument.
Your view is fine by me.
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Re:Sonar X1 Expanded
2011/09/16 14:53:40
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Im trying to understand...
Why would a 3rd Party Dev want to program a PC module when they could program a VST that could be inserted anywhere in the chain?
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Re:Sonar X1 Expanded
2011/09/16 15:00:22
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Why would a 3rd Party Dev want to program a PC module when they could program a VST that could be inserted anywhere in the chain?
Maybe you should be asking the softube guys that question.... Perhaps companies feel that they can market their older plugs (reskinned) on the Pro Channel and make a little extra money.
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Re:Sonar X1 Expanded
2011/09/16 15:06:29
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Yes but I'm trying to understand the "draw". If someone wants softube, wouldn't it be more flexible to own their VST that could be inserted anywhere vs. a PC version that is always parked "pre-insert"?
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Re:Sonar X1 Expanded
2011/09/16 15:16:09
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FastBikerBoy
Q. Anyone want to take bets on how long before a developer writes a wrapper that allows any VST to be inserted as a PC module?
I'm waiting to see a bit more info but isn't this just going to be another FX bin with a fancier interface?
Won't the new X1 FX Chain Expanded do this? I'll be surprised if it doesn't allow you to integrate it into Pro Channel in some way. So, basically... we'll be paying $49 for Expanded (which we'll call $49 for the Softube PC only Saturation VST), which also modifies PC so that new "modules" (VSTs) can be inserted (and purschased). Then we can pay $49 for another PC only VST that's a an Expander/Gate. Why would anyone want to pay for VSTs that only work in SonarX1 Expanded? I already have plenty of Softube saturation that works in any host. I already have Sonalksis and Softube gates that works in any host. I don't really get why it's necessary for Cakewalk to start selling VSTs designed to only work in their host. Nor do I get why anyone would think this would be a profitable, sensable addition and direction for Sonar. You basically buy VSTs that almost everyone already has, but that would lock you into Sonar to use them. I really don't see the sense in this. VSTs are already available, which will be as good and in many cases better than what Cakewalk will offer. Maybe the prices for the Sonar X1 Expanded only "modules" (VSTs) will be be typically lower than typical VSTs for the same function. I still find this an odd strategy for Cakewalk to take. And I'm not sure it's a "professional" one.
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Re:Sonar X1 Expanded
2011/09/16 15:17:10
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 No brainer... I'm in...
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Re:Sonar X1 Expanded
2011/09/16 15:32:05
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dontletmedrown
Im trying to understand...
Why would a 3rd Party Dev want to program a PC module when they could program a VST that could be inserted anywhere in the chain?
A lot of people actually like the ProChannel, and sincerely believe that having plugs with slim, standardized GUIs sitting in the Track Inspector is the best thing ever! I know cause I'm one of em! Some plugs I consistently use I'd actually pay (not big bucks, but still) to have repackaged as PC modules! I'm honest, I swear!
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Re:Sonar X1 Expanded
2011/09/16 15:59:11
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SvenArne
dontletmedrown
Im trying to understand...
Why would a 3rd Party Dev want to program a PC module when they could program a VST that could be inserted anywhere in the chain?
A lot of people actually like the ProChannel, and sincerely believe that having plugs with slim, standardized GUIs sitting in the Track Inspector is the best thing ever! I know cause I'm one of em! Some plugs I consistently use I'd actually pay (not big bucks, but still) to have repackaged as PC modules!
I'm honest, I swear!
I can actually see it being handy from that perspective. Just like a modular hardware channel strip. What are the chances of plug-ins that get produced for it end up being the ones you'd really choose use as you goto's though? They seem to have scored a hit with the current PC modules so it remains to be seen where it goes. I do hope they make the modular PC channel avalable, sans extra modules, to ALL X1 Pro users as a free fix though because the bigger user base will prompt better modules for sure.
post edited by Jonbouy - 2011/09/16 16:00:16
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Re:Sonar X1 Expanded
2011/09/16 15:59:23
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Stop the bickering and personal back and forths. That's not what this thread is about. Nobody cares who called who what or who said what. This thread is about Expanded. Please keep it on topic.
Thanks!
SP
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Re:Sonar X1 Expanded
2011/09/16 16:06:37
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Stop the bickering and personal back and forths. That's not what this thread is about. Nobody cares who called who what or who said what. This thread is about Expanded. Please keep it on topic.
Thanks!
SP
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Re:Sonar X1 Expanded
2011/09/16 16:08:20
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javahut
FastBikerBoy
Q. Anyone want to take bets on how long before a developer writes a wrapper that allows any VST to be inserted as a PC module?
I'm waiting to see a bit more info but isn't this just going to be another FX bin with a fancier interface?
Won't the new X1 FX Chain Expanded do this? I'll be surprised if it doesn't allow you to integrate it into Pro Channel in some way.
So, basically... we'll be paying $49 for Expanded (which we'll call $49 for the Softube PC only Saturation VST), which also modifies PC so that new "modules" (VSTs) can be inserted (and purschased). Then we can pay $49 for another PC only VST that's a an Expander/Gate.
Why would anyone want to pay for VSTs that only work in SonarX1 Expanded? I already have plenty of Softube saturation that works in any host. I already have Sonalksis and Softube gates that works in any host. I don't really get why it's necessary for Cakewalk to start selling VSTs designed to only work in their host. Nor do I get why anyone would think this would be a profitable, sensable addition and direction for Sonar. You basically buy VSTs that almost everyone already has, but that would lock you into Sonar to use them. I really don't see the sense in this. VSTs are already available, which will be as good and in many cases better than what Cakewalk will offer. Maybe the prices for the Sonar X1 Expanded only "modules" (VSTs) will be be typically lower than typical VSTs for the same function. I still find this an odd strategy for Cakewalk to take. And I'm not sure it's a "professional" one.
I don't think any of us know what CW is going to do. I don't think any of us has any reason to think CW making a VST will not sell it to any that will pay for it. They have never withheld plugins in the past so what makes anyone think they will do it now? Heck they even support Apple with plugins. PC is a integrated part of X1. It now offers many possibilities. None of which precludes CW selling a VST version to all if they chose to. But suppose they do have PC only modules, so what. We are free to get them or not. This is an issue in search of a problem. Right now we do have a DAW because it has PC that sounds different from other DAWs. How is that a bad thing as long as we like the sound?
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Re:Sonar X1 Expanded
2011/09/16 16:16:47
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Right now we do have a DAW because it has PC that sounds different from other DAWs. How is that a bad thing as long as we like the sound? Any tangible evidence to back this up? I've yet to see some. I've heard 'it's pretty cool' plenty of times.
post edited by Jonbouy - 2011/09/16 16:19:41
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Re:Sonar X1 Expanded
2011/09/16 16:22:03
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Jonbouy
Right now we do have a DAW because it has PC that sounds different from other DAWs. How is that a bad thing as long as we like the sound?
Any tangible evidence to back this up?
Ah, all one has to do is listen. Oh, you can't I forgot. Sorry.
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Re:Sonar X1 Expanded
2011/09/16 16:24:35
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Jonbouy
What are the chances of plug-ins that get produced for it end up being the ones you'd really choose use as you goto's though?
As long as the PC plugs are solid bread-and-butter plugs they will get used. If the PC consisted of rewrapped Sonitus plugs instead of the new ones, I would've used those, although I prefer the new comp/EQ (though I'd like numerical values on the EQ curve). Cake team: Now that you've got Softtube on board, how about getting them to release their Tube-Tech emulations as PC modules? Sven
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Re:Sonar X1 Expanded
2011/09/16 16:26:10
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SvenArne
Jonbouy
What are the chances of plug-ins that get produced for it end up being the ones you'd really choose use as you goto's though?
As long as the PC plugs are solid bread-and-butter plugs they will get used. If the PC consisted of rewrapped Sonitus plugs instead of the new ones, I would've used those, although I prefer the new comp/EQ (though I'd like numerical values on the EQ curve).
Cake team: Now that you've got Softtube on board, how about getting them to release their Tube-Tech emulations as PC modules?
Sven
Good answer. That makes sense to me.
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Re:Sonar X1 Expanded
2011/09/16 16:34:03
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John
Jonbouy
Right now we do have a DAW because it has PC that sounds different from other DAWs. How is that a bad thing as long as we like the sound?
Any tangible evidence to back this up?
Ah, all one has to do is listen. Oh, you can't I forgot. Sorry.
That is evidence? I'm quite discerning, I like to make informed decisions, I don't think that would sway me, your views are historically often unreliable. Seth has just asked for restraint and here you are again just being contrarily obtuse for the sake it. Please go and find something worthwhile to do.
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Re:Sonar X1 Expanded
2011/09/16 16:38:56
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That is evidence? I'm quite discerning, I don't think that would sway me, your views are historically often unreliable.
How can a view be unreliable? A view is an opinion. I take it English is not your first language.
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Re:Sonar X1 Expanded
2011/09/16 16:43:34
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This is only an opinion, there's no facts in dispute.
The two ways most companies capture market share is through being a cost leader or product differentiation. Cakewalk can't really knock the prices any lower or they wouldn't be taken seriously by many folks. Inexpensive and cheap often are used interchangeably but they obviously don't mean the same thing.
How to differentiate your product? Put in features that others don't have and make them exclusive to your product. Don't do everything your competitors do unless you do them far better. If your product has the same features and abilities as all the other products why would I buy in?
It seems like Cakewalk and all the other DAW makers need something in their product that will make consumers feel special. Buy the product and become a member of a select group. Hang out with the cool kids.
The expanded package allows those that want something exclusive to have it, and feel just a bit different than other users. I think the folks using pro tools and Presonus have that going on via the integration of hardware. The iLock isn't so much about piracy, it's a key to an exclusive club.
There are interesting times ahead to be sure, but I honestly feel Cakewalk is trying hard to get market share via innovation and strategic pricing points for their products. All of that is good for me as long as the improvements trickle down into all of the products.
Regards, John I want to make it clear that I am an Eedjit. I have no direct, or indirect, knowledge of business, the music industry, forum threads or the meaning of life. I know about amps. WIN 10 Pro X64, I7-3770k 16 gigs, ASUS Z77 pro, AMD 7950 3 gig, Steinberg UR44, A-Pro 500, Sonar Platinum, KRK Rokit 6
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Re:Sonar X1 Expanded
2011/09/16 16:43:55
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John
That is evidence? I'm quite discerning, I don't think that would sway me, your views are historically often unreliable.
How can a view be unreliable? A view is an opinion.
I take it English is not your first language.
post edited by Jonbouy - 2011/09/16 16:46:47
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Re:Sonar X1 Expanded
2011/09/16 16:49:34
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John
That is evidence? I'm quite discerning, I don't think that would sway me, your views are historically often unreliable.
How can a view be unreliable? A view is an opinion.
I take it English is not your first language.
Chill out, John. No personal attacks, please. SP
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Re:Sonar X1 Expanded
2011/09/16 16:58:24
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lol thank Christ i do not own X1. Anyone reading the last few pages of this thread would be both amused and appalled. CW, I have seen people in the CH/songs forum banned for far less than has happened in this thread...but oh yeah, they aren't in the X1 forum, are they? Jon/Strummy - leave the pit!
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Re:Sonar X1 Expanded
2011/09/16 17:07:41
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mgh
Jon/Strummy - leave the pit!
Not while we're both wearing our speedos Well, not until it's dark anyway.
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