John T


Music made on Macs has more emotion in it. PC music is more cerebral.

Danny Danzi

Danny Danzi


Ok, this thread rocks first off....secondly, if we can all keep our cool during this, it may turn into one of the best threads ever. :) Third, I've heard about everyone doing tests yet I've yet to see anyone give us any files in this particular thread unless I've missed them. So, I did the files for you. I went into this as a basic, know nothing home recording guy. Forget all the science and all that stuff for a second unless you choose to allow it to make more of this than it is. Here it is...

Guitar Rig 4 using preset Twang Country and "small room" for the reverb. The verb was the only alteration in the preset.

Direct box right into my soundcard.

3 different popular DAWS used, one of course is Sonar X1.

3 different performances of the same thing played in each DAW individually and exported out of that DAW.

All files recorded and exported at as close to -3dB as possible at 140 BPM using each DAW's metronome.

All recorded using the same front end...no eq's in any of the DAWS or my front end, no compression....Guitar Rig 4 straight in.

I purposely used a guitar with dead strings (6 weeks on them)

Carvin DC 400 DD Custom using single coil split humbucker using Carvin active electronics. Active eq's centered/not used. Bridge pup used.

16/44 waves, no bells and whistles, no 64 bit software, no 64 bit mix engine, no floating points....straight in, DAW for DAW. You guys can do your own tests and draw your own conclusions. 

I just played a little riff here showing some chords as well as a little lead riff opening. I'll share which DAWS were used in a few days as well as what front end and sound card was used.

Now, before someone starts saying "yeah, but what soundcard did you use" and "well, it's not 24/48 with 32 bit float...and it's not using Sonar 64 with the 64 bit mix engine....and what pre did you use and...and...you're not going to notice because of...." What do your ears tell you in this simple test? Other than sometimes I hit certain chords/riffs harder than others, if there are differences, they aren't apparent enough to make a stink about in my opinion. I'm sure some people are noticing something somewhere...but I'm not on this end in this test. I'll leave it at that for now.

Here are the files: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4909348/DANNYTEST.ZIP

-Danny

For those of you who may have missed my post here because it got buried in the replies (this thread has been moving pretty quick lol) I'm just bumping this part in case you want to mess with my files.
 
Also, now that there haven't been many posts since I last checked the thread, I'll give you some info on the stuff I used for my test.
 
My guitar pre-amp while in bypass mode, is an awesome DI with XLR outs. When bypassed, there is no signal coloration and I've compared it with an actual DI box....no differences that I can pick up on. I also wanted to make double sure there was no additional processing going on even while bypassed so I created a blank patch that had nothing going on in it. But honest, when you hit bypass on this thing....everything dies the way it should.
 
From there I ran the 2 XLR outs into a Mackie 32x8 console. Both eq's on the channels bypassed, board pre's not even needed so they were totally counter-clockwise/off. Faders at unity. One of my master out's of the console into a Realtek HD 1/8 line-in to my Dell Inspiron internet box. I seriously wanted to keep this as "consumer" and basic as possible which is why I used this particular set-up.
 
The DAW's were:
 
Danny1- Studio One 2
Danny2- Sonar X1d
Danny3- Reaper
 
-Danny

bobguitkillerleft


Ok?

Humour us,whats the deal with 42?

Seriously,[If at all possible?]

Anway,whatever happened to the OP?

Albeton forum maybe?

4 questions and NO answers,for sure.

END OF "SOUND QUALITY OF SONAR X1" THREAD.

WINYARDPRODUCTIONS


Been on-board with Cakewalk since Version 3 and have used many other software programs. I've pretty much given Cakewalk the flick, too much BS.  Upgraded to X1 with the promise of Win XP support, BS again, after weeks of wrangling with Cakewalk support over Win XP compatibility, they finally gave in and accepted that in 'my case' it wasn't going to work.
 
So now I have Sonar 8.5 installed in my studio PC and run X1 on a Sony laptop/notebook. Truth is I don't use Sonar all that much anymore. It's just a bitter pill to swallow every damn time something goes wrong. The thing that gets me fired up about all this is that whilst other programs installed on my PC are running perfectly, Sonar isn't and then it seems that it's everything but Sonar, it's hardware or have you got the latest upgrade?
 
Seriously, an upgrade should be an improvement on a stable software release not a bug fix with additional problems. What's the point of entertaining the thought of Sound when there's so much more required to actually match the stability that other software companies have had for years? 
I haven't been to this forum for ages and I thought it would be interesting read about the Sonar X1 experiences people are having and as I have seen it's the same old issues, problems with bugs, outcomes, and frustrations. 
 
Just bloody sad.  Cakewalk need to wake-up,  I've paid them 100's $$$ over the years and for what? 
 
Ah, well,  at least Sonar 8.5 works fairly consistently, when I use it?

Update to Windows 7 x64bit and you will see it will fly.

SteveStrummerUK

FastBikerBoy


..... I'd probably wet myself with excitement if I used proper software.

 
He he, you might even fall off that bike of yours...
 
 
Then you'd only be a SlowLimpingFanBoy
 
 

strikinglyhandsome1


You do use proper software. Behind close doors we know you switch on other DAWs. Say one thing in public and do another in private. You disgust me. I noticed on other forums your name is SoNotaSonarUser. What a giveaway.

John T


Also, Sonar works fine in XP, and Cakewalk officially support it. 

I'm impressed that this thread is evolving into a general purpose misinformation thread. I've been wondering where to post my guide to planting cheese trees.