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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7? 2015/08/25 03:37:45 (permalink)
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I'm on build 10525 which provides a look at some color customization abilities, so hang tight, it's coming to an update near you.
 

 
 

 
When you say hang tight are you talking about the upgrade only ? or are you also giving the folks in the middle of your desktop picture a pep talk on how to climb  
 
 
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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7? 2015/08/25 11:27:28 (permalink)
During the past two years I have replaced or upgraded 20+ computers for clients, to 8 and then 8.1, and then 8.1.1.
 
None of these clients will be installing 10 for at least a year. More likely 2 to 5 years, when they think 10 has matured.  And they may need to add computers. Or replaced broken.
 
Why? Because they are businesses and they do not want to incur the costs of an upgrade process if they can avoid it.
 
These are businesses: No face book, amazon readers, store games, live tiles,....   None of that stuff.
 
I configure all 8 computers to avoid the START WALL stupidity. All files are opened with desktop applications not metro/modern apps.
 
I replaced XP, and Vista based computers. The 7 based computers were upgraded because the client thinks having the latest stuff will attract the type of employees he is interested in. It does not seem to have done so. And a couple of the 8.1 problems (eg dropping wireless connections) have been more than annoying.
 
The main reason 8 got pooped on was it was not ready. The MS dudes should have NOT thought the 1,000,000,000 desktop computers on the planet would be suddenly replaced with small touchscreen tablets. That was, and still is, a way stupid idea. They should have waited another couple of years, introducing new features with 7 and then released an 8 similar to 10.
 
I have clients that are using 7 and want to move to 8 (8.1.1) now because it is mature, but are not interested in 10, which they think needs to age for a couple of years. Especially with the auto-update problems. They cannot afford computers that are stuck in endless loops, or with monitors that will not display.
 
And the invasiveness of using an MS account, Hotmail, Skype, and Cortana: all of which automatically track location and as MS has stated, in the EULA, will provide data that WILL be indexed and searched at the discretion of the Overlords at MS. And will be subject to any NSA requests.
 
Popularity is not a measure of success. Number of items sold does not measure success.
 
This thinking is reflective of the iIdiocy propagated by the iMorons at iApple, that has resulted in mobs of stupid people lining up to pay initial retail, for something that does not matter, is often disruptive, and costs time and effort, reducing efficiency and effectiveness.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7? 2015/08/25 12:43:41 (permalink)
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Advertisers will also be glad you like cortana, because she's going to spread everything you do on your computer all over the internet.


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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7? 2015/08/25 13:58:45 (permalink)
For those who don't wish to upgrade to Windows 10, you need to stop Microsoft from "preparing" your computer for W10 against your will. It does this with sneaky updates, even if you have removed the "Get Windows 10" applet from your computer. This thread will tell you which updates to uninstall and prevent from installing:
 
http://www.sevenforums.co...ws-10-app-your-pc.html

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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7? 2015/08/25 14:50:19 (permalink)
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For those who don't wish to upgrade to Windows 10, you need to stop Microsoft from "preparing" your computer for W10 against your will. It does this with sneaky updates, even if you have removed the "Get Windows 10" applet from your computer. This thread will tell you which updates to uninstall and prevent from installing:
 
http://www.sevenforums.co...ws-10-app-your-pc.html


You need to opt in first. Not exactly sneaky. Still the applet is a PITA nag marketing. Best to remove it and download the windows 10 media when you need it.
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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7? 2015/08/25 14:53:26 (permalink) ☄ Helpfulby John 2015/08/25 19:12:43
The original question is, why upgrade to 10? To me that depends on the type of user you are.
 
There's a type of user for whom new technology, whether it's hardware or software, is not just another business activity, it's a major event. I call this kind of user The Enthusiast. Enthusiasts can't wait to get their hands on the latest shiny new gee-gaw, and spend hours poking around in and under the hood delightedly learning the fine new wrinkles the engineers have spun out of mere ideas.
 
To Enthusiasts, a new feature or a subtly wrought change to an existing capability is almost like a personal message from a software developer that says, "See how clever? See how elegant?" It's an appreciation of intellect, like a good story or a well-told joke, and provides more than sufficient motivation for the Enthusiast to adopt new technology long before more cautious users would consider such a move prudent. The Enthusiast is fully aware of the privacy considerations and the mandated update controversy and simply doesn't care.
 
These other users are more utilitarian in nature, and consider technology simply as a means to an end. Perhaps they run a business that depends upon a well-understood workflow with a stable infrastructure. Or perhaps they are by nature uninterested in the technological stories embraced by Enthusiasts. Whether or not they run a business, since they share the same mentality about technology, let's call them Businessmen.
 
Businessmen dread new software releases and question the value of every subtle deviation from the status quo and see these deviations, often correctly, as threats to their productivity. Sometimes Businessmen are simply not comfortable with technology in general, but often they are and are simply impatient with anything that impedes the accomplishment of The Mission (whatever that may be.) Pragmatism is the rule of the day for Businessmen. The privacy and updating issues are examined in the light of value received, and if the system provides enough value, these kinds of conditions are generally acceptable even if they are not terribly welcome.
 
To complete my gross over-simplification of the complex panoply of humanity that is the computer-using community, let's finally consider the Religionist. The Religionist views technology through an obscuring ideological haze that subtly alters the nature of reality. To the Religionist, the motive behind the production of technology is much more important than the actual technology.
 
Faced with an offering produced by talented engineers designed to delight their customers, they see an evil corporate plot cunningly crafted with the intent to enslave and deprive the masses of their... um, well, their whatever. Legitimate commerce is always seen as exploitation and enslavement, and the idea of consumer choice is considered a laughable charade to confuse the masses. This perspective is unassailable by any means currently known to man, however, it never prevents the Religionist from acquiring the latest technology, which they then commence complain about exhaustively. Religionists can often be recognized by the presence of a largely unused Linux distribution on a separate boot partition.
 
So, to the point of the thread, Why upgrade to Windows 10?
 
If you're an Enthusiast, the mere presence of Windows 10 is answer enough. You know what to do.
If you're a Businessman, the answer is, you probably shouldn't right now.
If you're a Religionist, the answer is to consider changing your medication.
 
Carry on.
 
 
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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7? 2015/08/25 14:55:40 (permalink)
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None of these clients will be installing 10 for at least a year. More likely 2 to 5 years, when they think 10 has matured.  And they may need to add computers. Or replaced broken.
 
Why? Because they are businesses and they do not want to incur the costs of an upgrade process if they can avoid it.


Over a year? They've lost the price of ten operating systems before they bat an eyelid unless they are on select or something. 11 months is easily enough for Win10 to mature IMHO.
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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7? 2015/08/25 14:58:54 (permalink)
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And the invasiveness of using an MS account, Hotmail, Skype, and Cortana: all of which automatically track location and as MS has stated, in the EULA, will provide data that WILL be indexed and searched at the discretion of the Overlords at MS. And will be subject to any NSA requests.
 
Popularity is not a measure of success. Number of items sold does not measure success.
 
This thinking is reflective of the iIdiocy propagated by the iMorons at iApple, that has resulted in mobs of stupid people lining up to pay initial retail, for something that does not matter, is often disruptive, and costs time and effort, reducing efficiency and effectiveness.



I should have expanded the categories in my previous post to include the Bitter IT Professional. 
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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7? 2015/08/25 15:01:07 (permalink)
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Popularity is not a measure of success. Number of items sold does not measure success.


What is it then? :)

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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7? 2015/08/25 15:02:44 (permalink)
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Popularity is not a measure of success. Number of items sold does not measure success.


What is it then? :)

Crap, you beat me to it.
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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7? 2015/08/25 15:03:03 (permalink)
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When you say hang tight are you talking about the upgrade only ? or are you also giving the folks in the middle of your desktop picture a pep talk on how to climb  
 
 
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Or jump ;)

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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7? 2015/08/25 15:04:32 (permalink)
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kevinwal
I'm on build 10525 which provides a look at some color customization abilities, so hang tight, it's coming to an update near you.
 

 
 

 
When you say hang tight are you talking about the upgrade only ? or are you also giving the folks in the middle of your desktop picture a pep talk on how to climb  
 
 
Kenny
 




Yes I am.
 
 
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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7? 2015/08/25 15:06:18 (permalink)
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Advertisers will also be glad you like cortana, because she's going to spread everything you do on your computer all over the internet.


At least the price of good porno may drop. Always a sunny side...

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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7? 2015/08/25 15:15:17 (permalink)
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The original question is, why upgrade to 10? To me that depends on the type of user you are.
 
There's a type of user for whom new technology, whether it's hardware or software, is not just another business activity, it's a major event. I call this kind of user The Enthusiast. Enthusiasts can't wait to get their hands on the latest shiny new gee-gaw, and spend hours poking around in and under the hood delightedly learning the fine new wrinkles the engineers have spun out of mere ideas.
 
To Enthusiasts, a new feature or a subtly wrought change to an existing capability is almost like a personal message from a software developer that says, "See how clever? See how elegant?" It's an appreciation of intellect, like a good story or a well-told joke, and provides more than sufficient motivation for the Enthusiast to adopt new technology long before more cautious users would consider such a move prudent. The Enthusiast is fully aware of the privacy considerations and the mandated update controversy and simply doesn't care.
 
These other users are more utilitarian in nature, and consider technology simply as a means to an end. Perhaps they run a business that depends upon a well-understood workflow with a stable infrastructure. Or perhaps they are by nature uninterested in the technological stories embraced by Enthusiasts. Whether or not they run a business, since they share the same mentality about technology, let's call them Businessmen.
 
Businessmen dread new software releases and question the value of every subtle deviation from the status quo and see these deviations, often correctly, as threats to their productivity. Sometimes Businessmen are simply not comfortable with technology in general, but often they are and are simply impatient with anything that impedes the accomplishment of The Mission (whatever that may be.) Pragmatism is the rule of the day for Businessmen. The privacy and updating issues are examined in the light of value received, and if the system provides enough value, these kinds of conditions are generally acceptable even if they are not terribly welcome.
 
To complete my gross over-simplification of the complex panoply of humanity that is the computer-using community, let's finally consider the Religionist. The Religionist views technology through an obscuring ideological haze that subtly alters the nature of reality. To the Religionist, the motive behind the production of technology is much more important than the actual technology.
 
Faced with an offering produced by talented engineers designed to delight their customers, they see an evil corporate plot cunningly crafted with the intent to enslave and deprive the masses of their... um, well, their whatever. Legitimate commerce is always seen as exploitation and enslavement, and the idea of consumer choice is considered a laughable charade to confuse the masses. This perspective is unassailable by any means currently known to man, however, it never prevents the Religionist from acquiring the latest technology, which they then commence complain about exhaustively. Religionists can often be recognized by the presence of a largely unused Linux distribution on a separate boot partition.
 
So, to the point of the thread, Why upgrade to Windows 10?
 
If you're an Enthusiast, the mere presence of Windows 10 is answer enough. You know what to do.
If you're a Businessman, the answer is, you probably shouldn't right now.
If you're a Religionist, the answer is to consider changing your medication.
 
Carry on.
 
 


What a load of insulting crap.

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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7? 2015/08/25 15:19:09 (permalink)
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kevinwal
The original question is, why upgrade to 10? To me that depends on the type of user you are.
 
There's a type of user for whom new technology, whether it's hardware or software, is not just another business activity, it's a major event. I call this kind of user The Enthusiast. Enthusiasts can't wait to get their hands on the latest shiny new gee-gaw, and spend hours poking around in and under the hood delightedly learning the fine new wrinkles the engineers have spun out of mere ideas.
 
 


What a load of insulting crap.



The intent was to be humorous and entertaining, sorry you did not find it to be so. Any resemblance to actual persons is entirely coincidental. And my use of a smiley absolves me of any guilt.
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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7? 2015/08/25 17:39:39 (permalink)
Sonar X was extremely popular by the measure of units sold. I am absolutely sure its unpopularity resulted in the significant reduction in sales of X2, and hence, the sale to Gibson.
 
 
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Surprised by your response, given it was a description of practical experience that reinforced your premises.
 
 
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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7? 2015/08/25 18:04:49 (permalink)
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The original question is, why upgrade to 10? To me that depends on the type of user you are.
 
There's a type of user for whom new technology, whether it's hardware or software, is not just another business activity, it's a major event. I call this kind of user The Enthusiast. Enthusiasts can't wait to get their hands on the latest shiny new gee-gaw, and spend hours poking around in and under the hood delightedly learning the fine new wrinkles the engineers have spun out of mere ideas.
 
To Enthusiasts, a new feature or a subtly wrought change to an existing capability is almost like a personal message from a software developer that says, "See how clever? See how elegant?" It's an appreciation of intellect, like a good story or a well-told joke, and provides more than sufficient motivation for the Enthusiast to adopt new technology long before more cautious users would consider such a move prudent. The Enthusiast is fully aware of the privacy considerations and the mandated update controversy and simply doesn't care.
 
These other users are more utilitarian in nature, and consider technology simply as a means to an end. Perhaps they run a business that depends upon a well-understood workflow with a stable infrastructure. Or perhaps they are by nature uninterested in the technological stories embraced by Enthusiasts. Whether or not they run a business, since they share the same mentality about technology, let's call them Businessmen.
 
Businessmen dread new software releases and question the value of every subtle deviation from the status quo and see these deviations, often correctly, as threats to their productivity. Sometimes Businessmen are simply not comfortable with technology in general, but often they are and are simply impatient with anything that impedes the accomplishment of The Mission (whatever that may be.) Pragmatism is the rule of the day for Businessmen. The privacy and updating issues are examined in the light of value received, and if the system provides enough value, these kinds of conditions are generally acceptable even if they are not terribly welcome.
 
To complete my gross over-simplification of the complex panoply of humanity that is the computer-using community, let's finally consider the Religionist. The Religionist views technology through an obscuring ideological haze that subtly alters the nature of reality. To the Religionist, the motive behind the production of technology is much more important than the actual technology.
 
Faced with an offering produced by talented engineers designed to delight their customers, they see an evil corporate plot cunningly crafted with the intent to enslave and deprive the masses of their... um, well, their whatever. Legitimate commerce is always seen as exploitation and enslavement, and the idea of consumer choice is considered a laughable charade to confuse the masses. This perspective is unassailable by any means currently known to man, however, it never prevents the Religionist from acquiring the latest technology, which they then commence complain about exhaustively. Religionists can often be recognized by the presence of a largely unused Linux distribution on a separate boot partition.
 
So, to the point of the thread, Why upgrade to Windows 10?
 
If you're an Enthusiast, the mere presence of Windows 10 is answer enough. You know what to do.
If you're a Businessman, the answer is, you probably shouldn't right now.
If you're a Religionist, the answer is to consider changing your medication.
 
Carry on.
 
 


I didn't see this before. I can't be sure I wouldn't be a little insulted by it if I hadn't read the comment on it and the response. I think after reading the whole thing it is a wonderful posting that if it doesn't make one smile one should reconsider allowing themselves to be out in public!
 
Nicely written and a thank you from me for writing so well. I think you captured it wonderfully.  

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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7? 2015/08/25 18:25:13 (permalink)
Speaking as a businessman, by the above definition, I'll throw in this caveat: The sad reality of my life is that I spend very little time gazing at a glorious sunset, or the blush on the cheek of a fair maiden, or an endless starry sky. But I DO spend an incredibly large amount of time looking at Microsoft bloody Windows. So the upgrade was worth it just for something marginally different to look at, as I grind through yet another 15 hour work day.
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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7? 2015/08/25 18:33:39 (permalink)
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kevinwal
The original question is, why upgrade to 10? To me that depends on the type of user you are.
 
There's a type of user for whom new technology, whether it's hardware or software, is not just another business activity, it's a major event. I call this kind of user The Enthusiast. Enthusiasts can't wait to get their hands on the latest shiny new gee-gaw, and spend hours poking around in and under the hood delightedly learning the fine new wrinkles the engineers have spun out of mere ideas.
 
To Enthusiasts, a new feature or a subtly wrought change to an existing capability is almost like a personal message from a software developer that says, "See how clever? See how elegant?" It's an appreciation of intellect, like a good story or a well-told joke, and provides more than sufficient motivation for the Enthusiast to adopt new technology long before more cautious users would consider such a move prudent. The Enthusiast is fully aware of the privacy considerations and the mandated update controversy and simply doesn't care.
 
These other users are more utilitarian in nature, and consider technology simply as a means to an end. Perhaps they run a business that depends upon a well-understood workflow with a stable infrastructure. Or perhaps they are by nature uninterested in the technological stories embraced by Enthusiasts. Whether or not they run a business, since they share the same mentality about technology, let's call them Businessmen.
 
Businessmen dread new software releases and question the value of every subtle deviation from the status quo and see these deviations, often correctly, as threats to their productivity. Sometimes Businessmen are simply not comfortable with technology in general, but often they are and are simply impatient with anything that impedes the accomplishment of The Mission (whatever that may be.) Pragmatism is the rule of the day for Businessmen. The privacy and updating issues are examined in the light of value received, and if the system provides enough value, these kinds of conditions are generally acceptable even if they are not terribly welcome.
 
To complete my gross over-simplification of the complex panoply of humanity that is the computer-using community, let's finally consider the Religionist. The Religionist views technology through an obscuring ideological haze that subtly alters the nature of reality. To the Religionist, the motive behind the production of technology is much more important than the actual technology.
 
Faced with an offering produced by talented engineers designed to delight their customers, they see an evil corporate plot cunningly crafted with the intent to enslave and deprive the masses of their... um, well, their whatever. Legitimate commerce is always seen as exploitation and enslavement, and the idea of consumer choice is considered a laughable charade to confuse the masses. This perspective is unassailable by any means currently known to man, however, it never prevents the Religionist from acquiring the latest technology, which they then commence complain about exhaustively. Religionists can often be recognized by the presence of a largely unused Linux distribution on a separate boot partition.
 
So, to the point of the thread, Why upgrade to Windows 10?
 
If you're an Enthusiast, the mere presence of Windows 10 is answer enough. You know what to do.
If you're a Businessman, the answer is, you probably shouldn't right now.
If you're a Religionist, the answer is to consider changing your medication.
 
Carry on.
 
 


What a load of insulting crap.




Insulted because you are in one of his fictional groups or left out?
Best post on this forum in a long time. Very well written.
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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7? 2015/08/25 18:34:35 (permalink)
Joking aside, I think caution is good. I'm a long standing Windows ninja with a 25 year background in video game development, have been building my own computers for a couple of decades, find this stuff interesting, did all my homework and research ahead of time, and only upgraded after I was convinced it was going to be unproblematic for me. So I think I'm about half-way between enthusiast and pragmatist on this stuff. 
 
If you're not interested in messing around with configuring PCs, I'd say this: I think Win 10 is good, and I think we're all going to end up there sooner or later, but there's no reason to rush it. You can let idiots like me kick the tyres for you first. There are still 11 months of the free upgrade offer to go, so no rush at all.

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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7? 2015/08/25 18:36:44 (permalink)
And of course, there are niggles, some substantial, some fairly frivolous, but it's amazing what can annoy you in the environment you work in all day. For myself, imma lose my mind if they don't make window title bars transparent soon, and that doesn't even matter for anything.
 

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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7? 2015/08/26 04:27:15 (permalink)
I'm certainly enjoying a lot of the fictional content of this thread .
 
 
never mind 
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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7? 2015/08/26 05:01:24 (permalink)
If I put out of my mind all that invasion of privacy and "big brother" stuff, I'm finding Windows 10 to be okay. In fact, I quite like it. I also thought that W7 and W8 was okay too. I loved XP at the time. But I never liked Vista for some reason...
 
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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7? 2015/08/26 05:48:19 (permalink)
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I upgraded 2 laptops and a test Desktop from Windows 7 to Windows 10, they are all back on Windows 7. I just don't like it at all. the looks are enough to make me make the switch back, hideous. Someone up top said that it looked or was more like Windows 7, well it ain't like no Windows 7 I have ever known. I didn't let it near my 2 music PC's, but I guess the time will come down the track away, where the choice will have to be made, I am happy to wait until that time when software or hardware requirements make the change necessary, but until then I am very happy with a rock solid, blazing fast Windows 7 (never really noticed any 'noticeable' speed up with Win 10 in any area)
 
One thing I will say though, is that the installation of Windows 10 went as smooth as, everything seemed to work fine, only the new Windows Edge browser seemed a little flaky, especially with these forums. The roll back to Windows 7 was also as smooth as, with zero issues since on all 3 systems. 
 
 
My beloved M-Audio Delta 1010 sound cards, of which I have 5 would most likely not work under Windows 10 anyway, there wasn't much luck under Win 8, and no hope for new drivers, and I don't really want to move on from them, certainly not to a USB/fire-wire alternative, and having 5 of them it will take some time for natural attrition to thin the herd, no doubt when that time comes I will kick myself for not moving on much sooner, but . . . they serve me well.
 
When the time comes to move on from Windows 7, I will be giving the Mac a serious look even if it means ditching Sonar, my other fav DAW, REAPER works fine on Mac, and I really do dislike Windows 10, even more than I do Apple. Hideous.
 
For my money, if you are happy with Windows 7, and it's working for you, stay put, by all means have a look at Windows 10 on another machine or whatever, then if you like it, that's up to you, but don't dive in head first with your main DAW machine, you may regret that :)




Your delta card will work on window 10. I have my old daw testing that with my old delta 66. Just install the newest drivers in compatibility mode for windows 8. You are correct the look is not completely like windows 7 the color schemes are different. The start button is there but behaves very differently. After messing with is a bit I have figured out how to configure the visible programs.
 
However the show all programs selection is crappy from my point of view because they are no longer sorted by the folders in the start menu everything is just alphabetic.
 
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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7? 2015/08/26 05:58:35 (permalink)
Hi, yes I have already cloned the System drive on one of  DAW PC's, then swapped out the drive and done the Windows 10 upgrade to test, and been running it for a few days now after reading a couple of reports of the 1010's working ok. The 1010's are fine, no problems at all. I'm going to keep testing it out as much as I can between now and over the weekend, but I'm sure everything will be fine, then I will most likely upgrade my other Main DAW PC. I have already put my 2 laptops and test PC back on Windows 10 after satisfactorily solving the issue I had with Windows 10 aesthetics. I'm actually quite liking it and enjoying it know that I can look at it 
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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7? 2015/08/26 06:19:27 (permalink)
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If I put out of my mind all that invasion of privacy and "big brother" stuff, I'm finding Windows 10 to be okay. In fact, I quite like it. I also thought that W7 and W8 was okay too. I loved XP at the time. But I never liked Vista for some reason...
 
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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7? 2015/08/26 06:48:41 (permalink)
I will probably switch when I reach the point that I stopped riding a horse into town. Lack of hitching posts and getting fined for my DAW crapping on the sidewalk.

"Big Brother" is more of a negative connotation, but in the vein of equal opportunity, "Big Caitlyn" would be kinda catchy. Would be rather fearsome to know "Big Caitlyn is watching you [insert vantage point here]."

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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7? 2015/08/26 07:42:49 (permalink)
I like Win 10 so far. The upgrade went very smoothly for me. I didn't like Metro one bit, but I like the Win 10 hybrid Start menu, which you can customize easily to be more like Win 7 or 8.1 or a combination. It's got some nice GUI touches, like the way it shows active apps on the taskbar, and it does boot a bit faster for me. All my hardware works fine. I did have to rescan plugins and of course I had to alert SONAR to the changes, since it didn't retain my device settings.
 
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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7? 2015/08/26 08:09:42 (permalink)
All this Big Bro fear mongering is quite amusing. OK so the big news today is AT&T was more than willing to help the NSA spy on us, but there is nothing to support MS was with them, quite the contrary as far as I can see.
 I truly believe all data W10 collects and sends back to the "Mothership" is for the proposes of improving W10 to work on such a wide variety of system configurations, and not to track our location and kill us.
 In fact they have done some EXCELLENT forward thinking work in improving lower latency and smaller buffering specifically designed to improve WDM audio and MIDI drivers to near ASIO latency in W10.
 That alone should be a good incentive to switch from W7 to W10, and I for one have been enjoying the experience of a more snappy and smoother work flow, even though I use and prefer ASIO drivers specifically designed for my audio interfaces. W10 has also improved upon "NOTICABLY" better CPU, memory, and storage control.
 I still have my Cloned WD VelociRaptor loaded and read to go with W7, but I fell confident within a month or so, it'll be reformatted and fitted into a USB 3 external housing for 10K rpm zoom ,ZOOM, ZOOM portability. :o)
 
 I'm also pleased to announce that I've dug out my old MIDI SPORT 8x8 and the version 6.1.3 drivers (released 12/1/14) installed correctly and it's up and running perfectly.

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Re: Win 10 - Why Leave Win 7? 2015/08/26 10:15:24 (permalink)
 
A good reference for increasing privacy: (Do not use an MS account to log in to YOUR computer.) http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/bitwise/2015/08/windows_10_privacy_problems_here_s_how_bad_they_are_and_how_to_plug_them.1.html
 
 
From the EULA and privacy policy:
 
“Microsoft collects information about you, your devices, applications and networks, and your use of those devices, applications and networks. Examples of data we collect include your name, email address, preferences and interests; browsing, search and file history; phone call and SMS data; device configuration and sensor data; and application usage.”
 
“We may collect information about your device and applications and use it for purposes such as determining or improving compatibility” and “use voice input features like speech-to-text, we may collect voice information and use it for purposes such as improving speech processing.”
 
“If you open a file, we may collect information about the file, the application used to open the file, and how long it takes any use [of]it for purposes such as improving performance, or [if you]enter text, we may collect typed characters, we may collect typed characters and use them for purposes such as improving autocomplete and spell check features.”
 
"Sometimes you’ll need software updates to keep using the Services. We may automatically check your version of the software and download software updates or configuration changes, including those that prevent you from accessing the Services, playing counterfeit games, or using unauthorized hardware peripheral devices. You may also be required to update the software to continue using the Services. Such updates are subject to these Terms unless other terms accompany the updates, in which case, those other terms apply. Microsoft isn’t obligated to make any updates available and we don’t guarantee that we will support the version of the system for which you licensed the software."
 
 
"Finally, we will access, disclose and preserve personal data, including your content (such as the content of your emails, other private communications or files in private folders), when we have a good faith belief that doing so is necessary to:
1. comply with applicable law or respond to valid legal process, including from law enforcement or other government agencies;
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(I think transparent title bars just increase clutter and thereby reduce efficiency.)
 
 
 
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