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Re:Sonar X1 - Where are we?
2011/07/02 03:41:42
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Notecrusher Rothchild Once X1 gets a three way option for envelopes to either work as per 8.5.3, with the new envelope filter and with lanes, I will rejoin the ranks of the faithful I've got X1, haven't installed it yet. I've seen a lot of comments along these lines. Do you actually mean to tell me automation is WORSE in X1? Because it's a bug-filled nightmare in previous versions. It was one of the features we all hoped would be fixed in a Sonar edition that targeted workflow, i.e. X1. No I didn't mean it like that, it's just that the edit filter approach is my least favourite. I actually have very little issue with the way it works in 8.5.3, but I wish the envelope lines followed the colour of the sends / controls they related to (obviously this is less of an issue in X1 cos everything is blue! ;-p) As for the same people highlighting the downsides this is probably true but it should also be noted that many of them are people with a lot of time and effort invested in knowing the program and contributing to this community many of us have seen open goals missed repeatedly and are just lamenting that. Sonar 1 - 6 were all incrementally better and it was an exciting period but it seems that a lot of that impetus has slipped away. Child
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Re:Sonar X1 - Where are we?
2011/07/02 03:56:07
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Hi Chris,
I cannot verify this for you as my X1 trial expired and I haven't gotten around to replacing Sonar 7 yet. But when I was testing out the staff view before it expired, I checked all my notes (I entered 16th, 8th, quarter, half, whole, dotted and tied notes) and everything seemed normal to me. I always have my visual resolution on 32nd notes, I rarely change that.
Jerry
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ChrisBG
Are you sure about that? I just tested the staff view in X1 Trial version and found it to work exactly as in Sonar 7. I entered notes of different lengths without a problem, it seems the same as earlier versions..
Hi Jerry,
Pretty sure -- I've tried everything in the X1 demo, all the snap settings I can to get the notes to snap right. I made a post about it and nobody had any comment.. (Although one user did recommend I check out Sonar Plus, which I did, and although it looks like a great tool it doesn't deal with this particular issue).
The problem comes because the snap system is universal, there's no ability to actually snap properly to notes on the staff view. Now if you're on the right resolution it can appear as though the notes are in line -- but when you change to 32nd view or look at the note placement value toolbar thing you see they are not. It's easy to work with quarter notes but even getting 8th notes or 16ths to actually snap isn't working for me.
Maybe I'm just crazy and missing something but I can't work it out...
Anyone? Any composers or producers etc that work by notation have any comments?
I don't want this to feel like I'm annoyed or complaining -afterall, the developers have every right to do whatever they want with their own program -- and Sonar is a great product! I'm perfectly happy not upgrading right now - however, I am still curious about this. If I'm crazy and the notes do snap on the staff view maybe somebody can help me? I've tried several forums and two threads here and nobody has had any comment.
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Re:Sonar X1 - Where are we?
2011/07/02 03:57:36
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Wow! What a thread, it's an epic adventure of highs and lows, drama and comedy, a documentary, conspiracy/espionage thriller, musical and a science-fiction plot all rolled into one! As for little ole my opinion? I love it. Sure I've had a couple of minor bumps and bruises (mostly with VSTi plugins), nothing a backup didn't save, but all in all it's among the few software programs that I've purchased that I've had very little buyer's remorse afterwards. I feel bad for people having serious problems, I know how frustrating that can be, but in the interest of fair play I have to cast my vote for X1: The Greatest Thing Since Sliced Bread! 
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Re:Sonar X1 - Where are we?
2011/07/02 05:13:07
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Brandon Ryan [Cakewalk
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But it does work right - more-so than ever now. I and many people I know are happily making music with it (not to mention many on this very forum). That's the reality - as I see it anyway.
I plan on spending a good portion of this weekend in fact gleefully making music with X1.
(and don't' get me wrong...I think everyone knows I'm not saying that it's perfect in every way blah blah etc. I'm just saying...well you know...)
+1 I will do final Mixing and producing this weekend too on a BillBoard Track with SONAR X1 Producer.  SONAR X1 are not for the beginners level...Its a professional DAW even though its not hard for any beginner to get going with it. People that doens't get how to use and work with it either haven't read the manual or check all the online help videos or they must have just basicly incompentence? Either way, all this professionals DAW work just fine for me and plus all thousands of else Producers and Songwriters that use SONAR, Cubase, Logic and Samplitude... Best Regards Freddie
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Re:Sonar X1 - Where are we?
2011/07/02 05:16:32
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If anything is missing in SONAR X1 then it's VST 3 support. That would be great if Cakewalk want to add that on SONAR X1c Update!
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Re:Sonar X1 - Where are we?
2011/07/02 05:32:38
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and HUI protocol
and working track templates with routings without crash
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Re:Sonar X1 - Where are we?
2011/07/02 15:12:17
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and fixing bitbridge not working properly with Nexus² VST
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Re:Sonar X1 - Where are we?
2011/07/02 15:16:21
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jbridge works great with nexus
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Re:Sonar X1 - Where are we?
2011/07/02 17:56:31
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subtlhearts, I think you missed my point, even though I guess it does come off sounding negative and bashing maybe. I don't mean it to be. I really don't care all that much. I'm just simply curious why they just don't make something that works right (or, at least stop marketing it like it does.). Can't be that hard. But then, if some folks like it then so be it.
And, I didn't say "Cake's grand master plan is to try to make us dislike the program and switch to something else". That's a way overexageration of what I was trying to say. The main point here is I think, as I said earlier, that there is a balance between giving people what they want while always promising that more/better is right around the corner. Along with, basic broken promises that get attacked but then drift into the ether as other issues arise. Very similiar to the US government actually, but, I won't go there.
I don't need to try the program, based on what I've read from a lot of people I respect here and the specific issues they have pointed out. But, as I said, I don't really care for now. 8.53 works ok. In a few years X1 will probably be ready. It's been the same cycle so far. 6 to 8 versions before they get it right.
But it does work right - more-so than ever now. I and many people I know are happily making music with it (not to mention many on this very forum). That's the reality - as I see it anyway.
I plan on spending a good portion of this weekend in fact gleefully making music with X1.
(and don't' get me wrong...I think everyone knows I'm not saying that it's perfect in every way blah blah etc. I'm just saying...well you know...)
seeing brandon here on the forum again made me think "x1 cant be that bad.. let me give it a serious go again".. so ive worked on a few ideas here this entire evening.. had a couple of crashes.. right now as i am typing this, sonar is hanging, unable to open up a project that i worked on just moments ago. im guessing this one is lost forever as well. mostly cakewalks own vstis is all thats in the project... when i forcefully close sonar, it seems bitbridge is still hanging in there, so I suspect something is going on there.. kinda crappy since i was just about to export the idea to a collaborator to have a listen.. guess i will have to remake the idea in nuendo (again).
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Re:Sonar X1 - Where are we?
2011/07/02 19:00:00
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that sounds painful, and I'm sorry to hear it's not going well for you. It's hard to understand, there really has to be some system conflict or something in there, X1 is really stable here and for lots of other people - like, more stable than any DAW I've used. Just by way of comparison, I spent a couple of hours on a track tonight, dropping in instances of Z3TA+, Alchemy, String Studio and Kontakt, some automation and bus effects, a bit of tricky timing getting a percussion loop to sync with the lead arpeggiated synth... and I never had so much as a hiccup. X1 was rock-solid and smooth all the way to export, on a system that is probably below the minimum spec. Again, not to deny what you're going through, but that's not a normal scenario and I would hope tech support would be willing and able to try to sort it out with you.
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Re:Sonar X1 - Where are we?
2011/07/02 19:11:34
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Brandon Ryan [Cakewalk
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timidi
subtlhearts, I think you missed my point, even though I guess it does come off sounding negative and bashing maybe. I don't mean it to be. I really don't care all that much. I'm just simply curious why they just don't make something that works right (or, at least stop marketing it like it does.). Can't be that hard. But then, if some folks like it then so be it.
And, I didn't say "Cake's grand master plan is to try to make us dislike the program and switch to something else". That's a way overexageration of what I was trying to say. The main point here is I think, as I said earlier, that there is a balance between giving people what they want while always promising that more/better is right around the corner. Along with, basic broken promises that get attacked but then drift into the ether as other issues arise. Very similiar to the US government actually, but, I won't go there.
I don't need to try the program, based on what I've read from a lot of people I respect here and the specific issues they have pointed out. But, as I said, I don't really care for now. 8.53 works ok. In a few years X1 will probably be ready. It's been the same cycle so far. 6 to 8 versions before they get it right.
But it does work right - more-so than ever now. I and many people I know are happily making music with it (not to mention many on this very forum). That's the reality - as I see it anyway.
I plan on spending a good portion of this weekend in fact gleefully making music with X1.
(and don't' get me wrong...I think everyone knows I'm not saying that it's perfect in every way blah blah etc. I'm just saying...well you know...)
Hi Brandon... I'd expect that being part of the development team, of course you like it... You were part of the decision making in some manner... But for those of us who were not it's real hit and miss as Sonar is rapidly moving from a unique software to "one of the guys"... If it goes much more in this direction I'm guessing you will suddenly start losing many sales to PT because they're so similar and one is "the industry standard".... ;-( I can work in it, but I can't charge customers as it takes too long (comparatively) to get my work done... Everything slows down and there is no advantage as far as they're concerned... I'm gonna make it sound just as good whichever software I use... I'm using it too... but only so I don't fall behind if/when it becomes viable once again. I know there are many pro users very happy with it. Maybe it pleases them to have PT and claim they don't USE PT? ;-) Sorry... I'm ribbing you now... I still have faith (yes, even thru all my screaming here on the forum)... With a few things adjusted and a few more bugs fixed I may find myself happily back to where I already am in 8.5.3 (can we just call it NINE already?)... Mostly it's the (for me) dreaded event filter, the need to click twice to position the cursor and select the clip, and graphic issues so that I can see and reach more of my data/controls as I do in 8.5.3... then I can ignore everything else and go merrily on my way... I may even start using the ProChannel once I feel secure using X to begin with... Right now I need the security of being able to go back to 8.5.3 with no lost control/data so PC is out of the picture for a time... Too bad you didn't simply make it a bundled plugin... <sigh>... I hope you have a great weekend making music! Keni
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Re:Sonar X1 - Where are we?
2011/07/02 19:28:25
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subtlearts
that sounds painful, and I'm sorry to hear it's not going well for you. It's hard to understand, there really has to be some system conflict or something in there, X1 is really stable here and for lots of other people - like, more stable than any DAW I've used. Just by way of comparison, I spent a couple of hours on a track tonight, dropping in instances of Z3TA+, Alchemy, String Studio and Kontakt, some automation and bus effects, a bit of tricky timing getting a percussion loop to sync with the lead arpeggiated synth... and I never had so much as a hiccup. X1 was rock-solid and smooth all the way to export, on a system that is probably below the minimum spec.
Again, not to deny what you're going through, but that's not a normal scenario and I would hope tech support would be willing and able to try to sort it out with you.
i wish sonar was like that for me :) the biggest dissapointment for me was that i built this superdupercomputer when x1 came out thinking it would be my x1 supercomputer that would be capable of absolutely anything and that we would happily conquer the world together... or something. when i work in sonar i keep limiting the vst and effects i use to see if i can pinpoint what is happening, but it just seems random. im starting my biggest job ever late this summer/fall and it will go on til after newyear.. so I really really really hope x1c works so I can keep using sonar. if it doesn't, i will have to rely on nuendo again, (which is a fine program, dont get me wrong, but i would prefer to keep composing in sonar.)
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Re:Sonar X1 - Where are we?
2011/07/02 19:43:28
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lavoll - was 8.5.3 stable on the same system?
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Re:Sonar X1 - Where are we?
2011/07/02 20:18:33
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i never had 8.5.3 on this system. but it was stable on my old system. I built this new one thinking i would only have x1 on it.. but now i have x1, nuendo, vegas and some other stuff just to get work done :) but enough complaining.. my ukulele always works, time to practice :)
post edited by lavoll - 2011/07/02 20:20:22
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Re:Sonar X1 - Where are we?
2011/07/02 21:08:19
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It definitely sounds like you have some kind of hardware conflict. I built a brand new machine for X1 also and it runs great. This is the fastest most solid setup I have ever had. I have other issues with X1 but crashing isn't one. I would look into your build, From your specs you should be having no issues like this
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Re:Sonar X1 - Where are we?
2011/07/02 21:28:49
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It would be cool if we could have a user-controlled database, showing data for each user, their system specs and the bugs they are experiencing. I bet if enough people participated, we would begin to see a pattern of what works and what doesn't work with specific hardware/software components.
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Re:Sonar X1 - Where are we?
2011/07/03 00:07:17
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I built this new one thinking i would only have x1 on it.. Sandybridge? There's another user with a Sandybridge system that was working with development on some type of special fix for these new systems. I wish I could remember who it was and what his issues were... But I thought it would be worth mentioning just in case.
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Re:Sonar X1 - Where are we?
2011/07/03 00:13:08
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Leee
It would be cool if we could have a user-controlled database, showing data for each user, their system specs and the bugs they are experiencing. I bet if enough people participated, we would begin to see a pattern of what works and what doesn't work with specific hardware/software components.
That is a brilliant idea. And wouldn't bee to hard to setup online either, just a basic webhosting package running mySQL and people can add entries using a form and retrieve data in a similar fashion. Just make sure Cakewalk doesn't run it so they can't mess with the feedback...
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Re:Sonar X1 - Where are we?
2011/07/03 02:42:55
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lavoll
Brandon Ryan [Cakewalk
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timidi
subtlhearts, I think you missed my point, even though I guess it does come off sounding negative and bashing maybe. I don't mean it to be. I really don't care all that much. I'm just simply curious why they just don't make something that works right (or, at least stop marketing it like it does.). Can't be that hard. But then, if some folks like it then so be it.
And, I didn't say "Cake's grand master plan is to try to make us dislike the program and switch to something else". That's a way overexageration of what I was trying to say. The main point here is I think, as I said earlier, that there is a balance between giving people what they want while always promising that more/better is right around the corner. Along with, basic broken promises that get attacked but then drift into the ether as other issues arise. Very similiar to the US government actually, but, I won't go there.
I don't need to try the program, based on what I've read from a lot of people I respect here and the specific issues they have pointed out. But, as I said, I don't really care for now. 8.53 works ok. In a few years X1 will probably be ready. It's been the same cycle so far. 6 to 8 versions before they get it right.
But it does work right - more-so than ever now. I and many people I know are happily making music with it (not to mention many on this very forum). That's the reality - as I see it anyway.
I plan on spending a good portion of this weekend in fact gleefully making music with X1.
(and don't' get me wrong...I think everyone knows I'm not saying that it's perfect in every way blah blah etc. I'm just saying...well you know...)
seeing brandon here on the forum again made me think "x1 cant be that bad.. let me give it a serious go again".. so ive worked on a few ideas here this entire evening.. had a couple of crashes.. right now as i am typing this, sonar is hanging, unable to open up a project that i worked on just moments ago. im guessing this one is lost forever as well. mostly cakewalks own vstis is all thats in the project... when i forcefully close sonar, it seems bitbridge is still hanging in there, so I suspect something is going on there.. kinda crappy since i was just about to export the idea to a collaborator to have a listen.. guess i will have to remake the idea in nuendo (again).
Crappy? Best bitbridge on the market. You have clearly not tested the other DAWs bitbridge. Talk about Crappy!!!! I have no crashes at all...SONAR X1 stable as rock but then I use only 98.8% 64bit synths and plugins only. I never infect my 64bit system or Projects with any crappy 32bit code if don't need to. Don't blame SONAR X1 or any other DAW becuase your plugins fail both to be up-to-date 2011 in Native 64bit Format or just plain lack of stability. I think that's your main problem not SONAR. Best Ragards Freddie
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Re:Sonar X1 - Where are we?
2011/07/03 03:44:38
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stevec
I built this new one thinking i would only have x1 on it..
Sandybridge? There's another user with a Sandybridge system that was working with development on some type of special fix for these new systems. I wish I could remember who it was and what his issues were... But I thought it would be worth mentioning just in case.
That was me. Post 13 here: http://forum.cakewalk.com/tm.aspx?high=&m=2301149&mpage=1#2316904 X1c I'm sure will fix things but in the meantime if you've got a Sandy Bridge and Windows 7 64 bit SP1 you'll get weirdness on non-destructive clip fades in/out and audio processing/gain, and possibly in other areas I haven't yet found.
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Re:Sonar X1 - Where are we?
2011/07/03 07:49:23
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Wouldn't it have been cool if Cakewalk had really focused on the huge job of preparing to transition version 8.5 for the latest chips and software instead of wasting all that time trying to make SONAR look like it had a makeover.
I pay good money for that sort of service AND I have to wade throuh all the smoke and mirrors crap just to get access to the latest adaptations to the latest needs defined by hardware and OS evolution.
I'd much rather Cakewalk spend it's time making sure we can all get our work done rather than see Cakewalk cater to users who don't like to do much work.
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Re:Sonar X1 - Where are we?
2011/07/03 09:47:23
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I'm getting loads of work done, myself.
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Re:Sonar X1 - Where are we?
2011/07/03 09:54:30
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John T
I'm getting loads of work done, myself.
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Re:Sonar X1 - Where are we?
2011/07/03 10:17:18
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John T
I'm getting loads of work done, myself.
I believe you.
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Re:Sonar X1 - Where are we?
2011/07/03 10:29:20
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i think it might be the sonic transducers that are corrupting the hyperdrive. i'll program a GUI in visual basic to see if I can trap some IPs.
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Re:Sonar X1 - Where are we?
2011/07/03 11:27:26
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jbridge works great with nexus
That's good to know. Too bad Jbridge isn't included with Sonar. You would think they would want all VST's to be compatible with their software, and seeing how there are so many threads about Bitbridge hanging and causing trouble, you would think they would just include Jbridge instead of making their customers pay for functionality that should be there in the first place. Or maybe, update Bitbridge ... ?
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Re:Sonar X1 - Where are we?
2011/07/03 14:41:25
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I think we're getting to the point now, where almost all crashing that's not related to faulty hardware, comes from badly coded plugins. Even if they worked perfectly on Sonar 8.5, it doesn't mean they are programmed correctly according to VST standards. Don't underestimate the shoddy programming that happens out there.
I'm still using the 32bit version of X1, but on 64-bit Windows 7 and it's running excellently. As soon as I start going to 64-bit X1, some plugs give problems etc. All in all, I think the workflow in X1 is faster than 8.5 now that I'm used to it. The smart tool is far better than the old in the Piano Roll, envelope editing, once you're used to the new way, is far easier and faster.
Cakewalk needs to fix the Prochannel, and on my end (1920*1080 + 1280*1024 monitors) the GUI is TOO big. Especially the Console is just silly.....
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Re:Sonar X1 - Where are we?
2011/07/03 19:35:06
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I'm a relatively long time user (came in at SonarXL) and gothic.angel's comments ring very true to me. 8.5.3 is achingly close to my perfect DAW X1 is a long way off (and mostly because of a number of very small, apparently trivial, changes).
I can no longer percieve any real difference between Sonar and the bulk of the competition. The TV has been depreciated, the program is clearly designed to be used with a single large (widescreen) monitor rather than my 2 rather spanky, square, 19"ers (and I think this is the case with S1 and Reaper also), useful visual feedback has been mis-identified as 'clutter' and hidden. Changing the way the app looks, to suit the user's needs, now requires reaperesque levels of geekiness (no offence panup and benstat! ;-))
I agree with Mike about the PC, it should be a standalone plug not hardwired.
Once X1 gets customisable TV controls (content (including phase and interleave), colour and positioning) a sensible size FX bin (in the tv), the ability to set the width of the track name as wide as you like, and a three way option for envelopes to either work as per 8.5.3, with the new envelope filter and with lanes, I will rejoin the ranks of the faithful; for now I'm still out in the desert. :-( Child
+1 There are certain items I am holding out for with X1C or X2 before I replace 8.5.3. I would love to be using some of the enhancements that X1 brought to the table, but not at the cost of what was lost. I have also felt, as Gothic Angel has suggested, that many users who say X1 is so wonderful do not realize the loss of certain items from 8.5.3 because they never used them or fully learned the depths of 8.5.3. My own menus and toolbars in 8.5.3 are all customized to include much less clutter than X1. Just the things I need placed where I want. I could go on and on with the comparisons, but why... D.
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Re:Sonar X1 - Where are we?
2011/07/03 20:04:17
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jbridge works great with nexus
That's good to know. Too bad Jbridge isn't included with Sonar. You would think they would want all VST's to be compatible with their software, and seeing how there are so many threads about Bitbridge hanging and causing trouble, you would think they would just include Jbridge instead of making their customers pay for functionality that should be there in the first place. Or maybe, update Bitbridge ... ?
Yes but jBridge is directly supported by Sonar meaning it is far easier to use.
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Re:Sonar X1 - Where are we?
2011/07/04 17:19:58
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Rothchild
I'm a relatively long time user (came in at SonarXL) and gothic.angel's comments ring very true to me. 8.5.3 is achingly close to my perfect DAW X1 is a long way off (and mostly because of a number of very small, apparently trivial, changes).
I can no longer percieve any real difference between Sonar and the bulk of the competition. The TV has been depreciated, the program is clearly designed to be used with a single large (widescreen) monitor rather than my 2 rather spanky, square, 19"ers (and I think this is the case with S1 and Reaper also), useful visual feedback has been mis-identified as 'clutter' and hidden. Changing the way the app looks, to suit the user's needs, now requires reaperesque levels of geekiness (no offence panup and benstat! ;-))
I agree with Mike about the PC, it should be a standalone plug not hardwired.
Once X1 gets customisable TV controls (content (including phase and interleave), colour and positioning) a sensible size FX bin (in the tv), the ability to set the width of the track name as wide as you like, and a three way option for envelopes to either work as per 8.5.3, with the new envelope filter and with lanes, I will rejoin the ranks of the faithful; for now I'm still out in the desert. :-( Child
+1
There are certain items I am holding out for with X1C or X2 before I replace 8.5.3. I would love to be using some of the enhancements that X1 brought to the table, but not at the cost of what was lost.
I have also felt, as Gothic Angel has suggested, that many users who say X1 is so wonderful do not realize the loss of certain items from 8.5.3 because they never used them or fully learned the depths of 8.5.3. My own menus and toolbars in 8.5.3 are all customized to include much less clutter than X1. Just the things I need placed where I want. I could go on and on with the comparisons, but why...
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...yep.... thanks guys.... point being... some nice enhancements have been added with X1... but TOO MUCH has been lost from 8.5.3, to the point that SONAR "uniqueness" NO longer exists...... too much is lost... too much........................................ ...and, no matter how long we dance around it here, that is a fact.......................................................................... I believe even those at Cakewalk, by now, are aware of that.... all they should do is admit it and fix whatever deserves to be fixed...... give us (real) SONAR back.............................. Regards to everybody P.S: by the way, why on earth did they have to drop the best "logo" out there, making X1 still more anonymous than ever....?! It was part of SONAR identity, and identity is what makes anything unique........ 
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