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RE: Sonar 4: Future Features
2004/04/24 02:58:01
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- Automation/Controller pen with templates for different "shapes" that have editable nodes.
- Update the notation window - WYSIWYG printing - Make it actually look like a sheet of music with changeable page value so you can get to page 48 to edit a chord change.
- Adjustable grid in the track view. Just like the piano roll grid options.
- Track copy includes effects so copying tracks between projects is easier
- A way to control the volume of the track when you are using the patch browser.
- Higher Midi resolution (Ticks Per Quarter Note) - Up to 10,000 would be nice
I always need to move a midi event with the accuracy of one-hundred millionths of a quarter note.
- Audio track volume display values in decibels.
- Track grouping
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RE: Sonar 4: Future Features
2004/04/24 03:32:41
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Higher Midi resolution (Ticks Per Quarter Note) - Up to 10,000 would be nice
I always need to move a midi event with the accuracy of one-hundred millionths of a quarter note. LOL !!! . , don't tell me that ur serious about this one ....please ! <g> the other requests - been asked before but good points there 4 sure .
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RE: Sonar 4: Future Features
2004/04/24 10:18:04
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".", thanks for inserting your FRs here.. - i saw your own thread.. all in one place is more comfortable.  regards
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RE: Sonar 4: Future Features
2004/04/25 02:54:04
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I wanna have keybinding of Patch Browser....
if there's one key binding of the patch browser, it'll be very time saving :)
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RE: Sonar 4: Future Features
2004/04/25 03:34:27
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I was checking to see if anyone read these things. But I was serious, just not about the application. Alot of large SYSX/NRPN data in a track coming from a hands on synth that is all knobs and sliders makes for chunky streams... Currently the highest TPQN = 960 The best I have seen on any app is 10,000 If you think I am crazy check out the specs on Digital Performer. LOL !!! . , don't tell me that ur serious about this one ....please ! <g>
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RE: Sonar 4: Future Features
2004/04/25 15:47:26
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I wanna have keybinding of Patch Browser....
if there's one key binding of the patch browser, it'll be very time saving :) im not in frint of sonar right now.. i might be wrong but have you looked into the keybindings-options. isnt there a possibility to bind the browser?
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RE: Sonar 4: Future Features
2004/04/25 15:54:31
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Alot of large SYSX/NRPN data in a track coming from a hands on synth that is all knobs and sliders makes for chunky streams... Currently the highest TPQN = 960
The best I have seen on any app is 10,000 man , i would LOVE to see Craig Anderton or Scott Reams jumping in here .. !  IMHO 960 is smooth enough for everything...including dense sliders and/or sysex/nrpn/any midi controller message .. it could be more important to send that dense midi data to several hardware ports.. there is a bottleneck after all .. the max speed of MIDI (when it leaves your computer ) is limited anyway . inside the PC - maybe in this case there could be some justification for ten of thousands TPQN .
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RE: Sonar 4: Future Features
2004/04/26 09:38:22
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mmmh, two threads on one topic is not the best, but well, i found somethings in the old thread " feature requests" that im inserting here. almost alñl heard before but new aspects are there.. :
roughly
side chain.
And perhaps a way to solo without effect all sends.
fairy
· cleaner interface.. eg ability to turn off the shades of objects in the track-view.
· and the standard flat buttons like in CWP! i so hate the new buttons.... why go back to 3D? at least an option to turn it on/off.
· why a border around everything? it unnecessarily increases the height of a track also, which is very annoying (in comparison to CW9) waste of space..
· the dots in the track view dont have the same distance between when zooming out
· top/bottom graduation on each track like in CW9 ?
ps
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RE: Sonar 4: Future Features
2004/04/26 09:46:39
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· why a border around everything? it unnecessarily increases the height of a track also, which is very annoying (in comparison to CW9) waste of space.. 1. thats what i meant with more flexible zooming: e.g. half the vertical size of the tracks should be possible 2. i dont like the waste of space because of the new faders in the track view either... they should be resizeable And perhaps a way to solo without effect all sends. i would consider this a bug in 3.1.1 it really annoys sometime.. --> maybe i should open another thread called "Future BUG Fixes", and we start collecting all our found Bugs - How about that?
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RE: Sonar 4: Future Features
2004/04/26 10:19:39
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1. thats what i meant with more flexible zooming: e.g. half the vertical size of the tracks should be possible What do you mean? 2. i dont like the waste of space because of the new faders in the track view either... they should be resizeable Which new faders? Sorry, I really don't understand eother of these requests, please explain.
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RE: Sonar 4: Future Features
2004/04/26 16:38:18
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hi andrew, ever used or seen sx2? sx´s zooming is more flexible (half the vertical track size) -you get the double of tracks into one view without scrolling.. the bins in sx resize themselves if you move the middle bar from left to right.. prezise enough? ;)
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RE: Sonar 4: Future Features
2004/04/26 19:38:54
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sx´s zooming is more flexible (half the vertical track size) -you get the double of tracks into one view without scrolling.. Maybe I'm being stupid or something, but I simply don't know what you mean, what do you mean by "half the vertical track size"? Edit -- thing is I can get 33 tracks displayed in SONAR when they're minimised, are you sure you can get more in SX?
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RE: Sonar 4: Future Features
2004/04/27 07:18:27
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if i´m right you get about 60 tracks into one view... dont know if there is a demo of sx. i dont have it either but a freind of mine and some aspects of the interface of sx are quite nice. but after all...sonar is much easier to use..
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RE: Sonar 4: Future Features
2004/04/27 07:36:27
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Zooming to half the track size AND folder tracks would make my life much easier. in comparison to sx two things i discovered are very useful: the universal bus architecture is great. in comparison to sx it is so much more flexible!! the reason i stayed with sonar after sx1 came out was the best and easiest audio editing off all sequencers i know. i dont know if there was this request already in the list: - just implement the vst standard in sonar 4 without adapter! after reading a couple of threads i think there are still problems with it.
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RE: Sonar 4: Future Features
2004/04/29 13:33:16
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One other feature I would use is if minimized tracks could be set to *stay* minimized when zooming in vertically or using the fit tracks functions. There should be a distinction between minimized and "shrunk to be as small as possible".
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RE: Sonar 4: Future Features
2004/04/29 13:39:46
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the reason i stayed with sonar after sx1 came out was the best and easiest audio editing off all sequencers i know Like what?
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RE: Sonar 4: Future Features
2004/04/29 16:38:47
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I think this is what folks are asking for. I have the same issue.
We need Auto delay compensation in audio engine, or at least an option to "slide by samples". I consitently get a 3.1 Msec (141 samples) delay in tracks recorded as audio into sonar. This is not a "audio card" issue. When somebody is playing live along with a groove, I always need to second guess sonar, and slide audio earlier by 6 to 7 ticks to get it back in the pocket (actualy ticks are not acurate enough for me, need sample accurate timing). I think it is the time it takes the audio to leave the card, then the time it takes for the audio to return back to sonar. This problem can be replicated by most everyone I know using sonar. To replicate, place a lone kick drum on an audio track with the attack exactly on the quarter note. Loop the audio back into another track and record. You will see a poorly synced second track (late by some amount based on your setup).
I work in a pro-grade project studio, and this really is not cool when clients here their take played back and they feel like they are way out of pocket until I mess around with it.
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RE: Sonar 4: Future Features
2004/04/29 18:26:26
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Regarding zooming in Sonar, it needs Programmable ZOOM MEMORIES. Click on zoom setting 1, full view, zoom setting 2, zoomed in by whatever amount you have specified, zoom setting 3 zoomed in further, and so on.
Six to eight of such memories on the tool bar assignable to shortcuts, and you will speed around Sonar at Mach 11.
No more scrolling.
Sonar 4 visual improvement 1 : get those custom colours to stay assigned to tracks after bouncing to clips !
Sonar 4 visual improvement 2 : invert colours upon selection. It's there already, press shift+ drag across the track to select your range--the colours will invert. But once shift is released you get the ugly grey colour. Inverting the colour upon selection , would allow me to get a dark clip background and light waveform colours, better for my eyes. As it stands now, I can't get dark clip background since the grey selection colour makes everything invisible !
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RE: Sonar 4: Future Features
2004/04/29 18:51:32
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Loop the audio back into another track and record. You will see a poorly synced second track (late by some amount based on your setup). have you tried this with ASIO as well?
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RE: Sonar 4: Future Features
2004/04/29 19:03:52
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when I upgraded from sonar 3.1 to 3.1.1 the ASIO started to blue screen (something I "never" see on XP until then). bad news.... can only use wdm
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RE: Sonar 4: Future Features
2004/04/29 20:18:36
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ORIGINAL: planist
folder tracks ...would be awesome. (Though I'd settle for just being able to select multiple tracks and then move them all at once as a group.) - just implement the vst standard in sonar 4 without adapter! after reading a couple of threads i think there are still problems with it. Now that you mention it, why *is* it necessary to run the VST adaptor as a separate step? Couldn't that all be done behind the scenes? I mean, if I've installed a VST, I must want to use it, so why can't Sonar just give me access to it? When I use the adaptor, I just click through all the defaults anyway. And in actual use, I never deal with the distinction between DXi and VST, and in most cases couldn't say for sure which of the plugins I use was which. I just use them. CJ
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RE: Sonar 4: Future Features
2004/04/29 20:24:26
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ORIGINAL: Rustic Raf
Sonar 4 visual improvement 1 : get those custom colours to stay assigned to tracks after bouncing to clips ! Yes! And also get custom track colors to stay assigned after the track order changes. Link colors as part of the track's specific properties, rather than to its order among all the tracks.
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RE: Sonar 4: Future Features
2004/05/03 09:32:08
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the reason i stayed with sonar after sx1 came out was the best and easiest audio editing off all sequencers i know
Like what? like sx2, lg5 ...
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RE: Sonar 4: Future Features
2004/05/03 09:38:56
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I think this is what folks are asking for. I have the same issue.
We need Auto delay compensation in audio engine, or at least an option to "slide by samples". I consitently get a 3.1 Msec (141 samples) delay in tracks recorded as audio into sonar. This is not a "audio card" issue. When somebody is playing live along with a groove, I always need to second guess sonar, and slide audio earlier by 6 to 7 ticks to get it back in the pocket (actualy ticks are not acurate enough for me, need sample accurate timing). I think it is the time it takes the audio to leave the card, then the time it takes for the audio to return back to sonar. This problem can be replicated by most everyone I know using sonar. To replicate, place a lone kick drum on an audio track with the attack exactly on the quarter note. Loop the audio back into another track and record. You will see a poorly synced second track (late by some amount based on your setup).
I work in a pro-grade project studio, and this really is not cool when clients here their take played back and they feel like they are way out of pocket until I mess around with it. i cant believe it. the first time my complains about exectly that issue are heard. thanks!!!!! THIS is exactly what i am experiencing. i dont work in a studio but it annoys me since 4 years already. it must not be that the delay in recorded material that we obviously get depends on the latency setting or on something i cannot alter...!!!!
I work in a pro-grade project studio, and this really is not cool when clients here their take played back and they feel like they are way out of pocket until I mess around with it.
PS: are we missing something?
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RE: Sonar 4: Future Features
2004/05/03 09:41:07
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when i work on a project i usually set my latency to 30/40msec. there must be a compensation - slider to compensate all these gapping and delay issues!! PLEASE 
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RE: Sonar 4: Future Features
2004/05/03 09:43:49
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Sonar 4 visual improvement 1 : get those custom colours to stay assigned to tracks after bouncing to clips ! why wait for S4 - these are minor problems, oh well almost bugs, that could (have to) be fixed in an upcoming PATCH for 3 that a lot of people in this forum want.
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RE: Sonar 4: Future Features
2004/05/03 09:50:36
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Loop the audio back into another track and record. You will see a poorly synced second track (late by some amount based on your setup).
have you tried this with ASIO as well?
i tried everything. default, ASIO, WDM - you see my setup at the bottom. there seems to be something wrong. it is not really bad. usually i mess around with audio data i record in sonar alot, so i quantize everything to a specific amount. but if i record with other people in my home and want to record vocals there always is a delay of a few msec...
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RE: Sonar 4: Future Features
2004/05/03 10:00:06
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If you are routing audio out of and back into your soundcard, then I can't see how SONAR could poll the sound card to compensate for the delay. The actual delay amount would vary depending on the soundcard, and if you're using outboard effects (which I assume is what you're doing here) then many of those introduce a couple of ms delay too. I suppose there could be some future feature to have SONAR produce a click out and then internally measure the delay before it was returned... In the meantime you'll need to compensate manually - try AnalogX's free SampleSlide plugin: http://www.analogx.com/contents/download/audio/sslide.htm Apologies if I've misunderstood your problem, but I'm pretty sure that SONAR 3 does all the auto delay compensation it can. If I've misunderstood perhaps you could explain again. As for the gapping, I'm with you on that one (I won't be upgrading until it's addressed) but I wouldn't expect that to be in a SONAR 3 patch - it's by design, not a bug. Roll on 4.0...!
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RE: Sonar 4: Future Features
2004/05/03 13:10:36
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I want I want I want!
I want to latency setting to be saved along with all other project data.
When I load a complex project from before I don't want a "fast' latency
setting to blow up playback and force me to adjust. I don't care if a
reprofile is needed. Somthing like "Please wait while SONAR reprofiles
for this project..." Then you hit play and it plays!
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RE: Sonar 4: Future Features
2004/05/03 13:43:03
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I'd like Sonar 4.x to know what I meant to play. I call it "Speculative recording"
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