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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/11/24 06:05:22
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There are so many replies to this thread. When there is another official update or reply, will it be a sticky or something we can find quickly? I'm only interested in official updates and opinions now, so I'd like to know how we will find them? Obviously, we are all wondering about our futures with Cakewalk products, etc. Continuous thanks and appreciation to the staff who are really affected by this situation..
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/11/24 06:10:56
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☄ Helpfulby rotterdammarketing 2017/11/24 19:15:42
Had anyone received an official email? I hardly regard a forum as the place to receive official company information. Not saying that I do not believe the content of the message, just that there might be users who never visit the forum and are still unaware.......
To me that is absolutely unacceptable.
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/11/24 06:33:17
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M@ Had anyone received an official email? I hardly regard a forum as the place to receive official company information. Not saying that I do not believe the content of the message, just that there might be users who never visit the forum and are still unaware.......
To me that is absolutely unacceptable.
I'm guessing since the Cakewalk staff has been reduced to a skeleton crew, getting the word out in this forum was the quickest and easiest way. Sending emails to all the customers is probably a bit more time consuming. Plus if you're on Facebook and are in any kind of music production group, it's pretty much all anyone can talk about right now. But yes, an email would have been nice. Maybe we'll get one when there's some more official news (hopefully good news). Plus I think the Cakewalk team are under some kind of gag order, limiting how much info they can share right now.
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/11/24 06:48:36
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Wow... I felt my heart leap up throat.... This sucks.... I've been using sonar cakewalk for about 9years now. I learned audio and music production on sonar cakewalk 3. I even have the book. And i've been saving up to purchase the sonar Platinum. Does this mean that i cant access Sonar Platinum anymore? Good luck to all you guys who've been working on the software Regards, Gwyn K.
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/11/24 06:56:08
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I'll sell you my SONAR Platinum, it comes with Lifetime Updates, all the Pro Channel modules, Z3TA 2, Rapture, Dimension Pro, Rapture Pro, a $h!t load of expansion packs for the instruments and more, just let me know.
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/11/24 07:05:50
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Matron Landslide, hilarious. Sad but funny in a gallows humour kinda way.
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/11/24 07:11:59
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/11/24 07:14:59
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Dang Nabbit! I switched to Studio One last year, as a secondary to PT. I am a huge fan of S1,it was easy and fun to learn and use, very nice synths included,but I have Sonar and Rapture for a loads of creativity in the synth realm. There are limitations within Studio One that make Cubase a better long term investment for many users,depending on your specific needs. I don't run a commercial studio so Studio and Sonar w/ Rapture had me covered. Sadly, I payed for a Sonar upgrade a week before the Gibson back-stab; I can't leave Sonar alone, I love the workflow. Disappointed but facing reality. I have a lite version of Cubase. It didn't light any fires in me to go deeper into it, buy a full version. But I will now, I don't see any other option. CUBASE and Studio One folks should be commended for making the effort to fill the gap with a discount. They could be cold-blooded and charge full price knowing MANY users are headed their direction soon,regardless. Apparently, they have bookoos more integrity than Gibson,Inc. Feels like..."my favorite girlfriend ran off with my best friend. All good, I have a backup girl (ain't as pretty but more loyal) and a double handful of good bros to fill the gap. Except, it's NOT all good, but time to move on cuz the main honey ran off with all my money!". If Presonus/Studio One were truly on the ball, they'd grab as many Cakewalk alumni and finally make Studio One what it should/could be. Upgrade the few things that PT and Cubase provide that S1 doesn't, they'd own the market. HINT
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/11/24 08:07:27
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No email, no. Just occasionally getting news on forums.
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/11/24 08:09:34
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why not make sonar an open source program. Like Gimp or Open Office? Than people can develop the program.
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/11/24 08:27:46
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Is it possible to download all their Web Help files on your given product (mine is X3 Producer) so that when the server goes down, users are not stuck in limbo with questions that will arise? Almost all of the Help Files are online!
And likewise the Forums, too? There's myriads of excellent answers from people in the Forums. There must be a way to download all the Forums to your personal PC to browse and search.
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/11/24 08:34:03
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Tomas M. why not make sonar an open source program. Like Gimp or Open Office? Than people can develop the program.
I think there is one thing that holds that back - Software patents. It's unlikely Gibson will give that away for free. Gibson is deep in dept now, and will grab any money they can lay their hand on. And software patents are worth a lot of money. It is also possible that Sonar is licensing patents from other company's, and then you can't simply open op your source code, because you will then violate the license(s) agreement(s). Sadly - It's not as simple as "open up the source code". There are lots of things involved here.
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/11/24 09:09:53
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☄ Helpfulby DaveMichel 2017/11/24 14:55:50
Guys! On a practical note. I will be using my SPLAT for the foreseeable future as it is still the best damn DAW out there. However, I'm also previewing some other options, such as Reaper, Pro Tools and Mixcraft. I would advise any of you who plan to keep on using Sonar to get over to your Login page at Cakewalk, take a screen grab/print to file all your serial numbers and codes, and download all the stetup files and instrument files you can. It will probably take you the best part of a day, but you never know when the servers will go down and the files will disappear. Remember, Sonar is not just the DAW, it is also all the software and fx too which can be merged to any future DAW. It's a lot to download, but if you archive it well, you'll save yourself heart-ache in the future. For example, I used Sonar Studio 8 up until migrating to SPLAT, and I see that all the fixes and update files for that have now disappeared from the servers.
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/11/24 09:34:06
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☄ Helpfulby burgerproduction 2017/11/24 10:12:22
burgerproduction I would advise any of you who plan to keep on using Sonar to get over to your Login page at Cakewalk, take a screen grab/print to file all your serial numbers and codes, and download all the stetup files and instrument files you can.
That´s exactly what I did yesterday. Always a good advice. I didn´t have to download all stuff because I had most of the newer files in my download folder for command center. For most older stuff like Sonar 8.5. I have all the original CDs. Altough I really like sonar very much, I grab the chance to get Studio One + Notion from the black friday sale. Maybe cakewalk will find a new owner, but it´s never wrong to have a second DAW. I also own FL-Studio and Pro Tools 12 but these two could never really be an alternative for me in comparison to sonar. A mixture of both could be fine: FL as an midi-beast and PT for the audio stuff. At least we all should concentrate on our music and not only the tools we need to make it. If a hammer is broken, go on and take another one - slightly different, but it will work.
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/11/24 11:54:19
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I have a question, perhaps two. 1. Concerning disabling the Internet; What about things like Waves or other plugins which need to update periodically, or simply purchasing on the web?
2. Perhaps not a question but an observation; The last thing I want to do is move to another DAW. Splat was my first and only 'wife'. Its way too soon to remarry.
Also, with Splat you got Melodyne Essentials and some adpaks from Addictive Drums. Can those be moved to a new daw?
But what happens if we continue to carefully and successfully use Splat for some time into the future...find new software to add to it, only to find the 'new' software not compatible with our Splat? And the further we take Sonar, the more ancient it becomes...
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/11/24 12:00:47
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Wait! How do you download all the files when splat is already installed? Doesn't the updater look for the latest versions of everything before it decides what you need? I'll do it, if I know how.
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/11/24 12:06:12
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My guess is someone 'up there' is gonna see the firestorm that's raging down here, and simply pull the plug on the whole thing. Oh, we'll pop back up eventually, scattered about, but they'll get rid of a multitude of issues with the flip of one switch. This isn't he long them one iota. Just one less bill they'll need to account for by switching us off.
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/11/24 13:12:17
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deswind If Gibson has a business loss in general, they do not need a deduction for a loss on Cakewalk. But Gibson, which I think is doing really well with guitars (they are better than they use to be), should care about its reputation. And working with other companies to share the Sonar codes would be very helpful.
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/11/24 13:18:12
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HARDDRlVER My guess is someone 'up there' is gonna see the firestorm that's raging down here, and simply pull the plug on the whole thing. Oh, we'll pop back up eventually, scattered about, but they'll get rid of a multitude of issues with the flip of one switch. This isn't he long them one iota. Just one less bill they'll need to account for by switching us off.
There's already an operational emergency but looks great, replacement forum volunteered site....
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/11/24 13:19:24
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I'm betting Gibson knew all along they were going to pump and dump Sonar. Many times failing company's (Such as Gibson) buy other companies to boost their stock / value, then dump them for the tax write offs. Love how Gibson had a float in the Macy's parade and the guitar player was using some cheap Epiphone, way to market your flagship brand! Thing is, most people today that buy guitars (which is dwindling as well) just buy the cheaper brands.
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/11/24 13:22:37
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If Gibson cared about Users.....they should have warned those at least who have large production houses based on Sonar early on.....so complete businesses' with multiple employees wouldn't potentially have livelihoods put in jeopardy.
*That rules me out, but that's ok.
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/11/24 13:23:25
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Edited: to eliminate name calling (what I'd really like to say)
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/11/24 13:27:48
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☄ Helpfulby jaxman12 2017/11/24 23:46:42
In reality, if you're running a production business, then the end of life of an individual piece of software is not going to create a crisis. I work every day in Sonar, and have continued to every day since the announcement. I've got plenty of time to plan a transition.
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/11/24 13:58:29
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HARDDRlVER I have a question, perhaps two. 1. Concerning disabling the Internet; What about things like Waves or other plugins which need to update periodically, or simply purchasing on the web?
2. Perhaps not a question but an observation; The last thing I want to do is move to another DAW. Splat was my first and only 'wife'. Its way too soon to remarry.
Also, with Splat you got Melodyne Essentials and some adpaks from Addictive Drums. Can those be moved to a new daw?
But what happens if we continue to carefully and successfully use Splat for some time into the future...find new software to add to it, only to find the 'new' software not compatible with our Splat? And the further we take Sonar, the more ancient it becomes...
The main concern about being online is any major Windows updates. Updates to other software is another concern, I'm not convinced that being offline is the answer you just need to make sure that updates don't apply automatically to avoid something breaking and not knowing what broke it. As long as third parties like Waves claim Sonar support then we should be OK. I think they will for a while as a platform that does not change is "easy" to support. VST 2 for example should be good issues might come with VST 3 as that still seems to be a work in progress. For third parties like Waves there is a great opportunity in marketing to those of us who choose to stay on Sonar as Cakewalk won't be taking our cash so they can. I have not seen a definitive list of what VSTs will and will not work outside of Sonar but I do know that a lot of the bundled content is usable in other hosts. For Melodyne and Addictive Drums don't forget that we also get the standalone versions so they are definitely usable even if we need to change our workflow,
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/11/24 14:34:03
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SO it seems that authorization will be taken care of (see sticky post), or at least we have assurances from Noel to that effect. That's good and takes the immediate pressure off, as while it's possible that Windows will eventually break something essential it's unlikely to happen next week. So I'm going to continue using Sonar for the foreseeable future, while gradually poking away at making transferable backups of any and all important older tracks I might one day want to dig back into - stems, at the very least, and/or individual rendered tracks, and/or MIDI and vst/i presets where that makes sense. Meanwhile I'm going to explore other options a bit more rather than jumping on something right away - I already have some options licensed and will start with those rather than feeling like I absolutely have to transition ASAP to Cubase or S1pro, making a snap decision based on a limited-time crossgrade option or Black Friday sale, however attractive it may seem... money doesn't grow on trees, as the saying goes. And I can say a long slow goodbye to Sonar on my own terms. It will take some time to get over the disappointment, but life goes on.
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/11/24 14:35:40
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I wonder if that offline authorization will include all products, plugins etc?
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/11/24 14:40:46
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wetdentist i really hope that we will be able to download all of our licensed products
I have the 1tb external drive downloading all of my Cakewalk files from the website (Just in case).
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/11/24 14:41:00
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subtlearts I wonder if that offline authorization will include all products, plugins etc?
I would hope it would include everything that is currently managed by the remote licensing system.
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/11/24 14:41:11
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I'm really not to sure why gibson wouldn't try to sell this off or fight to keep this as their breadwinner rather then what they intend on focusing their attention to... which is a largely overly produced market place as it is. I just downloaded trials for reaper, ableton 9, cubase in a bid to get a program compatible with addictive drums 2.... and these programs are horrible. I mean by user friendly standards they are all no where near sonar standards. Features don't even touch on it. When i used ableton i thought to myself, these are DOS day graphics and user commands.....and that midi bar is terrible!!! i hear things about this presonus program... well it's everywhere really - but according to XLN it's not a supported host for AD2 and i've invested a lot of money in this software so this is a must for me. Gibson, why get rid of what should be an industry leading program for home studios and professional studios. I just don't get it. Sell it all on Gibson, get what you can, or sell it cheap so you can give back to the people you have taken from and let this greatness live on. now i'm off to continue using my platinum until i'm absolutely forced against my will to use something else and even then i will try to find a hack to make it live on!!!
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Re: Cakewalk Announcement
2017/11/24 14:42:07
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☄ Helpfulby jaxman12 2017/11/24 23:49:34
I'm glad i purchased Studio One and Mixbus but I only did so to see if I would like them over sonar. Out of all the DAWs I demo'd over the years Sonar was the easiest to learn. It just made sense to me. I know the Bakers will do ok for themselves because they are a good at what they do. I guess the moral of the story here is never put all your eggs in one basket. I would think Cakewalk would have to change the activation so we can still use Sonar. Didn't we buy a license for it? Didn't they say we own it? Is there not a legal aspect to this kind of situation?
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