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RE: Where are the forum moderators? 2008/02/16 19:29:01 (permalink)
This thread in and of itself is reason to not call for any higher level of moderation. We have a great capability to colectively police this site . Thank you Susan for your contribution once again.

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RE: Where are the forum moderators? 2008/02/16 19:31:27 (permalink)
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well i dont like that cover either but it doesnt remind me an 14 year old girl...i think it looks more like some hippie woman - and yes there are breasts there but the whole picture isn´t anyhow sexual.(there are 2500 old greek paintings that are more vulgar) ..since i am european i find it a bit strange how americans ( and pleeeease dont get me wrong . i dont wanna be polemic) are so ambivalent to the whole nudity and vulgarity issue...
as american culture is transported to europe it just looks like there are only extremes: american pornindustry / guns / gangs / and on the other hand people who are extremely conservative...as far as i am concerned i can live with "almost" everything that does not restrict my own liberty - and deviant behaviour of others doesnt influence my personality...

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PS: really no us vs. eu intended :-)



Tom, I apologise, I got it all wrong - the 'hippy woman' was 11 when that picture was taken and she was chosen in place of her older [14] sister.

BTW it's not Europe v US here, I'm from the UK and greek paintings may or may not be relevant but you'll be pleased to know her fee for a topless shoot was a new horse.

Story of the origins of the Blind Faith album cover, from Bob Seidemann's (photographer of the album cover artwork) perspective:

I could not get my hands on the image until out of the mist a concept began to emerge. To symbolize the achievement of human creativity and its expression through technology a space ship was the material object. To carry this new spore into the universe innocence would be the ideal bearer, a young girl, a girl as young as Shakespeare's Juliet. The space ship would be the fruit of the tree of knowledge and the girl, the fruit of the tree of life.


The space ship could be made by Mick Milligan, a jeweler at the Royal College of Art. The girl was another matter. If she were too old it would be cheesecake, too young and it would be nothing. It was the beginning of the transition from girl to woman, that is what I was after. That temporal point, that singular flare of radiant innocence. Where is that girl?


I was riding the London Tube on the way to Stigwood's office to expose Clapton's management to this revelation when the subway doors opened and she stepped into the car. She was wearing a school uniform, plaid skirt, blue blazer, white socks and ball point pen drawings on her hands. It was as though the air began to crackle with an electrostatic charge. She was buoyant and fresh as the morning air.


I must have looked like something out of Dickens. Somewhere between Fagan, Quasimodo, Albert Einstein and John the Baptist. The car was full of passengers. I approached her and said that I would like her to pose for a record cover for Eric Clapton's new band. Everyone in the car tensed up.


She said, "Do I have to take off my clothes?" My answer was yes. I gave her my card and begged her to call. I would have to ask her parent's consent if she agreed. When I got to Stigwood's office I called the flat and said that if this girl called not to let her off the phone without getting her phone number. When I returned she had called and left her number.


Stanley Mouse (Miller), my close friend and one of the five originators of psychedelic art in San Francisco was holed up at the flat. He helped me make a layout and we headed out to meet with the girl's parents. It was a Mayfair address. This was a swank part of town, class in the English sense of the word.


Mouse and I made our presentation, I told my story, the parents agreed. The girl on the tube train would not be the one, she was shy, she had just passed the point of complete innocence and could not pose. Her younger sister had been saying the whole time, "Oh Mommy, Mommy, I want to do it, I want to do it." She was glorious sunshine. Botticelli's angel, the picture of innocence, a face which in a brief time could launch a thousand space ships.


We asked her what her fee should be for modeling, she said a young horse. Stigwood bought one for her. I called the image "Blind Faith" and Clapton made that the name of the band. When the cover was shown in the trades it hit the market like a runaway train, causing a storm of controversy. At one point the record company considered not releasing the cover at all. It was Eric Clapton who fought for it. It was Eric who elected to not print the name of the band on the cover. This had never been done before. The name was printed on the wrapper, when the wrapper came off, so did the type.


This was an image created out of ferment and storm, out of revolution and chaos. It was an image in the mind of one who strove for that moment of glory, that blinding flash of singular inspiration. To etch an image on a stone in our cultural wall with the hope that the wall will last. To say with his heart and his eyes, at a time when it mattered, this is what I feel. It was created out of and a wish for a new beginning. It was created out of hope and a wish for a new beginning. Innocence propelled by BLIND FAITH.



Sounds a bit sick if you ask me - at least I'm glad it doesn't affect your life.

Steve
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RE: Where are the forum moderators? 2008/02/16 19:34:10 (permalink)
This thread in and of itself is reason to not call for any higher level of moderation. We have a great capability to colectively police this site . Thank you Susan for your contribution once again.

I don't even know if you mean that ironically or not at this point, but thanks!

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RE: Where are the forum moderators? 2008/02/16 19:35:29 (permalink)
Hi Wiz-

Yes, I've done that, and will continue to.

Thanks-

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RE: Where are the forum moderators? 2008/02/16 19:40:28 (permalink)
Im fully in line with the self policing line here, It's half midnight here in the UK, I have just shed a tear tonight watching the DVD of the film Control, about the short life of Ian Curtis of Joy Division, now I sit with a glass of wine one hour later on this thread, laughing at my Bonzo Dog Doo Dah Band "Keynsham" CD, we are capable of contradiction between our continents, our peers and even within ourselves, when we contridict ourselves we are human, and become capable of expressing the art within us to enlighten our fellow life travellers. I like this thread, thank you Susan G for bringing it up.

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RE: Where are the forum moderators? 2008/02/16 19:50:24 (permalink)
hopefully you were not expecting me to know this story ... and its not europe vs uk either....its no one vs. no one actually.

just from looking at the cover it could be also an 30 year old anorectic model like kate moss - thats what i wanted to express....since unfortunatley we get spammed with all kind of nudity all the day by almost all media i just wonder how you can pass any kiosk in england when the daily mirror shows more nude girls than news

and btw as loong as 10 year old children have to manufacture nike shoes for a buck a day in asia - the horse was a great deal for her ....


greetz





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RE: Where are the forum moderators? 2008/02/16 20:00:16 (permalink)
Point taken Tom, I know what you are saying.

My original post was on-topic and I mentioned an obscene avatar - if you don't know the story that's fair enough but I'm assuming the member who uses it does.

I'm still with Susan, the TOS states quite clearly:

Adult Content
We encourage users of all age groups and beliefs so please keep any images in the PG-13 category or they will be deleted, and the user warned.


Profanity
We encourage users of all age groups and beliefs, so please refrain from using offensive language.

What’s acceptable? If it’s a word you hear on primetime network TV, it’s probably acceptable.


Questionable Content
These are public forums and we ask that you behave as you would if you were in a public place.


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RE: Where are the forum moderators? 2008/02/16 20:01:48 (permalink)

i just wonder how you can pass any kiosk in england


I am used to people passing me....

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RE: Where are the forum moderators? 2008/02/16 20:04:16 (permalink)
never read them actually - but seems no problem for me to stick to them...


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RE: Where are the forum moderators? 2008/02/16 20:07:23 (permalink)
i was already thinking of posting to you because of that :-) but then i thought about how many people might already have made jokes about this maybe uncommon name...

btw... you lucky one - you can have a sneak preview of all that filth for free - every day - hahaha!!!

chers




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RE: Where are the forum moderators? 2008/02/16 20:08:28 (permalink)

ORIGINAL: stubbsy1960


i just wonder how you can pass any kiosk in england


I am used to people passing me....

Garry Kiosk


I might just make the 93 mile journey to pass you Garry - but not now, too late [on this forum, your a next door neighbour!!]

Don't even buy the mirror.

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RE: Where are the forum moderators? 2008/02/16 20:18:58 (permalink)

I might just make the 93 mile journey to pass you Garry - but not now, too late [on this forum, your a next door neighbour!!]

Don't even buy the mirror.

Steve



93 miles huh Steve? I've got the map and compass out as we speak....

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RE: Where are the forum moderators? 2008/02/16 20:22:35 (permalink)

ORIGINAL: Susan G
I'm uncomfortable clicking on the SONAR forum page these days, what with the avatars, the "Itchy and Scratchy Show" and the veiled, "wink-wink" vulgarities.


What avitars are offensive? What are you talking about?

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RE: Where are the forum moderators? 2008/02/16 20:24:22 (permalink)
Oh you mean that nude/topless chick? Yeah, I was pretty offended by that too!

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RE: Where are the forum moderators? 2008/02/16 20:24:37 (permalink)

ORIGINAL: stubbsy1960


I might just make the 93 mile journey to pass you Garry - but not now, too late [on this forum, your a next door neighbour!!]

Don't even buy the mirror.

Steve



93 miles huh Steve? I've got the map and compass out as we speak....

Garry Kiosk



LOL - look west to Worcester!

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RE: Where are the forum moderators? 2008/02/16 20:29:19 (permalink)
Unfortunately, in an Internet forum, such as this, you have to expect a bit of anarchy. Just like we try to refrain from trashing newbies who ask questions that have already been asked, we should try to refrain from nudity in avatars or off-color remarks. However, if I read something and I don't like it... I stop reading it and move on...

I have noticed that there are some obvious "drunk posts" around here too! That is, posts that make little sense with loads of spelling errors (no I'm not picking on CJ here... LOL). Maybe we should take BAC tests before we're allowed to post...

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RE: Where are the forum moderators? 2008/02/16 20:33:47 (permalink)
I'm not as think as you drunk I am...

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RE: Where are the forum moderators? 2008/02/16 20:45:27 (permalink)
Sorry to be so blunt, but Susan, this thread is OT and also against the TOS.

Life is offensive; get over it. Learn to ignore or brush off opinions and comments that don't agree with you. It seems you post an OT thread like this every few months or at least twice a year, moaning about how things are on this board.

I find that offensive.

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RE: Where are the forum moderators? 2008/02/16 20:46:12 (permalink)


quote:

ORIGINAL: stubbsy1960

quote:


I might just make the 93 mile journey to pass you Garry - but not now, too late [on this forum, your a next door neighbour!!]

Don't even buy the mirror.

Steve



93 miles huh Steve? I've got the map and compass out as we speak....

Garry Kiosk



LOL - look west to Worcester!

Steve



Thanks Steve, that saves me a ground search of 27172 square miles if I remember my geometry correctly - area= pi * radius squared

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RE: Where are the forum moderators? 2008/02/16 21:08:44 (permalink)
I also agree with Susan.

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RE: Where are the forum moderators? 2008/02/16 21:34:10 (permalink)
I hope the forum moderators will step up and ban the people that keep creating threads like this.

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RE: Where are the forum moderators? 2008/02/16 21:47:53 (permalink)
I suppose we all have our good days, our bad days and our very naughty days (all those hormones going wild). Hey! We aren't robots with the pleasure dial turned up on full bore,,,, oh zippidee doo dah,,, zippidee yay,,,, my oh my what a wonderful day

The staff will continue to run this forum the way they see fit afterall there are report and block-user links and if that doesn't suffice then don't open the thread and add more fire to the flame or start negative controversial topics just to get attention at the expense of provoking personal conflicts that has absolutely nothing to do with Sonar.
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RE: Where are the forum moderators? 2008/02/16 22:07:56 (permalink)
We must ban obnoxious avatars now!!!

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RE: Where are the forum moderators? 2008/02/16 22:19:47 (permalink)
Look, if you don't like my avatar just say so.

ORIGINAL: Susan G

Hello Cakewalk-

I hope the forum moderators will step up and do something. Please enforce your own rules about avatars and language, at least, since these forums are open to all.

Thanks-

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RE: Where are the forum moderators? 2008/02/16 22:23:36 (permalink)
I'm not as am as you drunk I think

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RE: Where are the forum moderators? 2008/02/16 22:50:30 (permalink)

ORIGINAL: Dr. Mac

I have noticed that there are some obvious "drunk posts" around here too! That is, posts that make little sense with loads of spelling errors (no I'm not picking on CJ here... LOL). Maybe we should take BAC tests before we're allowed to post...


Yeah - maybe we should all install one of those things that chronic DUI people have in thier cars. Then we'd have to breath into that hose before we could log on.

I think we need more females too. It shouldn't be this way, but in my experience guys tend to behave themsleves more when there are females around.

And of course the irony for me when I see guys that have young, half-naked girls in their avatars, I know that is a guy that probably needs to turn his computer off and go actually spend some time with a real, honest-to-god, flesh and blood, non-electronically reproduced, female.

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RE: Where are the forum moderators? 2008/02/16 22:53:25 (permalink)

ORIGINAL: noldar12

I also agree with Susan.

I can't agree with anyone because I am disagreeable!

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RE: Where are the forum moderators? 2008/02/16 22:59:24 (permalink)
Normally, the higher I get, the more disagreeable I get, I think it's called irritable bowl syndrome… NOW WHERE DID I PUT THAT THING DOWN!!??

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RE: Where are the forum moderators? 2008/02/16 23:08:34 (permalink)

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We must ban obnoxious avatars now!!!



I totally agree with you man. This forum needs more avatars like yours, definitely.
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RE: Where are the forum moderators? 2008/02/16 23:10:34 (permalink)

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ORIGINAL: vomit

We must ban obnoxious avatars now!!!



I totally agree with you man. This forum needs more avatars like yours, definitely.



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