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Re:when offering advice
2012/04/12 08:14:47
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SteveStrummerUK
Back on topic...
I've found that over the years I've always tried to go out of my way to help others if I can. The main reason is that when I first started out with Ckewalk's Guitar Tracks 2, the great and the good over in that forum seemed to always bend over backwards to help new posters. Nobody was belittled for their lack of knowledge, and answers always seemed to be well written and easy to understand.
The notion that everybody had to start sometime, and the maxim that no question is a silly question seemed to be very much the order of the day. I've also spent hours in one-to-one realtime threads where I've been walked through some technique or concept one step at a time - in particular, Bob (RobertB) and Del ('Doc' Hollingsworth) invested a lot of time in me. In return, I hope that I've repayed that debt by answering questions spending time with new members wherever I can.
And one of the tangible benefits of researching an answer for others has also been that I've often learned stuff in the process. That's a win-win in my book.
Well done Strummy keep up the good work. You are one of the top echelon of posters here in my book. I'm starting to think now that John has been right all the way through this thread and I perhaps need to apologise for any confusion or upset I may have caused along the way. So John I hope you accept my apology I guess it just took me awhile to see the wisdom in what you were saying. I'm a slow learner and can jump to the wrong conclusions in my haste.
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Re:when offering advice
2012/04/12 08:40:01
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SteveStrummerUK
Back on topic...
I've found that over the years I've always tried to go out of my way to help others if I can. The main reason is that when I first started out with Ckewalk's Guitar Tracks 2, the great and the good over in that forum seemed to always bend over backwards to help new posters. Nobody was belittled for their lack of knowledge, and answers always seemed to be well written and easy to understand.
The notion that everybody had to start sometime, and the maxim that no question is a silly question seemed to be very much the order of the day. I've also spent hours in one-to-one realtime threads where I've been walked through some technique or concept one step at a time - in particular, Bob (RobertB) and Del ('Doc' Hollingsworth) invested a lot of time in me. In return, I hope that I've repayed that debt by answering questions spending time with new members wherever I can.
And one of the tangible benefits of researching an answer for others has also been that I've often learned stuff in the process. That's a win-win in my book.
Spot on Steve, especially the closing paragraph.
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Re:when offering advice
2012/04/12 09:29:11
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One key component of any online community is that by nature anything one posts is peer reviewed by others. If it's stated as fact, you can bet that if your fact is seen as opinion others will let you know, if you state something based on opinion there will certainly be others that see it differently. Understand this simple reality and one tends to get in fewer internet fights or disputes. We are all entitled to our opinions but we have to accept that it's possible no one will agree with us. We can all state what we believe to be fact, but the community will judge if it's based on solid evidence and whether ones fact is simply opinion based on how that person understands it to be or if it's indeed fact based upon solid evidence. I think it's valid to state ones disagreement of others opinions, but do any of us really believe we are ever going to change a persons mind if they have already formed how they feel on something? Does it really matter that much to us that others see things the same way we do? When we continue to openly disagree all we are doing is trying to rally troops around our point of view, ultimately further dividing a community, which always seems to benefit no one, especially those just looking for solutions to valid problems. Some of those with the strongest of opinions can be the most helpful when providing support on a given problem when they focus on the fact based knowledge they have and leaving opinion based discussions to places and subjects that are clearly asking for opinion. Since this is has been an opinion based thread from the get go, it's pretty clear that it's an appropriate place for those that have aired various grievances, but it's possible all parties involved have simply hammered into reality the opposite reaction they desire as the outcome. It's always a good idea to look at what we post from the opposing viewpoint and to judge whether we are simply enforcing the others opinion, or are we strengthening ours. It's funny how sometimes all that is accomplished in a disagreement is the exact opposite of our intent. Feel free to comment, it's quite possible I'm naive and since this is simply opinion it's open to debate and in no way is it based in fact, just the observations of a third party with no dog in the fight. I still love this forum. Yes, even the Coffee House as it is clear what it's purpose is for and while I don't post there much, I certainly appreciate the option to if I wantedt to. It's good when forums have off topic sections where opinion based discussion can happen openly with the understanding that we are all entitled to our opinions on a huge variety of subject matter and if ever there was a place to have disagreements or opposing debate, it's probably the right place for them if the subject has little to do with whatever intention the parent forum was created for. All the best forums have off topic areas expressly designed for this purpose. As always, individual mileage may vary.
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Re:when offering advice
2012/04/12 09:33:48
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Re:when offering advice
2012/04/12 10:21:43
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Back off topic - 8 pages - I was right.
Well done. Thanks. +1.
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Re:when offering advice
2012/04/12 10:22:28
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In following this post from start to finish with several extremes in the middle I can only reach one conclusion. Some people came here with the intent to start trouble at the outset.
First , someone posts on getting advice about matters relating to Sonar,several posts later a person with a cat avatar(don't recall the name) inserts a post made by John regarding the CH. This person demands a response from John who is responding to the subject matter of the posts and tries to keep the post on the subject matter at hand.
This has no effect on the person who demands some kind of an answer and in effect tries to force a discussion on a separate post from another thread. I read John answering for his opinions on that thread and then several other posters from the CH seemingly appear from nowhere to address the post John was steered toward.
All comments from then on by those CH posters are either openly derogatory or insinuate some things as fact when they are indeed not factual.
The nature of the post by John that he was basically railroaded here in replying to has a lot of truth to it IMO. I have taken a liking to many of the posters there,but I was 10 a long time ago and that so called humor is a waste of my time. There HAVE been quality discussions on the CH and there HAVE been truly funny threads but lately two or three of the posters there literally ruin the whole experience for me,so I don't venture there as much any more. John has a valid point IMO.
This whole thing looks like some kind of an attempted Kamakazi attack from the CH who seem to have a few members with really thin skin. The fact that the subject was forced into this thread and the methods used validates at least a few of Johns claims in my book.
Like it or not John IS entitled to his opinions. You can hate that until you die and it won't change a thing. We are all entitled to comment on anything within the TOS and should not need to endure any disrespect for having our opinions. The blatent name calling and ugly comments from a few of you are what looses respect for the CH. If you want to be respected in the CH then it needs to be earned.
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Re:when offering advice
2012/04/12 10:29:48
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Re:when offering advice
2012/04/12 10:32:32
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John
Bub
John
You say what you have to say to make yourself feel like less of a piece of garbage ... but what you said is right there in black and white ... and you did in fact attack an entire forum of Cakewalk's most loyal customers and any inkling of respect I had for you as a contributor to this forum is completely gone now.
You're a troll and this forum is better without you than with you.
Bub.
You have been reported Bub.
Oh please sir....... that boy over there is calling me nasty names ! Grow up man! Sorry Strummy........as you were saying......
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Re:when offering advice
2012/04/12 10:34:44
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We are all entitled to comment on anything within the TOS and should not need to endure any disrespect for having our opinions. I get that happen all the time, I remember trying to get some facts cleared up from IK about an installer routine of theirs and somebody for no better reason than he didn't like the noise being associated with plug-ins he'd already bought had to chime in as if what I was asking wasn't valid. Remember him? I actually quoted a long post here from John saying that I agreed with the content of his particular post totally. I still stand by the comment than John singularly was the provider of more disinformation and unhelpful personal commentary on my arrival and since, often contradicting himself on subsequent posts, and John of all people here has been encouraging honest comment. I've also acknowledged that a proportion of what he is saying here is perfectly valid and relevant. He then started chanting that he'd been attacked when he'd invited opinion in the first place and then went on to accuse me of bullying and reminding everyone else he didn't have cause to defend an 'opinion' of his which was indeed clearly an attack. Trouble is many people choose to run with an idea that they 'think' is being said by somebody because of 'who' they think they are when they don't actually pay attention to the content at all. John and yourself are both guilty of that. IMO of course.
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Re:when offering advice
2012/04/12 10:34:54
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Yeah, I agree with Starise. John probably has a case to answer for that CH thread people keep bringing up, but people should either confine that argument - which is of ZERO interest to most of us - to the thread in question, or make a thread specifically for talking about it. Presuming to bang on about this topic - again, I stress, one which is of ZERO interest to most people here - in any thread they choose is just straight up vandalism.
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Re:when offering advice
2012/04/12 10:47:40
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which is of ZERO interest to most of us Absolutely agree, I just hope those unconcerned pass all this nonsense by without a second glance.
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Re:when offering advice
2012/04/12 10:50:24
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Jonbouy
We are all entitled to comment on anything within the TOS and should not need to endure any disrespect for having our opinions.
I get that happen all the time, I remember trying to get some facts cleared up from IK about an installer routine of theirs and somebody for no better reason than he didn't like the noise being associated with plug-ins he'd already bought had to chime in as if what I was asking wasn't valid.
Remember him?
I actually quoted a long post here from John saying that I agreed with the content of his particular post totally. I still stand by the comment than John singularly was the provider of more disinformation and unhelpful personal commentary on my arrival and since, often contradicting himself on subsequent posts, and John of all people here has been encouraging honest comment. I've also acknowledged that a proportion of what he is saying here is perfectly valid and relevant.
Trouble is many people choose to run with an idea that they 'think' is being said by somebody because of 'who' they think they are when they don't actually pay attention to the content at all. John and yourself are both guilty of that. IMO of course.
You are entitled to your opinions John. I have chosen not to precipitate this thing by telling all of our members what I think about some of the things you have done.
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Re:when offering advice
2012/04/12 10:51:25
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Starise
Jonbouy
We are all entitled to comment on anything within the TOS and should not need to endure any disrespect for having our opinions.
I get that happen all the time, I remember trying to get some facts cleared up from IK about an installer routine of theirs and somebody for no better reason than he didn't like the noise being associated with plug-ins he'd already bought had to chime in as if what I was asking wasn't valid.
Remember him?
I actually quoted a long post here from John saying that I agreed with the content of his particular post totally. I still stand by the comment than John singularly was the provider of more disinformation and unhelpful personal commentary on my arrival and since, often contradicting himself on subsequent posts, and John of all people here has been encouraging honest comment. I've also acknowledged that a proportion of what he is saying here is perfectly valid and relevant.
Trouble is many people choose to run with an idea that they 'think' is being said by somebody because of 'who' they think they are when they don't actually pay attention to the content at all. John and yourself are both guilty of that. IMO of course.
You are entitled to your opinions John. I have chosen not to precipitate this thing by telling all of our members what I think about some of the things you have done.
That's Jon to you and feel free. It's all out there and I have no problems putting my head on the pillow at night WRT the things I say and do.
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Re:when offering advice
2012/04/12 11:06:05
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...but people should either confine that argument - which is of ZERO interest to most of us - to the thread in question, or make a thread specifically for talking about it. I hadn't really thought about it that way, but I think you have a good point. While I don't necessarily agree with the way that CH thread was initiated, the need for people to go hunting for any opportunity to bring it up is certainly no better IMHO. Particularly when it's done repeatedly, in someone else's thread, and over here instead of in the CH where the issue originated. Then again... here I am further propagating this thread. Don't hate me, Neb. 
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Re:when offering advice
2012/04/12 11:29:33
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Mea Culpa for dragging the CH thread here.
I apologize to all who were offended.
Back On Topic:
"when offering advice", remember... it may not be taken.
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Re:when offering advice
2012/04/12 11:37:28
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bapu
Back On Topic:
"when offering advice", remember... it may not be taken.
Absolutely, the wonders of Free Will are truly glorious....
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Re:when offering advice
2012/04/12 11:43:41
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Hi I'm Jon
And whilst I frequent the CH I also pretty much frequent the rest of the forums too.
I do not flatter myself with being representative of any of them, and more importantly they are not representative of me.
I just thought I'd clarify.
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Re:when offering advice
2012/04/12 11:45:24
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You Coffee House crew seem like a jolly gang and I don't won't to deny you your fun, but I too am getting tired of threads getting "Coffee Houzed" up here in the SONAR X1 forum. It's a challenge reading through page after page of inside jokes trying to find whatever actual content might be in there.
(I have no side in the John vs. CH battle)
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Re:when offering advice
2012/04/12 11:47:55
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SvenArne
You Coffee House crew seem like a jolly gang and I don't won't to deny you your fun, but I too am getting tired of threads getting "Coffee Houzed" up here in the SONAR X1 forum. It's a challenge reading through page after page of inside jokes trying to find whatever actual content might be in there.
(I have no side in the John vs. CH battle)
Sven
There are 'jokes'???
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Re:when offering advice
2012/04/12 11:55:51
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Jonbouy
There are 'jokes'???
I have no idea what becan even is, but I suppose it's serious matter 
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Re:when offering advice
2012/04/12 12:03:01
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SvenArne
Jonbouy
There are 'jokes'???
I have no idea what becan even is, but I suppose it's serious matter
I kan see where you are koming from it's kool...
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Re:when offering advice
2012/04/12 12:03:48
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Jonbouy
SvenArne
You Coffee House crew seem like a jolly gang and I don't won't to deny you your fun, but I too am getting tired of threads getting "Coffee Houzed" up here in the SONAR X1 forum. It's a challenge reading through page after page of inside jokes trying to find whatever actual content might be in there.
(I have no side in the John vs. CH battle)
Sven
There are 'jokes'???
Inconceivable TM
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Re:when offering advice
2012/04/12 12:21:23
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Jonbouy
Hi I'm Jon
And whilst I frequent the CH I also pretty much frequent the rest of the forums too.
I do not flatter myself with being representative of any of them, and more importantly they are not representative of me.
I just thought I'd clarify.
Like you Jon, I was under the (hopefully not misguided) impression that the CW forum site (divided into subjects, or interests) was meant for all to roam and partake where they see fit as long as not violating the TOS. Like you I frequent other "subject areas" like software and songs (you know, where we display our creations made with the software we purchased from CW) and to a lesser degree techniques and hardware. And like you, I come here to ask a question or even help where I can. And contrary to popular belief I have offered advice (in all forums I've been in) and have received thanks for solutions or suggestions (and that goes beyond Karl ). Like I assume you believe, I'm unaware of any rule that says we have to stay in any one place on this forum. And so I shall continue to roam, seeking advice, giving it where I can and maybe extend some of my brand of humor (i.e. "unfunny").
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Re:when offering advice
2012/04/12 12:33:25
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Re:when offering advice
2012/04/12 12:49:23
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Like I assume you believe, I'm unaware of any rule that says we have to stay in any one place on this forum. And so I shall continue to roam, seeking advice, giving it where I can and maybe extend some of my brand of humor (i.e. "unfunny").
Have you been allowed out of the coffee house again? I thought I locked the door on my way out. 
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2012/04/12 12:51:21
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FastBikerBoy
Like I assume you believe, I'm unaware of any rule that says we have to stay in any one place on this forum. And so I shall continue to roam, seeking advice, giving it where I can and maybe extend some of my brand of humor (i.e. "unfunny").
Have you been allowed out of the coffee house again? I thought I locked the door on my way out.
Ahh, FBB another one of those infernal CH types... 
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Re:when offering advice
2012/04/12 12:55:30
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InkontheevableTM There, fixed. It's what any good Sicilian would do.
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Re:when offering advice
2012/04/12 13:04:09
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I warned you! John Lennon Quotes I'm not going to change the way I look or the way I feel to conform to anything. I've always been a freak. So I've been a freak all my life and I have to live with that, you know. I'm one of those people.
I'm not trying to bring the coffee house up here I'm trying to keep this crap in the coffee house I don't care about who's right and wrong this thread has gone on too long what was the point of the thread? It's three in the morning in oz Dorothy left me with her magik slippers and went back to kansas so this is neb all alone in his artificially heated bed. Nebtastic Sorry Capt Cake I am trying to help
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Re:when offering advice
2012/04/12 13:10:44
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Like someone else said Neb, we won't run out of internet...so carry on. And how long is too long anyway?
Advice is just that...take it or leave it.
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Re:when offering advice
2012/04/12 13:28:40
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Nebtastic
Ben, if John Lennon was still around he'd be quoting you man!!!... btw, I don't think anybody is fighting now are they?
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