I'm not referring to you, no.

John T

Here's an irony for you. Having looked at what's in Expanded, I think it's all nice and everything, but I'm not going to get it right away, if at all. There's nothing in there that I especially need to get my work done. I might change my mind as more details emerge.
 
Yet apparently, according to people who are going to buy it whether it's any use to them or not, I'm the fanboy. Riddle me that one.

Doesn't make sense does it?

Who called you that here btw?

I understand how you feel though I was just trying to appraise what Expanded actually contained and was made to feel unwelcome.  Just because I'm currently a lowly 8.5 fanboy I think.

I even think the FX chain combinator thing is a cool addition.

Yet apparently, according to people who are going to buy it whether it's any use to them or not, I'm the fanboy. Riddle me that one.

This one confuses me a little. Apparently if the software is working for me personally and I say so, I'm a fanboi. Yet if it didn't work and I came on here moaning about how crap it all is but continued to use and buy upgrades I wouldn't be? Bizarre.

If I ever get as much trouble with Sonar as some get I can assure you I'll be off to find some replacement software that does work for me pretty smartish, and won't look back.

Life's too short to keep banging my head against a wall.

John T

codamedia

If Cake is holding out on bug fixes to force me to upgrade to expanded,
 

They're not though. This has been established.

 
It's been established that they will provide a bug fix, but they have no idea when! Seths post #170 makes this very clear. Funny, those same fixes will be available if you upgrade - and they know exactly when that will be available!
 
I can't rely on Pro Channel at this time, so I simply do not use it - but I would like to. Why would I throw more money into it without knowing if the "fixes" are actually going to work. If the fixes are stable enough to go in a new product - there is no reason why they can't release those as a quick fix at about the same time!
 
EDIT: Edited to include a link to Seths post for clarification.

John T


I think people read your point as being "this isn't a legitimate thing to charge for" (I don't know if you think that, but it came across a bit like that). I think it's totally fine for them to charge for optional extras like this, so I've no complaints. I'm just not currently likely to buy it.

If the soundcloud thing is really well implemented, that might edge it for me.

I don't think the modular Pro-Channel is legitimately chargeable even if the modules are. Nor do I think the export format to a specific notation program is.

The other aspect I have a problem with is value.  To me upgrading from the previous release and to get fully Expanded would cost £160.  I can buy Presonus Studio One Pro outright for a few quid more than that currently.  That would offer me more diversity of functionality over 8.5 than a move to a fully Expanded version of X1 would.

So it has all made me think carefully about moving forward.  I'd rather stay within Sonar rather than have a plethora of different apps, but I do want to make the best choice I can given how much time I spend looking at a DAW...

Why does everything have to be so complicated?

I'd like a better tube sat plug. Softtube's distortion algos are among the best, so I'll wait until Expanded is released and buy it for $49.

Easy as that!

Sven

John T

codamedia

John T

codamedia

If Cake is holding out on bug fixes to force me to upgrade to expanded,
 

They're not though. This has been established.

 
It's been established that they will provide a bug fix, but they have no idea when! Seths post #170 makes this very clear. Funny, those same fixes will be available if you upgrade - and they know exactly when that will be available!

This doesn't strike me as odd. Not everything happens at the same time. Nothing weird there. It's a small company that maintains a number of products.

 
I can't rely on Pro Channel at this time, so I simply do not use it - but I would like to. Why would I throw more money into it without knowing if the "fixes" are actually going to work.
 

Indeed, why would you? I would advise: don't.

 
 
If the fixes are stable enough to go in a new product - there is no reason why they can't release those as a quick fix at about the same time!

What an odd statement. Plainly there is a reason. We can infer this from the fact it's not being released at the same time.
 
Unless you're saying this is a deliberate and sinister ploy to get people who don't want the Expanded features to buy it for fixes.
 
That doesn't make sense to me. If that was the intention, then surely they wouldn't mention a forthcoming free fix at all. Indeed, never mind mention, they could just not do any more free fixes. But they are doing.
 

You make some good points John, and in no way am I trying to argue with you.
If you are familiar with my posts you'll know I am an advocate of X1, and in no way do I believe this is a sinister ploy by Cakewalk.
 
My argument is rather simple and is based around the fixes for the confirmed bugs within Pro Channel.

1. There is no priority (ie: no scheduled release in sight) in getting those fixes out to the users.
2. But, There is a priority in getting the "Expanded upgrade" (which includes the fixes) out for purchase.

Can you not see why I would be a little frustrated? I can't use Pro Channel right now! That fix would be really appreciated.
 
Heck - earlier in this post I asked Ryan to share the recipe for invoking this bug so I could avoid it!
I'd even be happy to give that a shot.

Bub... when my grand daughter sits beside me in my chair and I read this, or any forum, I read the posts... she looks at the avatars... I was able to scroll past yours last night before she saw it. It is a little akward to explain some things to your 8yo grandchild... or child. I mean, I ain't mad or anything but really?
 
Julien

I have read through 6 pages of this thread and it occurs to me that there are at least four kinds of people using X1
1: There is the professional who has real problems but endures, works around, or uses 8.5 while waiting... sometimes not so happy but making the best of it/
2: Professionals who are not seeming to have problems, or none that really aggrivate them. They make the best of it and work around things if they need to and go merrily along.
3: There are casual users who are happy with what they have and look forward to more and better and don't mind paying for new features.
4: There are casual users who will find something wrong with anything and everything and would not be happy if it were all free.
5? I'm sure I left someone out... sorry I didn't mean to.
 
I do think some have overlooked that Seth stated that X2 was not going to be released in a few months and that Cake is not even planning to announce a realase at NAMM and that al the "bug fixes" are going to be free. The charge is for new features. I read a lot into that.
 
Me, I am a lemming. I have enough stress from other things in life. I think that with Windows 7 64bit, the Octa-Capture (and other interfaces with good ASIO drivers), and X1... things are really mving in a god direction. I have high hopes about where CW is headed and I disagree with someone in an earlier post about the Prochannel... I think that given time and this direction change Cake my well compete with UA and Waves. UA will always be different, being HW based but for most of us I think the future is bright.
 
What a week this has been...
 
Julien

5? I'm sure I left someone out... sorry I didn't mean to.

5. Those that would swear something sounds 20-40% better just because it is on the PC bus. (even after they've realised that despite having turned it on it isn't even engaged)

6. Those that would eat a yard of marketing bull and complain that it was an inch too short.

HTH

jbow


I have read through 6 pages of this thread and it occurs to me that there are at least four kinds of people using X1
1: There is the professional who has real problems but endures, works around, or uses 8.5 while waiting... sometimes not so happy but making the best of it/
2: Professionals who are not seeming to have problems, or none that really aggrivate them. They make the best of it and work around things if they need to and go merrily along.
3: There are casual users who are happy with what they have and look forward to more and better and don't mind paying for new features.
4: There are casual users who will find something wrong with anything and everything and would not be happy if it were all free.
5? I'm sure I left someone out... sorry I didn't mean to.
 
I do think some have overlooked that Seth stated that X2 was not going to be released in a few months and that Cake is not even planning to announce a realase at NAMM and that al the "bug fixes" are going to be free. The charge is for new features. I read a lot into that.
 
Me, I am a lemming. I have enough stress from other things in life. I think that with Windows 7 64bit, the Octa-Capture (and other interfaces with good ASIO drivers), and X1... things are really mving in a god direction. I have high hopes about where CW is headed and I disagree with someone in an earlier post about the Prochannel... I think that given time and this direction change Cake my well compete with UA and Waves. UA will always be different, being HW based but for most of us I think the future is bright.
 
What a week this has been...
 
Julien

What an interesting post. I can't say I fully agree with you on the users types but I do see your points.

I also think the direction CW is going with X1 is great.  I was when the announcement was posted about the modules for PC a little shell shocked by it. I do see it as an outstanding approach to plugins that has been peculating in the old forum as a feature for the built in EQ.(users there wanted to replace it) Now CW has opened up the PC for future customization in keeping with that idea. I don't see how anyone can find any fault with that concept. Yet some have. Those that think its not a great idea can not participate.  Leave the PC as stock and forswear any add on. 

I do have some reservations but none that will prevent me from equipping myself with this expansion. I think in the end so will all the others. Its too good an idea to not take advantage of.

Bub

No audiyo, he's refering to me. At first I wasn't sure, but when he said, "Indeed. I've got better things to do than torture myself with stuff that doesn't work, even when I've not got anything to do." just to dig me some more, then I was sure. He knows I've been out of work for a while and just said that to hurt me.

No, slow down there cowboy. I have no idea that you've been out of work.

Plainly, there are few levels to which you will not stoop to slur someone's name. Out ****ing rageous.

My thought process exactly Bub, in regards to if I have to move on then I have enough good plug ins to decide what I want to do. But that would mean keeping my account open!

But for now I see no fault in X1

I studied the manual 6 months, before doing the work

I have tried countless times to get this simple idea over and it doesn't seem to have gotten through. X1 is a new program that requires study from the user.

Good points GIM.

jbow


Bub... when my grand daughter sits beside me in my chair and I read this, or any forum, I read the posts... she looks at the avatars... I was able to scroll past yours last night before she saw it. It is a little akward to explain some things to your 8yo grandchild... or child. I mean, I ain't mad or anything but really?
 
Julien

Not that it's any of my business.....  but at 8yo, it's past time of just looking at the pictures and to begin to comprehend what all those words mean.