LaszloZoltan
I read a lot of "it's faster" - really ? how many seconds are we talking about ? faster boot ? ok, how many times per day do I boot ? am I really willing to put at stake everything I use for the sake of a few ...seconds ? I am not working some sweatshop assembly line where I have to crank out 200 pieces per hour or be taken out back with a bullet - I like a moment to contemplate things please.
 
just my 2 cents

When I first upgraded it seemed to be slower but after a couple of reboots it got faster somehow. The last time I 'timed' it (I don't remember the exact seconds but). On this laptop (specs below) I can go from power off to an open, working project in Platinum in a little less than 3 minutes. Windows 7 64 was slower by a good bit but I never timed it. The VST search thingy stays up a bit longer but the VSTs are there and I can in less than 3 minutes from a cold start be adding an instrument to a tack and have the GUI open. That works for me.
 
My only concern with putting W-10 on my DAW is that I currently am not online all the time and when I am it is to check CCC or third party sites for updates. I'm using an ASUS USB adapter right now to access my WIFI. Soon I will have it moved so I can use an Ethernet cable but I still may not keep it online all the time... so
My worry is that if I go online after a week or a month, how long is W-10 updates, that I cannot control, take to do their thing? That worries me. It seems fine on my laptop and right now I am trying to let it automatically do any update it wants to do and it's working fine.
I stopped worrying about security a few years ago, nothing is secure online. If they come get me... I'll be here.
 
J
 

michael diemer
Unfortunately, it's not just advertisers that cortana will be sharing your keystrokes with. there's also the intelligence-gathering agencies. Heck, the entire Military-Industrial complex will be keeping files on you. But hey, no worries, you’ll be doing your part to empower Big Business, Big Brother, etc. Once upon a time, using Microsoft products empowered the user. A different story now. Don't kid yourself.

In the 1960s, when I was a teenager I was into "shortwave radio" SWL. I routinely received packages from Peking, Moscow, Albania, Prague, East Germany, and even got issues of Pravda, in Russian (which I couldn't read). I'm sure with the political climate in the late 60s that they had a file on me but nothing ever came of it. You can either go completely off the grid or you will be watched... and even then there is facial recognition software and cameras everywhere, plate readers and unless your car has points, plugs, and a carburetor... someone is likely tracking it if they want to. The police are steps away from a device that will point, shoot, and kill the computer in your car and stop you.
I would not worry about it because there really isn't anything you can do about it except think you've done something and likely draw undue attention to yourself by appearing to trying to hide something.
The worst that is going to happen is the creepiness of having everything you take a look at on Sweetwater or Amazon show up in ads on other sites you look at.

michael diemer

komposer

michael diemer

kevinwal
The original question is, why upgrade to 10? To me that depends on the type of user you are.
 
There's a type of user for whom new technology, whether it's hardware or software, is not just another business activity, it's a major event. I call this kind of user The Enthusiast. Enthusiasts can't wait to get their hands on the latest shiny new gee-gaw, and spend hours poking around in and under the hood delightedly learning the fine new wrinkles the engineers have spun out of mere ideas.
 
To Enthusiasts, a new feature or a subtly wrought change to an existing capability is almost like a personal message from a software developer that says, "See how clever? See how elegant?" It's an appreciation of intellect, like a good story or a well-told joke, and provides more than sufficient motivation for the Enthusiast to adopt new technology long before more cautious users would consider such a move prudent. The Enthusiast is fully aware of the privacy considerations and the mandated update controversy and simply doesn't care.
 
These other users are more utilitarian in nature, and consider technology simply as a means to an end. Perhaps they run a business that depends upon a well-understood workflow with a stable infrastructure. Or perhaps they are by nature uninterested in the technological stories embraced by Enthusiasts. Whether or not they run a business, since they share the same mentality about technology, let's call them Businessmen.
 
Businessmen dread new software releases and question the value of every subtle deviation from the status quo and see these deviations, often correctly, as threats to their productivity. Sometimes Businessmen are simply not comfortable with technology in general, but often they are and are simply impatient with anything that impedes the accomplishment of The Mission (whatever that may be.) Pragmatism is the rule of the day for Businessmen. The privacy and updating issues are examined in the light of value received, and if the system provides enough value, these kinds of conditions are generally acceptable even if they are not terribly welcome.
 
To complete my gross over-simplification of the complex panoply of humanity that is the computer-using community, let's finally consider the Religionist. The Religionist views technology through an obscuring ideological haze that subtly alters the nature of reality. To the Religionist, the motive behind the production of technology is much more important than the actual technology.
 
Faced with an offering produced by talented engineers designed to delight their customers, they see an evil corporate plot cunningly crafted with the intent to enslave and deprive the masses of their... um, well, their whatever. Legitimate commerce is always seen as exploitation and enslavement, and the idea of consumer choice is considered a laughable charade to confuse the masses. This perspective is unassailable by any means currently known to man, however, it never prevents the Religionist from acquiring the latest technology, which they then commence complain about exhaustively. Religionists can often be recognized by the presence of a largely unused Linux distribution on a separate boot partition.
 
So, to the point of the thread, Why upgrade to Windows 10?
 
If you're an Enthusiast, the mere presence of Windows 10 is answer enough. You know what to do.
If you're a Businessman, the answer is, you probably shouldn't right now.
If you're a Religionist, the answer is to consider changing your medication.
 
Carry on.
 
 

What a load of insulting crap.

Insulted because you are in one of his fictional groups or left out?
Best post on this forum in a long time. Very well written.

Here's why it's insulting: He disagrees with my point of view, and rather than accept my right to my point of view, he has to create these artificial categories, so that anyone who disagrees with him can neatly be put into whichever category he "belongs." This is clearly an attempt to marginalize and even ridicule people who may present controversial viewpoints, and is therefore disrespectful, and, indeed, insulting. I'm surprised the moderator missed this.

People reflexively categorize. It allows us to create simplified abstractions that nonetheless retain enough useful  information to derive some value from the insights that result from the process. I think we all know people who would fit neatly into those abstractions; they wouldn't be useful if it weren't so. So I'm guilty as charged in that case. As far as your feelings of personal offense, I can't help that. I did not mention any specific person (abstractions, right?) nor did I have you in mind when I wrote it.
 
While that is all true, I've said before that it was not my intention to give offense. I sought to entertain and in that I've clearly failed for some. The mods may of course exercise their judgment in whatever way they deem appropriate with my full support.

Will this pointless thread continue until somebody gets banned. Paranoid discussion of non musical stuff doesn't belong here. I guess it doesn't help that a forum hostess is regularly involved.

kevinwal
Notice that there is nothing in the privacy policy that indicates that Microsoft will sell your data or share it with selected partners to offer you compelling products and services that you may find interesting.

OK Dr Paranoid but it's true,and not just win10,MS have had NSA links for some time, which they are not allowed to disclose. All of them reluctantly are at it (google, Apple etc) . Win10 is no difference from all the other OS's.

Like Outlook?
http://m.theregister.co.u...ion_backdoor_for_feds/

It's the same with printers. There is an embedded secret code for every piece of paper you print that ID's the actual printer.

Truth is stranger than fiction.

John
Please everyone this has been a very good thread without rancor. We can post our views without attacking anyone. 
 
Lets keep it that way. I would hate to lock this thread. 

I'll try to be good, I promise.

michael diemer
 
Here's why it's insulting: He disagrees with my point of view, and rather than accept my right to my point of view, he has to create these artificial categories, so that anyone who disagrees with him can neatly be put into whichever category he "belongs." This is clearly an attempt to marginalize and even ridicule people who may present controversial viewpoints, and is therefore disrespectful, and, indeed, insulting. I'm surprised the moderator missed this.

Ah, come on. He was making a joke. You're taking it far too seriously.

John
Hostess? 

Yes, you your highness. Why do you encourage this blather in the Sonar forum?

ampfixer

John
Hostess? 

Yes, you your highness. Why do you encourage this blather in the Sonar forum?

Its not that off topic considering Sonar has to run on something. As long as people keep their comments on the topic and not try to insult one another I see no reason to halt the discussion.
 
I am not a hostess. I am a host. It would be best to refer to me or any other host as such including the one female host. I am at a loss to understand your hostility here. 

Thanks for posting that link. This is a great post you share. Notable things in the new Microsoft EULA show no shame on Microsoft's part in committing the invasion of one's privacy and manipulating another's private property as it suits them. I can understand being cautious to prevent terrorism, saving a life/s by uncovering some conspiracy, or taking action to prevent other types of wicked acts, but lots of stuff stated in that new EULA is just plain uncalled for and intrusive! Who's gonna prosecute them for such intrusiveness? I'm just shaking my head in disapproval.  What is the world coming to?
 

YouDontHasToCallMeJohnson
 
A good reference for increasing privacy: (Do not use an MS account to log in to YOUR computer.) http://www.slate.com/articles/technology/bitwise/2015/08/windows_10_privacy_problems_here_s_how_bad_they_are_and_how_to_plug_them.1.html
 
 
From the EULA and privacy policy:
 
“Microsoft collects information about you, your devices, applications and networks, and your use of those devices, applications and networks. Examples of data we collect include your name, email address, preferences and interests; browsing, search and file history; phone call and SMS data; device configuration and sensor data; and application usage.”
 
“We may collect information about your device and applications and use it for purposes such as determining or improving compatibility” and “use voice input features like speech-to-text, we may collect voice information and use it for purposes such as improving speech processing.”
 
“If you open a file, we may collect information about the file, the application used to open the file, and how long it takes any use [of]it for purposes such as improving performance, or [if you]enter text, we may collect typed characters, we may collect typed characters and use them for purposes such as improving autocomplete and spell check features.”
 
"Sometimes you’ll need software updates to keep using the Services. We may automatically check your version of the software and download software updates or configuration changes, including those that prevent you from accessing the Services, playing counterfeit games, or using unauthorized hardware peripheral devices. You may also be required to update the software to continue using the Services. Such updates are subject to these Terms unless other terms accompany the updates, in which case, those other terms apply. Microsoft isn’t obligated to make any updates available and we don’t guarantee that we will support the version of the system for which you licensed the software."
 
 
"Finally, we will access, disclose and preserve personal data, including your content (such as the content of your emails, other private communications or files in private folders), when we have a good faith belief that doing so is necessary to:
1. comply with applicable law or respond to valid legal process, including from law enforcement or other government agencies;
2. protect our customers, for example to prevent spam or attempts to defraud users of the services, or to help prevent the loss of life or serious injury of anyone;
3. operate and maintain the security of our services, including to prevent or stop an attack on our computer systems or networks; or
4. protect the rights or property of Microsoft, including enforcing the terms governing the use of the services - however, if we receive information indicating that someone is using our services to traffic in stolen intellectual or physical property of Microsoft, we will not inspect a customer's private content ourselves, but we may refer the matter to law enforcement."
 
(I think transparent title bars just increase clutter and thereby reduce efficiency.)
 
 
 

I've been reading this thread and would like to share my experience with Windows 10 so far. It has been over two weeks now that I did the upgrade on both my internet and DAW computers. There have been several cumulative updates during this period without any trouble whatsoever.
After upgrading the DAW and letting it activate, I proceeded to do a clean fresh install using the ISO file I had burnt onto a DVD disc. My DAW is not as powerful compared to the systems some of you guys have. See my sig below that shows the specs for this self built computer. All drivers for the various hardware compatible with Windows 10 were successfully installed and functioning quite well. What amazed me though, is the performance of the updated driver for the Focusrite Scarlett USB2 audio interface. Playing full fledged mixes using the old audio drivers in ASIO mode with Sonar X3e in Windows 8.1, I had to up the buffer size to 23sec/1024smples to avoid pops, crackles, and audio engine stoppage. With the new updated audio driver in ASIO mode, these same mixes can be played with a buffer size of 1.5sec/64samples as smoothly as can be without any problems in Windows 10. I couldn't believe it. Hardly any extra work for the CPU as it remained relatively cool at 45 degrees/C at full load in a room without an air-conditioner at Summertime. Checked the mixes in Sonar's new demos - Artist and Platinum with the same results.
As for the Window 10 user interface, what can be customized, I have changed to my liking and am very pleased with it. I even bought a brand new 27" monitor for this upgrade. All-in-all, I'm happy with the upgrade on both computers despite all the talk of invasion of one's privacy and automatic updates. I have no intention of rolling back.     

On each install 3 in total it was instant.

Instant and seamless activation here too.
 

DeBro
I have no intention of rolling back.     

Ditto.

Just my take on this...
 
The software business is changing to more of a membership/subscription model.
If that helps with development/stability for these companies... we benefit.
 
In the world we live, there's a lot of "gray area".  
I guess you can choose to avoid it... or to navigate thru/around it.
The privacy issues with Win10 can and will be worked around.
With a USB WiFi adapter, it's quick/easy to connect/disconnect from the Internet.
This does't resolve all privacy issues... but it's a simple solution to prevent automatic-updates, etc.
 
As for having access to your personal data:
Jarrod the Subway spokesman gut busted for (horrible) things he shouldn't have been doing... and they grabbed a bunch of evidence off his computers.  They would have gotten that information regardless of platform/OS.
 
Fear or at least "distaste" of the unknown is somewhat human nature.
Remember Y2K?
Some thought the world would come to a grinding halt.
On Jan 1st 2000 at 12:01am... the Earth was still spinning and it was business-as-usual.
I suspect we'll make it thru Win10 and beyond.  
There will be "speed-bumps", "road-blocks", "annoyances", etc... but we'll move forward.
"Same as it ever was... same as it ever was..."
"Meet the new boss... same as the old boss..."
 
 

My experience is that Sonar seems to run a little more smoothly in Windows 10 compared to Windows 8.1.  But I've not used it extensively yet.  Still, no complaints from me so far.