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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/11/23 10:01:58
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/11/23 10:04:51
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☄ Helpfulby papacucku 2017/11/23 16:53:51
We all know Gibson is in deep debt and has been for a long time. For big companies, a popular way of getting rid of some of their debt is to buy up another company (let's call it company 'C'), rid C of all or most of its assets by transferring them to another subsidiary, then offloading a lot of liabilities to C and pulling the plug. I'm not saying that this is what is happening right now, but it would be naive to think at least some of this was not plannned in some way. It's been done so many times before...
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/11/23 10:16:09
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☄ Helpfulby synkrotron 2017/11/23 10:43:44
There is something beautiful here among all the sadness, anger, and disbelief. And that is the amount of sadness, anger and disbelief that this news has generated. People are comparing it to losing a loved one or getting a divorce. The very fact that a piece of software can stir up so many intense emotions says a lot about that software! We're literally seeing the classic Seven Stages of Grief being played out right in this very thread! It's a true testament of the love and devotion Sonar users have for this software, and a credit to the people who created and maintained it. Thank you Cakewalk for all the great years of audio production. We hope to see you again, some how or some way. We'll keep the home fires burning.
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/11/23 10:44:13
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☄ Helpfulby Del 2017/11/23 17:20:19
Leee There is something beautiful here among all the sadness, anger, and disbelief. And that is the amount of sadness, anger and disbelief that this news has generated. People are comparing it to losing a loved one or getting a divorce. The very fact that a piece of software can stir up so many intense emotions says a lot about that software! We're literally seeing the classic Seven Stages of Grief being played out right in this very thread! It's a true testament of the love and devotion Sonar users have for this software, and a credit to the people who created and maintained it. Thank you Cakewalk for all the great years of audio production. We hope to see you again, some how or some way. We'll keep the home fires burning.
Good point, Lee
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/11/23 10:49:47
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bitman Who owns rights to the code base? Can't whoever that it is take it home and get re-going on it?
I would not be surprised if one of the bakers has the most recent Sonar source code on a hard drive somewhere in their basement.... just in case.. And by recent , I mean the Beta versions that may be months ahead of 2017.10
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/11/23 10:55:47
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promidi
bitman Who owns rights to the code base? Can't whoever that it is take it home and get re-going on it?
I would not be surprised if one of the bakers has the most recent Sonar source code on a hard drive somewhere in their basement.... just in case.. And by recent , I mean the Beta versions that may be months ahead of 2017.10
Gibson owns it and the patents on it. So taking it would be theft. I suspect Gibson have sold it.
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/11/23 11:02:39
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Keith Albright [Cakewalk]
Chermashensev What about the monthly subscription? I left 1 payment before full purchase!
I checked your account. I think you're all set and shouldn't be in demo mode.
What about my account? And the other similar users who paid ie. 11 payments? Will they be considered individually? Any action is required (from us) or it will be done globally for all such users?
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/11/23 11:05:20
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So sad indeed. Been a user since Pro audio 9 days. No...........:-( I hope someone like Soundtoys, Izotope etc acquire it and keep it running. At least release the source code so as they update windows someone can at least release a patch to keep it running smoothly. SPLAT has been the most stable out of all them.
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/11/23 11:40:45
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My thoughts to everyone at Cake and I wish you all the very best. My thanks for some awesome years (too many). I would also like to thank everyone here at the forum. I will back up, make sure I can continue, and start looking at what I will move to. Disappointed? Shattered is better. Surprised? No. It changed the day Gibson took over. This has been coming every since. I'm sorry to move on, and worried about having to start learning again, but it is what it is. thanks Cake. All the best to everyone..
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/11/23 12:33:45
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☄ Helpfulby aidanodr 2017/11/23 12:35:46
Ok I'm so shocked by the news that my first reaction was to download the latest version of Sonar and put it safe with a backup. I started this adventure with Pro Audio 9 and from my studio some 40 soulful productions, houses and Italian blockbusters have been released with Cakewalk. Sonar for me is the most professional DAW in the market and my clients have always chosen Sonar files instead of other daws that define the standard ...... For the moment I will continue to work with Sonar and I hope that special persons like Greg and Noel can continue to give us software like Sonar and if that will be so whatever they will offer I will be with them. I thank all the people at Cakewalk for the professionalism that has allowed me to be appreciated by my customers and surely on my next vinyl work will be written "recorded, edited and produced with Cakewalk Sonar Platinum". I was a little disappointed with Mr. Anderton's reaction, which seems to me too aseptic to the importance of the event, but it's just my impression and I will continue to appreciate it for its great professionalism. I still hope in a positive solution to the situation because this software deserves to be brought forward by a large company in the audio industry with a vision of the future different from the small and blind Gibson ....... In Italy I will continue to say that Sonar is the best !!!
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/11/23 13:15:31
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☄ Helpfulby Bflat5 2017/11/23 13:25:00
Life happens. No more Cakewalk updates. Sucks, but I can live with that. My current version of SPlat works just fine for my needs. All I want is the ability to re-install my lifetime license software without having to phone home to a server that may or may not be running when/if I need it.
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/11/23 13:15:38
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Wow - I just read the news a few minutes ago. First of all - I hope everything will go well with all the people that worked at Cakewalk/Sonar. I really wish all the best for them. Sonar gone. Well - Not yet completely, but without new developments and especially updates the DAW will only work well until a Windows update breaks something. Still - It can be even years for that is the case. I still have Project 5 running on an older Windows 8 computer, so that can indeed take a long time. But let's be realistic, without updates and new stuff Sonar will die a slow death. And that's sad after being a Sonar user for a long time (but still far less than some other real "old timers" here). I started using Sonar when it was included in a soundcard package I bought (I seem to remember it was Sonar LE 4 with an EMU 404 pci card). It did not take long before I started to love the program, and upgraded to Sonar Home 6 XL, Sonar 8 studio and finally 8.5 Pro. After that I did every update until the latest version of X1 (with prochannel and all that stuff). After being a while "out of the loop" (I concentrated on graphical art projects mostly). I got "back home" and started with a Platinum prescription. Only this year I had to cut down on prescriptions (I also have some prescriptions for graphical programs, and all that monthly money combined adds up very, very fast), and so I had to make a choice between keep updating Cubase (I own the full version) or keep paying the monthly fee on Sonar Platinum. That was a hard choice, but at the end I choose Cubase, simply because it's cheaper for me to do a modest expensive yearly update in stead of a more expensive yearly prescription. Sometimes choices are not easy to make. I still have Sonar Platinum installed on my computer (now without updates since April this year), because I have a lot of projects that have to be "converted" to Cubase. And, of course, I still own Z3TA 2, Rapture (with some sound packs) and Dimension Pro that I use even on the Cubase platform. I really hope the install files for Platinum Pro and all the other stuff I bought from Cakewalk will keep being available. Because - let's be fair. I payed more than two years for Platinum, so I own the program according to the prescription model. I want to be able to download and install the stuff I payed for. It would be a good thing if the registration method would be rolled back to the good old Serial/Registration model, so we do not longer need a server to activate our stuff. I hope it will become a bit more clear how this will be addressed very soon. Anyway - It's sad to see Sonar go. I have worked more than 10 years with this program, and I think it did not deserved to end like this. I knew Gibson was in financial trouble. That was hard not to miss. But I did not expected they would drop Cakewalk this fast. There is maybe still a chance Sonar will find a new "home", but to be honest, I am not very optimistic.
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/11/23 14:04:18
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promidi I would not be surprised if one of the bakers has the most recent Sonar source code on a hard drive somewhere in their basement.... just in case.. And by recent , I mean the Beta versions that may be months ahead of 2017.10
All developers have copy of the source code on their local machines but it's Cakewalk/Gibson's property and they may not utilize it by any means without permission.
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/11/23 14:06:40
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☄ Helpfulby burgerproduction 2017/11/23 15:21:58
Should we make a petition page to ask Microsoft rescue Sonar and make it like a Office system? They could even make it as a bundle to the large Surface Studio. I know I have said it was a bad idea before but when I think of it. This is the only solution. I have sent the Norwegian Microsoft Facebook page a message. But if we make a official petition we could ld gather some signations in it... We should also take a little time to write a good info of the petition and maybe some Cakewalk user reviews.
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/11/23 14:37:28
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There's also the potential issue of non-compete clauses which could prevent the Bakers from pulling a Bitwig.
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/11/23 14:41:20
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Scott Reams
singerNow Pro tools has been in business only 19 years Pro Tools was released in 1989. Check your math. :)
I was going to say. I remember using Sound Tools (predecessor of Pro Tools) by Dididesign in the early 90's anyway. Looks like 1989 (when Sound Tools was released, the name Pro Tools was first used in 1991, and the in-house app in 1993) was not even zero hour: http://www.musicradar.com...ry-of-pro-tools-452963
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/11/23 15:13:31
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+1 to sell to a buyer who cares. Been here since S2 and for my money SP is still one of the best all round producers DAWs out there. To the CW staff, I deeply appreciate your work and help over the years. For me, as I'm professional, I will have to now seriously consider moving to a different solution (NOT PTs!). What a shame. I sincerely hope a good solution can be found. One point about brand presence: hoping that a good buyer is found, they need to take marketing and profile-raising seriously as Sonar *still* fails to appear on a huge number of third-party compatibility lists!!! Sad day. G
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/11/23 15:25:06
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Jarsve Should we make a petition page to ask Microsoft rescue Sonar and make it like a Office system? They could even make it as a bundle to the large Surface Studio.
I've already contacted Microsoft via the Surface page on Facebook asking them to seriously consider saving a brand which stood by Microsoft through thick and thin while others fled to the trendy Mac. Surface would be the perfect companion piece to Sonar. Microsoft should SERIOUSLY consider a buyout, lifetime subscriptions and all. Let's face it, they've got the money to do it.
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/11/23 16:42:50
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OK ... Now, I'm thinking what would be the best DAW to transition to from here ... it's a matter of time before the plug is totally pulled, I'm sure. I wrote application software many years ago and when and event as this takes place, the software is tagged as "a mature product" and what that really means is ... it's going to die and you better start looking elsewhere for options whether it be employment or as an end-user. So, I'll repeat myself ... what is the best software to transition to, keeping in mind, I'd prefer this to not happen again ... so a stable company preferably! I'm so sorry for everybody impacted by this announcement ... whether it be gainful employment or a major home studio setback. I personally feel "very cheated" after the "one-pay" for lifetime updates ... sure wasn't a lifetime of updates in my book.
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/11/23 16:48:44
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Well it's always better option tbh. And Behringer have been very solid company latelly :)
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/11/23 16:49:12
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☄ Helpfulby pentimentosound 2017/11/24 04:59:39
Wow Lee - this may be the best post in internet history. THANKS, AB Leee There is something beautiful here among all the sadness, anger, and disbelief. And that is the amount of sadness, anger and disbelief that this news has generated. People are comparing it to losing a loved one or getting a divorce. The very fact that a piece of software can stir up so many intense emotions says a lot about that software! We're literally seeing the classic Seven Stages of Grief being played out right in this very thread! It's a true testament of the love and devotion Sonar users have for this software, and a credit to the people who created and maintained it. Thank you Cakewalk for all the great years of audio production. We hope to see you again, some how or some way. We'll keep the home fires burning.
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/11/23 16:50:53
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just read Cakewalk is ceased by Gibson, so no more development for Sonar and related products, which are dead. As a Platinum registered owner and a Cakewalk customer since year 1995 , I want to give my solidarity to the Cakewalk workers/engineers, which maybe (hope not) will lose their work; hope they may go on in their Sonar work under another brand, and mainly I want to to tell: Gibson SHAME!!
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/11/23 17:00:29
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PS : No more will buy a Gibson axe .......SHAME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/11/23 17:08:35
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TerraSin Cakewalk needs to be sold, not closed. Closing down for any amount of time is a death sentence.
ABSOLUTELY RIGHT
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/11/23 17:19:33
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burgerproduction I've already contacted Microsoft via the Surface page on Facebook asking them to seriously consider saving a brand which stood by Microsoft through thick and thin while others fled to the trendy Mac. Surface would be the perfect companion piece to Sonar. Microsoft should SERIOUSLY consider a buyout, lifetime subscriptions and all. Let's face it, they've got the money to do it.
Yes indeed, good idea anyway.
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/11/23 17:27:28
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☄ Helpfulby SONARtist 2017/11/23 17:43:47
Noel Borthwick [Cakewalk] Thanks folks, sincerely we are as sad about this as you are. As mentioned in the announcement please rest assured that your software will continue to work and the servers are still active. This is very new so we'll publish a FAQ as we gather more information. Suggestion that I think all here will appreciate and mostly agree with based on what I see posted on the forum. Of course, aim to have another company, Behringer or whoever, buy and continue development. This actually could be sort of an opportunity. Many of us with you for decades as I have been (since it was just early MIDI) appreciate the many new features and of course audio power included. That said, 10,000 free plug-ins from Blue Tubes etc aren't essential, nor is further development of Rapture or other synths. Right now, the synths included in Platinum could create any song from classical to hip hop without any other musical software. What we've always pined for is good stability, and improvements in ability to install, re-install, re-authorize in new machines. The Command Center is really an example of that kind of progress. In other words a scaled down Sonar that only updates bug fixes plus further portability and in ease of use and upgrading enhancements, with the only advancements being easier to use edit features, audio engine / quality improvements (if that's even possible, well, when 128 bit comes along, I guess). Those things I would happily as someone who's also bought the lifetime free subscription last year pay $100 per year on an added subscription to maintain. I don't think I'm alone. The smaller workforce that's required to do all of that should be affordable with that scaled down operations and some / all working from home. Should this work and even become a mere bundling option to Behringer to get them to help it survive, would also possibly work. I am very happy to support the idea of a slower changing, stable, every more simple and quick to use, or relocate or reinstall product that is updated with any new major change in Windows, to accept new audio formats, even VST 4 if that happens, to newer and better (though already great) OMF format etc.. Many here would too. This can actually work. Note: When I say "scaled down" I mean development. Keep the extras you already have, maybe a few software companies not directly affiliated with Sonar (the way Sonitus is, thank God, great products) won't be paid to license free effects. Most have a batch of VST effects we go to aside from Sonar and there is enough freeware to round that out if you don't want to spend one penny more. As great as the new limiter is, honestly, there are at least four others I reach for first. It's alright if you will never offer another and just bundle that. The already included synths and samples in their current form will never not be useful and never need to be updated. Except maybe for new VST format, compatibility with Windows 2019 revision, etc.. Many upgrades in the past had stacks of new effects and synths, what is there now is more than enough. Improvements in CPU / RAM use and efficiency, speed, etc., and compatibility as time goes on and audio engine improvements could be done with a lot less folks, financed by this obviously very concerned base of users who don't want to relearn a new DAW or pray Microsoft bundle it in software which in its own way could lead to a future demise. If they do, great, still keep a smaller backbone going to say no matter what, at least the basic stuff I describe will survive.
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/11/23 17:40:41
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☄ Helpfulby yevster 2017/11/23 19:13:28
Mark D. What we've always pined for is good stability, and improvements in ability to install, re-install, re-authorize in new machines. The Command Center is really an example of that kind of progress. In other words a scaled down Sonar that only updates bug fixes plus further portability and in ease of use and upgrading enhancements, with the only advancements being easier to use edit features, audio engine / quality improvements (if that's even possible, well, when 128 bit comes along, I guess). Those things I would happily as someone who's also bought the lifetime free subscription last year pay $100 per year on an added subscription to maintain.
I don't think I'm alone.
You are not. I suggested putting sonar platinum on reverb.com for $99 "as is." That would be enough to keep some developers on retainer to tweak the program, do bug fixes, etc. Every year, I would see having the updated version available for $99 again. I felt this would keep the program alive, the company in existence, and make it easy to build back the brand at a later date if desired. Of course, it was ignored. But I still think it was a good idea.
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/11/23 17:48:16
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Just wanted to wish the best to all who worked on SPLAT. It was a pleasure using it lately. Such huge improvement over 8.53 and all the X series. Been using Sonar since early 2000's (Home Studio) and loved the latest version so much. Going to keep using it for now and then export all projects and audio for backup to another Daw just in case the servers go down or cease operation. SPLAT does everything I need and I went down that rabbit hole in the 90's up to home studio learning emagic notator, Creamware T-dat, Magix Samplitude, Cubase, Logic, Pro Tools, Live, and just about anything you could think of. Found I was learning instead of creating. Settled on Sonar and was so happy to just create instead of learn again. Anyways a big thank you to all on this Forum as well. I learned a lot from you.
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h3kke
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/11/23 17:48:43
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Craig that is a good idea and I wish they would have done that. It would at least address concerns of it suddenly not working anymore. Doing this for a year or two would have been a nice gesture. I usually assume the best in people, but the more I think about how all of this went down, the more I feel that there was malicious intent by Gibson. Having the sales on membership only a month or two before they shut down Cakewalk is just inexcusable. I think they are in real danger of a class-action lawsuit.
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christian.landstrom
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/11/23 18:09:19
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So sad that I don't know what to say except life goes on I guess...
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