Middleman


Interesting all the people with the I7 that seem to be having issues. I wonder if there is some buss contention on motherboards with that chipset. Maybe something that needs to be turned off. Just a guess. What OS? I assume you have updated all of your video, soundcard and OS drivers?

Most of your complaints seem reasonable. Did you try the D key for opening and closing the Piano view? I think you can size it so the snap to grid controls are still accessible. Also did you turn off xray? Just offering up some ideas.

Bristol_Jonesey


First thing I did before installing X1 was to upgrade the OS to SP3.

But I've had to unistall X1 due to instability, not just in X1 but something was also trashing my 8.5.3 setup which was running perfectly before.

I still have 8.5.2 on my machine, and 8 and 7... and 6.

10Ten

ProjectM

10Ten


And I am certainly happy for you that the change has sparked some creativity, but that's all it is. It's like buying a new synth or guitar, it's different. I am already creative and need software to be consistent. Learning new software gets in the way of creativity for me which is why I've stuck with Sonar for so long and now that I am forced to learn new software all bets are off.

He he, I think we're two very different people 10Ten. Bought a few new guitars the last couple years and more synths than I'll probably ever use. I've even moved rooms for my studio - both of them! But Sonar has been a boring place to work since V7. I've made a living using it but very little for my own pleasure. I'm back to that now. The creativity is of course inside me, but I find it inspiring to get it out using X1. New guitars are cool either way. If you find X1 restricting then it's clearly not the software for you. To me it was a welcome change in working environment

Sorry, but I don't find "where did that go" and "why doesn't that work anymore" very inspiring.

ProjectM

10Ten

ProjectM

Sorry, but I don't find "where did that go" and "why doesn't that work anymore" very inspiring.

Understandable. I don't, however, have that problem

Then you aren't using X1. We all know that tons of stuff doesn't work and everything has moved or been changed. Then people like you come here and say that you haven't had to ask where something went or had things that don't work. Reality seems to be saying that you just are no being truthful. The question is why.

You see, this is what I find really annoying on the forums lately. I'm not using X1 you say. So I've installed some other software and believe that it is X1 I have installed? I'm too stupid to realize that I am actually not using X1? I can tell you I have no other DAW software installed other than X1, the icon says X1 and the name on the top of the software window says X1. Or are you're calling me a liar? Do you think I would claim that I don't have any issues even though I had tons of them and just troll around here to piss you off? 10Ten, you're out of line here. I've been using Sonar for a decade and I've made good money with it and some really good music. When it comes to Sonar, I know what I am talking about and won't have some noob coming here putting words into my mouth saying that I am wrong, the software doesn't work for me and on top of that; that I am NOT even using it! I have it in front of me every day and I manage to use it. I do have had to ask where things are but instead of ****ing around here I've used the help file and the pdfs that came with the software. I've been patient and learned this in stead of posting on the forums in a rage. I've read hundreds of posts on the forums since X1 came out and I've picked up many good tips from other Sonar users who spend time learning the software and have, like me, decided to cope with its faults for now.

What I am saying is that I haven't had any problems adjusting to the new interface. I like it. It's a personal thing. It works for me - perfect for me, it doesn't work for you - too bad for you. I've never said that you're wrong because you can't or won't learn the software. Is X1 working without problems? No. Can I make music? Yes and that's what's important.

10Ten, if you're having such big problems with X1, I feel sorry for you - as I do for everyone who have problems to make it work. This time around I've been one of the lucky one who have a system that can run normal to heavy Sonar projects with very little problems. In many cases it's more stable than any previous version was. And I am fortunate to be personally "compatible" to the bakers' idea of a new GUI. IMO, it absolutely rocks, it makes sense to me, it doesn't for others and I understand. I encounter bugs and weird behavior as well but I tolerate it because like I said; I can still make music without any obstacles.

You coming here claiming that I'm not even using X1 is really low, 10Ten. It's a Windows world we live in, even two identical hardware setups won't perform exactly the same. Deal with it.

10Ten

ProjectM

Sorry, but I don't find "where did that go" and "why doesn't that work anymore" very inspiring.

Understandable. I don't, however, have that problem

Then you aren't using X1. We all know that tons of stuff doesn't work and everything has moved or been changed. Then people like you come here and say that you haven't had to ask where something went or had things that don't work. Reality seems to be saying that you just are no being truthful. The question is why.

trimph1

10Ten

ProjectM

Sorry, but I don't find "where did that go" and "why doesn't that work anymore" very inspiring.

Understandable. I don't, however, have that problem

Then you aren't using X1. We all know that tons of stuff doesn't work and everything has moved or been changed. Then people like you come here and say that you haven't had to ask where something went or had things that don't work. Reality seems to be saying that you just are no being truthful. The question is why.

Are you suggesting that everyone is having huge issues here? That NO ONE is having a crash free existence with X1?    


That seems a little much from this end...

What if there are people who do not have issues then? Are you suggesting something?

ProjectM

And I commented on a specific claim that you made. You won't spend time looking for where features are hidden. I claimed I have no problems doing that and when you find it once, then I would assume that anyone for the most part would find it very quickly the next time. In other words: It's no bumps in the roads there. If you can't adapt to it, then it's not the right software for you. I have never denied that I like the interface. I proudly praise the new interface and have done so for a long time now. And I've tried to chime in with some opinions and sollutions to people who struggle with it elsewhere on the forum. You simply won't put up with the new interface and simply deny everyone else to like it, which is really pathetic. And you draw some weird conclusions based on short statements that you interpret into lies and false accusations that the software works. I haven't encountered much that doesn't work either, except some snap to features that is odd and AS is as everyone knows, not working properly. I would never minimize the problems people are having. Your claim that people who are ok with what's going on is liars or simple amateurs are what annoys me. You accuse people with the craziest things just because they have a different X1 experience than you? Seriously, I don't put up with anything just because I like Sonar. I've reported my share of bugs, I've asked for help wherever I needed to and what's not working now are so significant that I am sure the bakers are on it and I have no problems waiting for a fix. But until then I have no problems using X1 either.

People like you who attacks anyone with a positive experience is the real problem here in the forums these days. If you ask me, I don't believe you have neither worked very much with X1 nor have you given it a fair chance. Your number of posts here clearly indicates that there has been little or no Sonar time for you and you simply don't like the new interface so you won't let anyone else like it either.

10Ten

You can like or dislike anything you want and your ad hominem attacks don't change anything. I opened X1, found that nothing was where I left it and major things I need don't work. Why should I continue to waste time with it when 8.5.3 does them and I don't have to relearn it? I also don't have to say things like: I don't have to look for something, until I do. X1 doesn't crash except for the 2 or 3 times it did. Everything works except for the stuff that doesn't, but man I really like the interface. I'd rather have an ugly car that cranks every morning than a Mercedes that I have to get jump started every time I need to use it. Again, why not just be honest. You are willing to over look the issues because you like the interface. I'm not.

ProjectM

10Ten

You can like or dislike anything you want and your ad hominem attacks don't change anything. I opened X1, found that nothing was where I left it and major things I need don't work. Why should I continue to waste time with it when 8.5.3 does them and I don't have to relearn it? I also don't have to say things like: I don't have to look for something, until I do. X1 doesn't crash except for the 2 or 3 times it did. Everything works except for the stuff that doesn't, but man I really like the interface. I'd rather have an ugly car that cranks every morning than a Mercedes that I have to get jump started every time I need to use it. Again, why not just be honest. You are willing to over look the issues because you like the interface. I'm not.

Dude, I didn't ask for an explanation I just used your own rhetoric against you. Simply, your problems, I don't care about any more. Everyone else - I'm all ears.

Why did you upgraded if you wanted everything to stay the same is what I don't get. And why spend so much trolling around about it is nothing I understand. You can always go back a version and get going, then maybe try to go back to X1 at a later time.

Or do like Mike Mccue does - start learning some more about X1 and then get some actual work done in 8.5. He's been a tremendous resource for troubleshooting. You have been nothing more than annoying.

Seriously 10Ten, I have a stable set up. I have no problem finding things. Mostly I don't even have to look it up anywhere to know where to find it. If you have problems with that then I guess our conversation is over