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Re:Sonar X1 Expanded
2011/09/16 00:50:28
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Seth Perlstein [Cakewalk
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Expanded is really all about features, not about fixes, although it might contain a few. I'm really not sure on the timetable for patches down the road, so I can't really comment with certainty to your question.
SP
Thank you very much for the reply.
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Re:Sonar X1 Expanded
2011/09/16 00:53:59
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After reading this I am both curious and confused. Updates a,b,c (check) Upgrade to X3ta +2 @ 49.99 on the credit card inbetween b & c (check) Now, expanded comes out for my X1c Producer, including patches required, a new feature that was supposed to be in the DAW to begin with, and oh yeah, the Z3ta +2 upgrade I already paid 49.99 for for the added cost of 49.99.
So, how do you market/disount this addon for Producer users who have already invested/spent cash on 2/3 of the contents of Expanded?
Not being a dink about this, I just think brand loyalty should be recognized/rewarded to your client base without requiring a revolving credit card line to your shopping cart. I do not mind paying for what I play with, but I seriously do not believe in paying for duplication in a product line.
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Re:Sonar X1 Expanded
2011/09/16 00:56:50
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Zepheron
After reading this I am both curious and confused. Updates a,b,c (check) Upgrade to X3ta +2 @ 49.99 on the credit card inbetween b & c (check) Now, expanded comes out for my X1c Producer, including patches required, a new feature that was supposed to be in the DAW to begin with, and oh yeah, the Z3ta +2 upgrade I already paid 49.99 for for the added cost of 49.99.
So, how do you market/disount this addon for Producer users who have already invested/spent cash on 2/3 of the contents of Expanded?
Not being a dink about this, I just think brand loyalty should be recognized/rewarded to your client base without requiring a revolving credit card line to your shopping cart. I do not mind paying for what I play with, but I seriously do not believe in paying for duplication in a product line.
Zepheron, Z3ta+ 2 is not included in Expanded. It is included in the Production Suite which is a completely different bundle of X1 Producer, Expanded, Z+2, and the PC4K Gate. Also, we're not including any features in Expanded that were promised to be in X1 earlier. SP
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Re:Sonar X1 Expanded
2011/09/16 00:59:12
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I own both Reaper 4 and Sonar X1, and i have tracks a few songs in both i find Sonar a tad better overall. I started a project of audio wave files the other night and after setting up the tracks, busses, and effects in Reaper, i ended up having issues with the mix, and i had to stop it as it froze before i could save it, only 20 minutes in. I started over in Sonar, and the end result was better, i was able to setup that same basic setup, with very similar effects, and busses, and no lock up, and no freeze.
I have done parallel mixes now four times in both, and while Reaper did a very solid job i was more impressed with the Sonar mix overall.
I am not trying to start a Sonar vs Reaper discussion, just sayin'
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Re:Sonar X1 Expanded
2011/09/16 01:15:23
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Seth Perlstein [Cakewalk
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Zepheron
After reading this I am both curious and confused. Updates a,b,c (check) Upgrade to X3ta +2 @ 49.99 on the credit card inbetween b & c (check) Now, expanded comes out for my X1c Producer, including patches required, a new feature that was supposed to be in the DAW to begin with, and oh yeah, the Z3ta +2 upgrade I already paid 49.99 for for the added cost of 49.99.
So, how do you market/disount this addon for Producer users who have already invested/spent cash on 2/3 of the contents of Expanded?
Not being a dink about this, I just think brand loyalty should be recognized/rewarded to your client base without requiring a revolving credit card line to your shopping cart. I do not mind paying for what I play with, but I seriously do not believe in paying for duplication in a product line.
Zepheron,
Z3ta+ 2 is not included in Expanded. It is included in the Production Suite which is a completely different bundle of X1 Producer, Expanded, Z+2, and the PC4K Gate.
Also, we're not including any features in Expanded that were promised to be in X1 earlier.
SP
Seth, Thanks for the clarification about the details. I just read the hierarchy of the Producer Production Suite. I stand corrected about the items in each tier. However, considering the addons offered in production suite, I sure hope the upgrade amount from X1c producer ~> Production Suite is marginal at best for customers who have already invested every step of the way.
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Re:Sonar X1 Expanded
2011/09/16 01:19:06
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Coming late to the party... Regarding the notation expander: have any issues within Sonar's own notation function been fixed? For example: can Sonar now correctly notate triplets? pbognar, fyi, some very basic functions within Sonar's notation have been broken for many, many, years. Given that Sonar cannot correctly display triplets, there is good reason to wonder if it will export them correctly. I have to admit that I have been tempted to seriously explore a DAW that shall remain nameless (but have not done so) simply because there are many times it would be nice to have a workflow that required only one main program rather than two. The lack of attention to notation is the main reason I have stopped upgrading.
post edited by noldar12 - 2011/09/16 01:20:12
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Re:Sonar X1 Expanded
2011/09/16 01:22:00
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Zepheron
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Zepheron
After reading this I am both curious and confused. Updates a,b,c (check) Upgrade to X3ta +2 @ 49.99 on the credit card inbetween b & c (check) Now, expanded comes out for my X1c Producer, including patches required, a new feature that was supposed to be in the DAW to begin with, and oh yeah, the Z3ta +2 upgrade I already paid 49.99 for for the added cost of 49.99.
So, how do you market/disount this addon for Producer users who have already invested/spent cash on 2/3 of the contents of Expanded?
Not being a dink about this, I just think brand loyalty should be recognized/rewarded to your client base without requiring a revolving credit card line to your shopping cart. I do not mind paying for what I play with, but I seriously do not believe in paying for duplication in a product line.
Zepheron,
Z3ta+ 2 is not included in Expanded. It is included in the Production Suite which is a completely different bundle of X1 Producer, Expanded, Z+2, and the PC4K Gate.
Also, we're not including any features in Expanded that were promised to be in X1 earlier.
SP
Seth,
Thanks for the clarification about the details. I just read the hierarchy of the Producer Production Suite. I stand corrected about the items in each tier. However, considering the addons offered in production suite, I sure hope the upgrade amount from X1c producer ~> Production Suite is marginal at best for customers who have already invested every step of the way.
Zepheron, There actually won't be an upgrade path to the Production Suite. You can, of course, upgrade to the individual components for discounted prices to get everything in the Production Suite. Expanded is $49 for Producer owners and you can get the PC4K Gate for $30 more (normally $50 on its own) when you buy it as a bundle with Expanded. And, of course, Z+2 was $49 (discounted from $99) for all Producer owners. SP
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Re:Sonar X1 Expanded
2011/09/16 01:42:13
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Seth Perlstein [Cakewalk
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Zepheron
Seth Perlstein [Cakewalk
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Zepheron
After reading this I am both curious and confused. Updates a,b,c (check) Upgrade to X3ta +2 @ 49.99 on the credit card inbetween b & c (check) Now, expanded comes out for my X1c Producer, including patches required, a new feature that was supposed to be in the DAW to begin with, and oh yeah, the Z3ta +2 upgrade I already paid 49.99 for for the added cost of 49.99.
So, how do you market/disount this addon for Producer users who have already invested/spent cash on 2/3 of the contents of Expanded?
Not being a dink about this, I just think brand loyalty should be recognized/rewarded to your client base without requiring a revolving credit card line to your shopping cart. I do not mind paying for what I play with, but I seriously do not believe in paying for duplication in a product line.
Zepheron,
Z3ta+ 2 is not included in Expanded. It is included in the Production Suite which is a completely different bundle of X1 Producer, Expanded, Z+2, and the PC4K Gate.
Also, we're not including any features in Expanded that were promised to be in X1 earlier.
SP
Seth,
Thanks for the clarification about the details. I just read the hierarchy of the Producer Production Suite. I stand corrected about the items in each tier. However, considering the addons offered in production suite, I sure hope the upgrade amount from X1c producer ~> Production Suite is marginal at best for customers who have already invested every step of the way.
Zepheron,
There actually won't be an upgrade path to the Production Suite. You can, of course, upgrade to the individual components for discounted prices to get everything in the Production Suite. Expanded is $49 for Producer owners and you can get the PC4K Gate for $30 more (normally $50 on its own) when you buy it as a bundle with Expanded. And, of course, Z+2 was $49 (discounted from $99) for all Producer owners.
SP
Thank you, So to be clear in what I am hearing from you, any X1 Producer owner that already bought Z3ta+2, will be able to enjoy *(all)* of the features of the Production Suite for $79 with the purchase of (Extended & PC4K). And from your previous statements I presume development of fixes/updates/addons for Production Suite and X1c Producer holders will be released in paralell.
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Re:Sonar X1 Expanded
2011/09/16 02:38:33
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Man, you are earning a paycheck today Seth!! If you get up here anytime soon, you can have one or two of these on me!  Or whatever your favorite brew is. This just happens to be local and my favorite!
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dappa1
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Re:Sonar X1 Expanded
2011/09/16 02:39:46
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I totally get what Cakewalk are doing.
Let me explain I went into a store called PMT in Birmingham (first visit) guess what they sell in there. Yes you've guessed it everything Sonar v-studio, the controller 8.5 all on show and ready to be demo'ed. (including plug ins)
In general the plug in suites are very very good, I have metnioned this before Dim Pro is a well used product by the industry and is wildly recognised infact i would go as far as to say they are on of the most sort after plug ins in the industry.
In short they can make money...obviously you have to sell products to your own but there is a market that Cake can delve into and make its own (this equates to money)
Now marketing I do not think is there strong point but if they honed there skills and promoted more in shops they would make alot more than what they are currently doing.
Expansion paks opens the door for Cakewalk to take more time baking (AND HOW THEY NEED IT)
All in all it is a good idea to have these packs...maybe not with fixes, cos that feels like cheating abit. (Maybe they feel conscious of leaving you guys high and dry and not giving you a well earned fix so they bundled it hoping that you would stay loyal to them) or maybe it's greed either way.
Cakewalk will have to make sure that x1 is the fledgling they hoped it was when it came out by the end of it's cycle or else they will start going down the pan. I think they realise this and are trying to make amends.
Gapless audio I think would solve alot of issues. The way I see it is if the Audio engine is working properly it will be more stable less issues would arise. I would say it's similar to a car running around the city starting and stopping, turning, braking (yes wear and tear) but a motorway drive is almost as good as a service. Cakewalk need to turn it around but 1.5 years is not really long enough to make sure everything is tight and working. (but they need to eat too).
I think it is a good idea for them to make these moves and it is better than cake movng into hardware unless other companies can come on board with hardware. That means a sturdy product would need to be flagship to get that type of noteriety. Hence X1 moving to X2 (please don't call it X2) would be a huge mistake and a burden to it's customers.
Therefore the expansion pack though maybe not marketed properly would be a good business move for Cake.
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Re:Sonar X1 Expanded
2011/09/16 06:51:09
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So after 190 posts we get to this point:
There "might be some fixes" in Extended ) info from Seth but "it is really all about new features"
Even though those fixes will be available for those who get the Extended add-on that will be available in October there is no planned release schedule for current X1C users who do not buy the Extended add-on.
Is that like saying - We have some free fixes that are included in a new pay for it add-on. You'll get them some time but we havent got any idea when. So if you want them now you'd better get the pay for add-on. It was nice to see the acknowledment of the ProChannel bug/s but i take it that unless we buy Extended and the new plugin we wont be getting any of the fixes real soon.
OK I got it now.
Confusion ++ regarding folks like Keni and some others talking about a new plugin standard. I understand that ProChannel will be modular with the Extended add-on and there will be some special plugins available (only 1 at release) that will come over time that will be only available to be used in PC.
I don't rmember reading anything from the bakers that there was some new plugin standard involved in the new modular Pro channel.
As to XML: if the new function can only export the current Notation (with all its limitations) then can someone please help me understand how that is any help.
Funny you know. When I first started in on this thread I thought what a great idea and plan but as more detail has come out it's just seems less positive and a whole lot less clear what is happening with fixes. Ah well!
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Re:Sonar X1 Expanded
2011/09/16 06:53:14
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Jaysus. There's a free bug fix update coming, date yet to be confirmed. Switch to decaf or something, seriously.
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Re:Sonar X1 Expanded
2011/09/16 06:56:16
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John ever the optimist...
Can I ask John is your favourite song "it never rains in Southern california"?
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John T
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Re:Sonar X1 Expanded
2011/09/16 07:01:03
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Optimist? What are you on about? Cakewalk staff have said on this very forum in the last 24 hours that there's a free bug fix update coming, date to be confirmed.
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dappa1
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Re:Sonar X1 Expanded
2011/09/16 07:23:08
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I understand but, if someone wanted a bug fix that is available NOW they would have to pay...
When is the bug fix coming John???
For me it's not really a deal but for someone else it maybe...dear man have some consideration old chap!
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Re:Sonar X1 Expanded
2011/09/16 07:25:48
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Funny you know. When I first started in on this thread I thought what a great idea and plan but as more detail has come out it's just seems less positive and a whole lot less clear what is happening with fixes. Ah well! I'm starting to feel the same way. I am excited about Expanded, I will definitely buy it, but at the same time I am bothered by the notion that you have to have Producer to be able to purchase and use the features that do not rely on the Pro Channel. I'm just looking out for the Studio and Essential users. That's gotta suck for them. Maybe if they made two versions of Expanded: Expanded (Producer) and regular Expanded.. Also, It would be a very good gesture for Cakewalk to make available any bugfixes included in Expanded as quickfixes. This would raise customer confidence and show that the quickfix system is indeed here to stay. They may plan on doing this.. Let's hope. Anyway, I'm looking forward to seeing how things turn out.
post edited by audiyo - 2011/09/16 07:27:21
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Re:Sonar X1 Expanded
2011/09/16 07:30:15
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Peeps want that bugfix NOW!!!  Dang...where did that waaambulance get to now?? Let the bugfixes get tested out first...sheeesh. It's not the end of the universe here....
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Re:Sonar X1 Expanded
2011/09/16 07:57:54
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I personally was hinting at the idea of the bugfixes that will be part of Expanded becoming available as quickfixes around the same time Expanded comes out, no earlier. So they would be tested at that point. I'm not sure what others expect.
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Re:Sonar X1 Expanded
2011/09/16 08:06:00
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Sonar need to invent a bug detector in all there software so all you need to do is link your DAW to the website and the detection software will show you where your bugs are... Seriously tho it would be a waste of time having and expansion pack for Studio or for essential. Remember there is a trade off between PE and SE and Essential Whether there is a built in bug fix with Expanded or a built in bug fix for known bugs in your software of choice is irrelevant. Taking into consideration that the time spent baking will weed out alot of the problems if they have time to do test over a long period of time then just working on minor glitches... The question is how many lab rats will cakewalk want.
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Re:Sonar X1 Expanded
2011/09/16 08:17:33
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Dappa1
Sonar need to invent a bug detector in all there software so all you need to do is link your DAW to the website and the detection software will show you where your bugs are...
Seriously tho it would be a waste of time having and expansion pack for Studio or for essential.
Remember there is a trade off between PE and SE and Essential Indeed, there is a tradeoff, but up to this point that was pretty much just the pro channel and extra fx/instruments/libraries.. Now the browser is getting a Producer specific upgrade whereas that wasn't the case before. I guess this could be strategic in getting Studio and Essential users to upgrade.. I just feel bad for them is all. Owell.
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Re:Sonar X1 Expanded
2011/09/16 08:18:03
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Dappa1
I understand but, if someone wanted a bug fix that is available NOW they would have to pay...
When is the bug fix coming John???
For me it's not really a deal but for someone else it maybe...dear man have some consideration old chap!
I'm not anyone here's parents, and last I looked, it seemed everyone was a long way from being kids. If people can't control their BUT I WAN' IT NOW, WAAAAA impulses, then let me state for the record: not only do I not care about that, but it gives me quite some degree of bleak, admittedly misanthropic amusement. Seriously, they've said the thing's being worked on, they've said it's coming, they've said there'll be more info nearer the time. If that's not good enough for anyone, then they need to get a grip.
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Re:Sonar X1 Expanded
2011/09/16 08:29:54
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I mean, in this thread, someone says that they've already decided to buy it, before hearing any more details, but they're going to be really angry if it doesn't have X, Y and Z. That is INSANE. Said person could just wait for the details to find out if it's worth buying or not. It's hard to avoid the impression that some people just want to be angry.
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Re:Sonar X1 Expanded
2011/09/16 08:33:34
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Are you saying that the forum is full of cry babies and not producers??? Dear Chap please explain???? Only Kidding John T I think it is a good sign that Cake have actually sat down been a bit sober minded and have decided to do something. This is actually a small big step in the right direction. Their pricing point is spot on and I hope that they will be working alongside other platforms not just Cake products. There is no obligation to buy a bug fix as has been stated and as My Dear Chap John T has explained in his best authoritarian teachers voice.
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Re:Sonar X1 Expanded
2011/09/16 09:00:09
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Mudgel said: Is that like saying - We have some free fixes that are included in a new pay for it add-on. You'll get them some time but we havent got any idea when. So if you want them now you'd better get the pay for add-on. It was nice to see the acknowledment of the ProChannel bug/s but i take it that unless we buy Extended and the new plugin we wont be getting any of the fixes real soon.
Thanks for telling it like it is Mike! I've been a happy X1 user but I cannot rely on the Pro Channel so I can't use it. If Cake is holding out on bug fixes to force me to upgrade to expanded, maybe my upgrade money will move a different direction instead. Presonus Studio One version 2 is coming out real soon. EDIT: I don't expect a bug fix sooner than the release of Expanded, but if it is tested and stable enough to be in expanded - those fixes should be available as a quickfix at about the same time!
post edited by codamedia - 2011/09/16 09:06:19
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Re:Sonar X1 Expanded
2011/09/16 09:01:25
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John T
I mean, in this thread, someone says that they've already decided to buy it, before hearing any more details, but they're going to be really angry if it doesn't have X, Y and Z. That is INSANE. Said person could just wait for the details to find out if it's worth buying or not. It's hard to avoid the impression that some people just want to be angry.
Man, you said it. Also, one user that has been crying about X1 having bugs, even after X1c (and has constantly complained about petty things and wrote X1 doesn't work for him), has written he's gonna buy Expanded. Wow!! Man, go and figure that one out! The next thing after he buys Expanded, he'll be crying about his dissastisfaction, again. You're right. The impression is that some users seem to just want to be angry about X1. It's a darn shame.
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Re:Sonar X1 Expanded
2011/09/16 09:05:09
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I reached the conclusion that several forumites on here are insane a long time ago, myself included, if only for indulging myself and replying to some of the insanity. 
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Re:Sonar X1 Expanded
2011/09/16 09:06:26
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codamedia
If Cake is holding out on bug fixes to force me to upgrade to expanded,
They're not though. This has been established.
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Re:Sonar X1 Expanded
2011/09/16 09:08:46
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I think that Roland is on a sound strategy actually. I personally like an ala carte approach. With this offer, I like the expanded browser. I don't need another Tube/Tape/Warmer-Upper module or another Gate/Expander - especially if it can't be used in another DAW platform. The notation upgrade doesn't interest me if it doesn't allow me an easier way to input midi performance data via standard musical notation methods.
I'll have to investigate to see if I can buy the Browser update separately and I am glad to see that bug fixes are on going.
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Re:Sonar X1 Expanded
2011/09/16 09:11:01
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John T
I mean, in this thread, someone says that they've already decided to buy it, before hearing any more details, but they're going to be really angry if it doesn't have X, Y and Z. That is INSANE. Said person could just wait for the details to find out if it's worth buying or not. It's hard to avoid the impression that some people just want to be angry.
Man, you said it. Also, one user that has been crying about X1 having bugs, even after X1c (and has constantly complained about petty things and wrote X1 doesn't work for him), has written he's gonna buy Expanded. Wow!! Man, go and figure that one out! The next thing after he buys Expanded, he'll be crying about his dissastisfaction, again.
You're right. The impression is that some users seem to just want to be angry about X1. It's a darn shame.
Here's an irony for you. Having looked at what's in Expanded, I think it's all nice and everything, but I'm not going to get it right away, if at all. There's nothing in there that I especially need to get my work done. I might change my mind as more details emerge. Yet apparently, according to people who are going to buy it whether it's any use to them or not, I'm the fanboy. Riddle me that one.
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Re:Sonar X1 Expanded
2011/09/16 09:12:52
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John T
I mean, in this thread, someone says that they've already decided to buy it, before hearing any more details, but they're going to be really angry if it doesn't have X, Y and Z. That is INSANE. Said person could just wait for the details to find out if it's worth buying or not. It's hard to avoid the impression that some people just want to be angry.
Hopefully you're not referring to me. I'm assuming you might be because in a recent post I said I would buy it. Well, to be honest that was a bit of an enthusiastic reaction due to the features that have been shown and explained thus far. I don't know for sure that I will buy it. I simply doubt that I won't. :) I guess I should have said: "I will buy this, if it's as cool as it sounds." Owell.. Bla bla bla.. To me it's more about: Will it have issues? Will there be a demo? I guess we could take it to the level of "If you don't test it first, regardless of what the details are, you're insane for buying it." That makes more sense to me. Although demoing it probably won't be possible.. Relying on what others say may be the only option. For $50 bucks and considering the issues I'm having with the Pro Channel as it is, I may risk it.. Then again I might wait.. We'll see.. Edit: Wording..
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