Maximumpower Danny, I think your playing is excellent. Also, I am so impressed on how well the three tracks line up. I imported them all into Sonar and played them at the same time. Relative to me, your timing... well... you are a machine!!! You know, in the way I would say Neil Peart is a machine. ...I mean that as a compliment. I really enjoy your playing. I am choosing to be inspired and not depressed (in that I am a long way off). lol As far as the differences? I want to say I can hear a difference but I am going to listen (and enjoy) the samples some more times over the next day. Since I am playing all three in Sonar, does that invalidate the test? That is, if the DAW colors the sound? However, wouldn't it be additive and therefore still a valid test? Can a tool like SPAN help out here? Thanks for supplying the files and the entertainment. Now to work on getting better at guitar :-) P.S. I see you played this on a DC400. I just got my DC127 (with active electronics) this week :-)

 
Aww thanks man, much appreciated. I actually cringed when I re-listened to that today...lol...really hard on myself. You know how it goes...I try my best to always talk and walk when on the Sonar forum...so many guys hold it against ya if you don't deliver the goods. LOL! It scares me to even post anything on here..but I figured what the heck...I saw a bunch of people mention testing but didn't see any for myself so I threw a few up. :)
 
Yeah keep in mind of the possible differences...I think if I would have compressed the files it might not lead you to believe there are differences. What you may be hearing are different chord executions and dynamics. Sometimes I really nailed something, or voiced a chord differently...stuff like that can appear to make you think you are hearing something a bit different.
 
Personally, nothing in my opinion would invalidate the test as long as you play all three instances through the same DAW/media player. Everything played in Sonar or whatever other DAW you use is fine. Now, if by chance you do a test and play each file through another DAW and hear a difference, that raises a red flag to me and may be what is contributing to these anomalies people may be talking about. I played them through all the DAWS I recorded them through after I was done to see if anything lept out at me as being different. Of course unless I were to do what JohnT mentioned, I'd know for sure. And that is...run each one into a different DAW and then export out of that DAW labeling it with the name of that DAW in which it was exported from. Then you might be able to hear if a particular DAW is rendering files differently.
 
But I felt I got the same sound out of all of them and then exported the files out of the DAW they were created in. I've played them at the same time through Adobe Audition, WaveLab, Sound Forge, Sony CD Architect, Pro Tools (which I just tested....file created there sounds the same) and even Cubase. They all have the same sound to me. If there is something different, it's not an apparent difference.
 
I like to think I have a pretty good set of ears on me. I make my living on sound calls and have saved many engineers from death because they missed something. That said, I'm far from perfect...but have never had a problem realizing "something just sounds different". Whatever I hear as my source here, is what it sounds like after it's recorded.
 
Ah you got a 127? Awesome choice! Best of luck with it! I'll tell ya...I thank God every day when I think back on when I used to get their fliers in the mail all the time. One day I said "what the heck, let me try building one in their custom shop....they have a no qualms return policy...I'll just send it back if I hate it."
 
Well, my first DC 400 custom comes in....I ordered it with the Wilkinson trem...huge mistake. For the way I tune and play, it just couldn't hang with me. So I call Carvin, tell them about it, and they say "yeah, that trem probably won't work for you. Just send it back, give us an additional $200, and we'll build you another guitar with a Floyd...we'll have it to you in 8 weeks." I was like...are you serious?! Sure enough...8 weeks the new one came, and I've been buying them ever since. :) The last one I just got has active and passive with a push/pull volume knob. I absolutely love it so much...I bought another one. LOL! The thing I like about these guitars the most is...you get like every guitar you could want in one. Strat, Les Paul, Tele, and the Carvin sound with a nice neck with 24 frets. Pretty killer prices for a custom guitar as well. Best of luck with yours...enjoy it brother...and thanks again for the kind words.
 

DD's long lost brother Panu Danny,

I listened your samples with some random Fostex monitors (tried to be hobbyist!). I listened each sample several times but I they sounded the same. Every sample has excellent quality and any differences are inconsequential.

Your playing is awesome as always... Well defined and accurate yet relaxed and grooving.

 
Hi Panu, thanks for the kind words man. :) Thanks for my new mods as well...you're my hero! :)
 
Yeah, same on my end. Every DAW and monitor I've tried...they sound the same to me other than my little human inconsistencies.
 
If anyone is hearing any differences...do me a small favor...try compressing the files a little using your favorite compressor to keep the dynamics and execution a bit more sane. Just use like a 4:1 ratio and remove about -2dB of gain via threshold...see if it makes them a bit more consistent. Adjust attack and release to your taste. That's really the only thing I'm hearing...you know, hit something harder in one version than I did on the other...play a chord a bit more full in another version. But the tone qualities in my opinion, are all the same on my end.
 

bobguitkillerleft Seriously inspiring guitar playing Danny Danzi!

I'm too old to try to play that fast[single notes]so I concentrate on my feel,as you obviously do as well[mindblowing].

The three files I listened to in Windows Media Player,and they all sound identical on a quick raw listen.

Im a bit confused[and a bit thick] though[unusual?],did you re-play,and re-record the same piece three times so identically?

So just to be clear: DID you play the PIECE THREE SEPERATE TIMES????

If so, I'm floored,amazing,if not, I'm still floored amazing!

 
Thanks a lot Bob, I appreciate that. :) Ah you're never too old brother...it's usually the time we have to invest that makes it harder than actually pulling off the licks and messing with technique. You're probably married with a family, strenuous day job, right? I'm old...never married, just do music 24/7 and take care of my father...so I've been fortunate to put more time into things. When I did work a day job I had the best boss in the world that was behind me and my music. He let me get in early, get all my stuff done and let me go home early and paid me for the entire day. If it weren't for him, I probably wouldn't have amounted to anything...which is why I take care of my father....I owe him not only for bringing me into the world, but for being the best boss I ever had. LOL! :)
 
Yeah, as you found out...each piece was played 3 times individually. I figured that would be the best way to try each DAW and this way we could see how they recorded as well as how they exported. I felt if I would have just brought a clip into each DAW that was recorded in Sonar that it may depreciate what we were trying to accomplish here. I just hope that the test was enough to at least prove some sort of point that though there may be something weird going on for some that are claiming to hear these drastic differences, it's not been the case for me. That's another reason why I chose a below consumer card for the test. It also proves what I've been saying on here for years....when you can get a decent sound going in, though converters and all that stuff can make a difference, to me it's not enough of a difference to where that % of improvement is something we need to argue over. I could post up full pre-production songs that I did using Sonar and a Realtek soundcard. I'd not say it's major label quality, but I don't think anyone would complain about it. :) Thanks again!
 
-Danny

Hey Danny,awesome reply[as always!],Our situations are a teeny bit similar[?],I look after my dear old mother full time,and do music when I can.
I used to play with Aussie Rock/Punk Legend Spinoff Reformation band:"HITMEN DTK"who's lead guitar guy "CHRIS MASUAK" was in "RADIO BIRDMAN"[Mega Aussie PRE-Punk Legends],basically I was rhythm/lead[we did an alright "Don't Fear the Reaper"-"BOC"],and we toured maniacally from 87-92[website,if you can find it, lists me in-correctly as 91/92!]and I recorded on a handfull of songs[some didn't make the finals-lol].

My music taste's were a little more English/American/Australian Hard Rock,but when your hired to do a job[especially getting paid to play guitar,without lugging gear[!],free everything![sorta]you adapt,and don't push your personal taste's/agenda too much[depending of course].

The other crazy[very] fulltime tour/recording band was headed by singer/madman "RODDY RAY DA",who was most famous for starting aussie success darlings "THE HOODOO GURUS" and cult pre grunge/grunge- "THE SCIENTISTS",and a few others,...........don't sweat it,I would NOT be surprised[AT ALL] if you've NEVER heard of ANY of these people ,as it was Australian only,and was more RAMONES,rather than the DIXIE DREGS!

For a while there,it seemed Europe/US was next BUT....

All that carry on finished in 96,and until April last year I gave it up for crap job,after job,and until April 2011, I HAD NEVER TYPED OR USED A COMPUTER......EVER.

So Im just coming to grips with X1 NOW!,and I'm a little burn't ATM,but getting into it,as much as possible,with the gear below.

I too have used the 1/8th" Realtek IN, on my April 2011 XPS Laptop,and have been really surprised with the usability of the clips,for mostly[only?] clean tones[though I'm way impressed with your D.I. tone over mine.

Im rockin with SSD 4 and using EZ drummers MIDI file grooves[copied over to X1's browser-big accomplishment for me!] and although my first forays into digital[I once sold a song done on a 4track "cassette" Portastudio!!]are slow,I'm sure once I work out the simplest most difficult[why is it always like that?]things,I'd like to hear your opinion[quite a wayy off yet...so don't worry!]

Anyway,like possibly nearly ALL here,looking forward to your excellent posts.Cheers Robert[Bob]Sattler. 












  

As mentione above, Pan Laws (very interesting and good to know): http://www.harmonycentral.com/docs/DOC-1106

Could the OP please rename this thread to "The thread that refuses to die" - thanks.

It's a ZOMBIE thread!!!!

haha nice 

I'm going to start using old RAM. It's got more mojo than new RAM. 

Don't close this yet!  We haven't talked about earlobes!  The bigger they are, the more bass you hear or is it just the opposite!


I actually did learn from this thread but I am now with FBB at this point.  I also like Zombie Thread alot.

Rimshot

Which is bassier, Windows or Mac OS?

I think you could be on to something there....

Perhaps Sonar is made from a poorer quality of '1's & '0's. I think we have a right to know at least.

John T


Which is bassier, Windows or Mac OS?

I think you have to look at that in more complex terms than 'bassier' to come up with meaningful differencessszzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Has anyone tried listening to these tests with tin foil hats on?

I think that would help filter out some of the extra frequencies, ya know.... the ones that are mudding up people's mixes.

I think Cakewalk should include a roll of DIY tin foil. It could be used for baked goods as well.

John T


I'm going to start using old RAM. It's got more mojo than new RAM. 

I'm going back to knotted rope....

Turns out 1 + 1 really does equal 10, even on a frickin' Mac. 

I've noticed I get a much clearer high end since I got a three button mouse.