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Re:Sound Quality of Sonar X1
2012/03/12 19:39:38
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Re:Sound Quality of Sonar X1
2012/03/12 19:42:06
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Is this the right fred to increase my post count without anyone noticing?
It's beginning to look like it, roight?
Looks that way Bapu. Not worth the time nor arguing when some folks looking to achieve platinum member status on the forums. 
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Re:Sound Quality of Sonar X1
2012/03/12 19:43:34
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Looks like the Langoliers have moved into this thread. Just a matter of time.
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Re:Sound Quality of Sonar X1
2012/03/12 20:05:09
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Looks like The CHB have moved into this thread. Just a matter of time.
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Re:Sound Quality of Sonar X1
2012/03/12 20:12:27
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This sure was an epic thread. The funny thing is there is a very similar holy war going on in gearslutz right now. This one actually came to a logical conclusion (or maybe not....it may never die) based on real technical explanations.
I am a real fan of Motown so it was exciting to learn that Sonar is apparently well suited to that ;-)
Maybe we should start discussing the Nyquist Theorem and the 192 Khz sampling rate nonsense just to get this topic up over 20 pages and 1000 replies.
Much credit to the OP for being wrong and dealing with it gracefully and constructively. This happens way too infrequently on the internet.
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Re:Sound Quality of Sonar X1
2012/03/12 20:30:15
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Oversampling has got to be good for at least another ten pages. I never record over 44.1 myself.
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Re:Sound Quality of Sonar X1
2012/03/12 20:40:33
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44.1 is fine for rock music, but you need to go to 96 for dubstep. You can go to about 11 for the Motown sound though.
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Re:Sound Quality of Sonar X1
2012/03/12 20:40:50
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Come on, work with me here.
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Re:Sound Quality of Sonar X1
2012/03/12 20:57:45
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I just got home and really hoped this horse was 10 feet under but no.... it continues to plot on and on... 
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Re:Sound Quality of Sonar X1
2012/03/12 21:21:17
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John T
44.1 is fine for rock music, but you need to go to 96 for dubstep. You can go to about 11 for the Motown sound though.
It works better in Brostep....
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Re:Sound Quality of Sonar X1
2012/03/12 21:24:12
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The space you have will always be exceeded in direct proportion to the amount of stuff you have...Thornton's Postulate. Bushpianos
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Re:Sound Quality of Sonar X1
2012/03/12 21:50:06
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There'll be a lot of back ends of horses in the film. All digitally recorded in beautiful 64 bits!
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Re:Sound Quality of Sonar X1
2012/03/12 21:52:50
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OK getting back on topic here. What about gnat farts, 64 bit double precision audio engine and unwanted low end percussion sounds. Doesn't happen in 32 bits. EDIT: I can no longer post on the CW forums. <- I like my current post count and don't want to screw it up. So, anything I ever post from now on will be placed in this thread and this post... So if you ever want to see if I have contributed to your thread, you'll have to come here to see.
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Re:Sound Quality of Sonar X1
2012/03/12 21:58:44
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kevo
OK getting back on topic here.
What about gnat farts, 64 bit double precision audio engine and
unwanted low end percussion sounds.
Doesn't happen in 32 bits.
Am I to assume the gnats farts have previously had their surface tension removed. You'll need to check that first.
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Re:Sound Quality of Sonar X1
2012/03/12 22:03:15
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John T
44.1 is fine for rock music, but you need to go to 96 for dubstep. You can go to about 11 for the Motown sound though.
The 'British' sound comes in at 40.5 basically because if you try and sustain 44.1 it will start overheat and leak oil everywhere.
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Re:Sound Quality of Sonar X1
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Re:Sound Quality of Sonar X1
2012/03/13 02:35:48
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inaheartbeat
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Much credit to the OP for being wrong and dealing with it gracefully and constructively. ...
Ken
But the OP wasn't wrong was he, he said sonar sounded significantly different compared to the other DAWS when he plugged in and played something through Amplitube. And it did, but only until someone figured out why. Like you say though, much credit to the OP for not being discouraged and just plugging on through all the way. Might have helped if he'd had time to post samples a bit sooner :-) Much ado about nothing then ?. But interesting ... to a point. Cheers - Cliff
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Re:Sound Quality of Sonar X1
2012/03/13 02:48:23
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Combined with this thread and info found in the various links from it, can someone please tell me why I'm recording at 48/24? Should I get all radical and make my new default 44/24? Is there any advantage at all to one over the other. Hang on did I just make my first serious post in this thread, and it's only taken 19 pages. Having said that I'm only 2 pages from another "flogging a dead horse" smiley, if for no other reason than I said I would 4 pages ago. (Psst- There you go John T - that should get a few pages of argument going)
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Re:Sound Quality of Sonar X1
2012/03/13 03:39:32
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19 pages and still nobody can explain why Phonar sounds different to all the others... 
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Re:Sound Quality of Sonar X1
2012/03/13 03:58:09
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I'm a little behind on this thread. Can someone post a summation?
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Re:Sound Quality of Sonar X1
2012/03/13 04:04:24
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I'm a little behind on this thread. Can someone post a summation?
Same here. For the record, I have had some ppl that use other DAWs (Logic/Pro Tools) tell me that they notice that people who use Sonar seem to have a "darker" sound. And I have a friend who is a die hard Cubendo user and I notice that his sound seems to be a bit brighter as well. Maybe it's just placebo effect. Not sure.
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Re:Sound Quality of Sonar X1
2012/03/13 04:31:13
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Long story short, the OP had his track interleave set to mono - that's the reason amplitube sounded different in Sonar. Hit the button and "hey presto" perfection. Along the way, it was pretty much agreed that all DAWs sound the same and differences are in mixing choices, plug-in choices, etc. But now I've said that, someone is bound to chime in and disagree with the paragraph above. And this whole thread will loop back on itself  Eventually it will create a rift in the space-time continuum and we'll all be sucked into a black hole. This will put an end to the need for compressors and the loudness wars will be finally laid to rest.
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Re:Sound Quality of Sonar X1
2012/03/13 04:46:39
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Summation - All DAWs are equal but some are more equal than others.
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Re:Sound Quality of Sonar X1
2012/03/13 05:19:08
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Silicon Audio
Long story short, the OP had his track interleave set to mono - that's the reason amplitube sounded different in Sonar. Hit the button and "hey presto" perfection.
Along the way, it was pretty much agreed that all DAWs sound the same and differences are in mixing choices, plug-in choices, etc.
But now I've said that, someone is bound to chime in and disagree with the paragraph above. And this whole thread will loop back on itself Eventually it will create a rift in the space-time continuum and we'll all be sucked into a black hole. This will put an end to the need for compressors and the loudness wars will be finally laid to rest.
Ha, classic! Any chance the OP could rename the thread to something more meanginful? "Does interleave change the sound?"
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Re:Sound Quality of Sonar X1
2012/03/13 05:55:03
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Summation(s) Rambo uses Sonar Despite what you want to hear, all DAWs sound the same Two horses were beaten to death Some of the buttons in X1 do "things" to the sound Great threads really don't die. I think I covered it all. EDIT: OMG I forgot the most important bit of all........ Someone was wrong on the internet........
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Re:Sound Quality of Sonar X1
2012/03/13 06:31:48
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I know it sounds funny, but I just can't work out why man. And I'll find out why tomorrow. Seems to me you know that I've done all I can. You see my other DAWs don't sound so hollow.
Ooh, that's why I'm 'leaving. Interleaving mono and stereo. That's why I'm 'leaving. Interleaving like I am a pro
Why in the world would anybody put FX chains on me? I've paid my upgrade fees to make it. Everybody wants me to be producer, guiatrist and daddy. I'm not happy when I try to bake it!
No! Ooh, that's why I'm 'leaving. Interleaving like I'm a clown. That's why I'm 'leaving. Interleaving every track now.
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Re:Sound Quality of Sonar X1
2012/03/13 06:35:30
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Re:Sound Quality of Sonar X1
2012/03/13 06:38:54
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Anyway: recording bit depth 24: worth it. Any higher: not worth it. Sampling rate higher than 44.1: not worth it. Come on, surely I can get an argument out of that (it's actually what I think, so I'm not *just* trolling).
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Re:Sound Quality of Sonar X1
2012/03/13 06:50:22
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We're going to need a bigger fred.
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Re:Sound Quality of Sonar X1
2012/03/13 06:50:30
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John T
Anyway: recording bit depth 24: worth it. Any higher: not worth it. Sampling rate higher than 44.1: not worth it. Come on, surely I can get an argument out of that (it's actually what I think, so I'm not *just* trolling).
Can we just violently agree on this for 3 pages or so ;-) On a separate note, for those that wanted a summary several excellent ones were given but part of the attraction of this thread were some of the "interesting" comments made about Sonar's sound compared to other DAWs. My favorite was the person that claimed that Sonar could only be good for Motown. High comedy. Ken
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